13 Jan
2002
13 Jan
'02
9:03 a.m.
Hello,
The Local GoodWill has a fairly nice Mac IIci. I've done some research
on the Low End Mac web site, but am still undecided if I should buy it.
Low End Mac says it is a "Mac Best Buy", meaning that it is one of the
models to buy, instead of avoid. Some models are best avoided because
of compromises in design or limited expandability.
It is uses a 25mhz Motorola 68030 processor. What would be the
approximate Intel/PC equivalent? The 386DX-25? The 486DX-25? faster,
slower, what? I don't have much Mac experience at all. I own a Plus,
but after cleaning it, I haven't done anything with it but let it sit,
mainly because of the silly 800K drives.
It has a Radius video card, but unfortunately, the Radius monitor got
sold separately. It was a "Pivot" monitor. I pulled the monitor of the
nonfunctioning IIcx and the ci boots fine, and is running System 7.1.
How much should I offer?
Thanks,
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
13 Jan
13 Jan
9:24 a.m.
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Hello,
The Local GoodWill has a fairly nice Mac IIci. I've done some research
on the Low End Mac web site, but am still undecided if I should buy it.
Low End Mac says it is a "Mac Best Buy", meaning that it is one of the
models to buy, instead of avoid. Some models are best avoided because
of compromises in design or limited expandability.
It is uses a 25mhz Motorola 68030 processor. What would be the
approximate Intel/PC equivalent? The 386DX-25? The 486DX-25? faster,
slower, what? I don't have much Mac experience at all. I own a Plus,
but after cleaning it, I haven't done anything with it but let it sit,
mainly because of the silly 800K drives.
I would say about a 386DX, and it'll do about 6MIPS max (one instruction
per four clock cycles on the 68030 IIRC from my Mac IIsi). (If desired)
you can put an older verions of MkLinux or linux-m68k on it (I used the
m68k Debian port).
It has a Radius video card, but unfortunately, the Radius monitor got
sold separately. It was a "Pivot" monitor. I pulled the monitor of the
nonfunctioning IIcx and the ci boots fine, and is running System 7.1.
How much should I offer?
I got mine for free from a dumpster, but if it works, about $10-$20 would
be a reasonable price, depending on how much you want to spend, and the
size of its hdd, memory, any extra cards in it, etc. I still have some 1M
30pin MAC-blessed SIMMs laying around here, email me off-list if you want
any.
-- Pat
West Lafayette, IN, USA
Thanks,
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
10:04 a.m.
Pat Finnegan wrote:
I would say about a 386DX, and it'll do about
6MIPS max (one instruction
per four clock cycles on the 68030 IIRC from my Mac IIsi). (If desired)
you can put an older verions of MkLinux or linux-m68k on it (I used the
m68k Debian port).
How about BSD? I'll probably use the Mac OS, but I wonder about other
options.
I got mine for free from a dumpster, but if it works,
about $10-$20 would
be a reasonable price, depending on how much you want to spend, and the
size of its hdd, memory, any extra cards in it, etc. I still have some 1M
30pin MAC-blessed SIMMs laying around here, email me off-list if you want
any.
Can I use my 9 pin parity simms from my old 386? The parity bits are
just ignored right? If so, then I can drop 32megs into it.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
6 p.m.
At 04:04 PM 13/01/2002 -0500, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Pat Finnegan wrote:
Does anyone know what the maximum memory you can put in a IIcx (I suspect that
the answer is the same as a IIci). I've got a IIcx that I paid far too much for
when it was new (say $10K) and it's only got 8Mb. If I could upgrade to
more memory
it might be worthwhile turning it on again and running A/UX (this
corresponded to
about $3K of the cost with another $2.5K being the 300Mb SCSI disk drive).
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au
| "If God had wanted soccer played in the
| air, the sky would be painted green"
I got mine for free from a dumpster, but if it
works, about $10-$20 would
be a reasonable price, depending on how much you want to spend, and the
size of its hdd, memory, any extra cards in it, etc. I still have some 1M
30pin MAC-blessed SIMMs laying around here, email me off-list if you want
any.
Can I use my 9 pin parity simms from my old 386? The parity bits are
just ignored right? If so, then I can drop 32megs into it. 
10:23 a.m.
On 2002.01.13 21:24 Pat Finnegan wrote:
(If desired)
you can put an older verions of MkLinux or linux-m68k on it
(I used the m68k Debian port).
NetBSD mac68k will run fine on it. (At least it runs
fine on my IIci.
:-) )
Perhaps A/UX is an other option.
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
10:49 a.m.
(If desired)
you can put an older verions of MkLinux or linux-m68k on it
(I used the m68k Debian port).
NetBSD mac68k will run fine on it. (At least it
runs fine on my IIci.
:-) )
Perhaps A/UX is an other option. 
12:09 p.m.
On Sun, 2002-01-13 at 21:49, Eric Dittman wrote:
A/UX will run on a IIci. Ahh, but where can you get it from nowadays? Apple will
sell it to you, for $BIGNUM.
Alex
(If desired)
you can put an older verions of MkLinux or linux-m68k on it
(I used the m68k Debian port).
NetBSD mac68k will run fine on it. (At least it
runs fine on my IIci.
:-) )
Perhaps A/UX is an other option.
12:21 p.m.
(If desired)
you can put an older verions of MkLinux or linux-m68k on it
(I used the m68k Debian port).
NetBSD mac68k will run fine on it. (At least it
runs fine on my IIci.
:-) )
Perhaps A/UX is an other option. 
12:55 p.m.
On 13 Jan 2002 23:09:39 +0000
Alex White <meltlet(a)fastmail.fm> wrote:
On Sun, 2002-01-13 at 21:49, Eric Dittman wrote:
A/UX will run on a IIci. Ahh, but where can you get it from nowadays?
Google is your friend:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=download+image+group%3Acomp.unix.aux
You should find the answer in one of the posts on the first page Google comes up with.
;-)
(If desired)
you can put an older verions of MkLinux or linux-m68k on it
(I used the m68k Debian port).
NetBSD mac68k will run fine on it. (At least it
runs fine on my
IIci.:-) )
Perhaps A/UX is an other option. Apple will sell it to you,
for $BIGNUM.
I tried and failed miserably.
Back to lurking,
Cheers
Andreas
7:24 p.m.
But A/UX sucks humongous hairy sweaty donkey balls.
Peace... Sridhar
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Eric Dittman wrote:
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:49:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net>
Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Mac IIci
A/UX will run on a IIci.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
(If
desired)
you can put an older verions of MkLinux or linux-m68k on it
(I used the m68k Debian port).
NetBSD mac68k will run fine on it. (At least it
runs fine on my IIci.
:-) )
Perhaps A/UX is an other option. 
9:41 a.m.
It is uses a 25mhz Motorola 68030 processor. What
would be the
approximate Intel/PC equivalent? The 386DX-25? The 486DX-25? faster,
slower, what? I don't have much Mac experience at all. I own a Plus,
but after cleaning it, I haven't done anything with it but let it sit,
mainly because of the silly 800K drives.
IIRC, the general rule of thumb is:
8086 -- 68000
80286 -- 68020
80386 -- 68030
80486 -- 68040
It's once you start talking about Pentium and higher vs. PPC 601 and higher
than things start getting confusing.
It has a Radius video card, but unfortunately, the
Radius monitor got
sold separately. It was a "Pivot" monitor. I pulled the monitor of the
nonfunctioning IIcx and the ci boots fine, and is running System 7.1.
How much should I offer?
Very little. While it's still a good system, you really need old copies of
software. I've got an SE/30 that's got MS Word 5.1 on it, and it makes a
great word processor. Far better than Windows could do on a simular system.
Zane
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+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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10:01 a.m.
"Zane H. Healy" wrote:
IIRC, the general rule of thumb is:
8086 -- 68000
80286 -- 68020
80386 -- 68030
80486 -- 68040
Okay that is what I thought, but I figured I'd ask anyway. Sometimes
things aren't as simple as they look, and sometimes they are :-)
Very little. While it's still a good system, you
really need old copies of
software. I've got an SE/30 that's got MS Word 5.1 on it, and it makes a
great word processor. Far better than Windows could do on a simular system.
I'll probably have to negotiate then. They seem to wan to sell complete
systems for too much. I guess they look more impressive, so they must
be worth more :-)
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
5:26 p.m.
"Zane H. Healy" wrote:
Yes, and the 80186 -- 68010.
Both existed but were not popular in many systems. Both equally
quite rare in that regard.
Anyway, I added them for completeness.
Every Mac system was superior to its Windows conterpart from that above list of
microprocessor equivalents.
Speaking of Macs, I am responding from my Mac G3 system that is now on-line.
I finally have my PC, laptop PC and Mac on-line using DSL modem and router.
Next is a Linux box and I'll be all set for awhile.
Eric
It is uses a
25mhz Motorola 68030 processor. What would be the
approximate Intel/PC equivalent? The 386DX-25? The 486DX-25? faster,
slower, what? I don't have much Mac experience at all. I own a Plus,
but after cleaning it, I haven't done anything with it but let it sit,
mainly because of the silly 800K drives.
IIRC, the general rule of thumb is:
8086 -- 68000
80286 -- 68020
80386 -- 68030
80486 -- 68040
It's once you start talking about Pentium and higher vs. PPC 601 and higher
than things start getting confusing.
You mean it wasn't confusing already, and the PPC vs. Pentium simply isn't
MORE confusing? :)
It has a Radius video card, but unfortunately, the
Radius monitor got
sold separately. It was a "Pivot" monitor. I pulled the monitor of the
nonfunctioning IIcx and the ci boots fine, and is running System 7.1.
How much should I offer?
Very little. While it's still a good system, you really need old copies of
software. I've got an SE/30 that's got MS Word 5.1 on it, and it makes a
great word processor. Far better than Windows could do on a simular system.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
6:35 p.m.
New subject: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)
--- Eric Chomko <pne.chomko(a)verizon.net> wrote:
Yes, and the 80186 -- 68010.
Both existed but were not popular in many systems. Both equally
quite rare in that regard.
I suppose the 68000 and 68020 were bigger sellers than the 68010, but
they were a favorite "upgrade" for the Amiga 1000 owner who wanted
to squeeze another 3% out of their box ("loop mode" one-instruction
cache accounted for most of that). They appeared in early UNIX
workstations (NCR Tower, perhaps?) because they could reasonably
handle demand-paged virtual memory (much cleaner than some of the
schemes for the 68000 itself).
I've always liked the 68010. Got a few, 'cause we put them into the
final rev of COMBOARD, the VAXBI COMBOARD.
-ethan
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7:24 p.m.
New subject: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)
--- Eric Chomko <pne.chomko(a)verizon.net> wrote:
Apparently all the original Sun Microsystems Sun 1's were upgraded by
Sun with 68010's, and my Sun 1/100U's have 68010 of course. They
only made about 600 units of the Sun 1 series though, since they were
already developing the Sun 2 series at the time.
-Lawrence LeMay
Yes, and the 80186 -- 68010.
Both existed but were not popular in many systems. Both equally
quite rare in that regard.
I suppose the 68000 and 68020 were bigger sellers than the 68010, but
they were a favorite "upgrade" for the Amiga 1000 owner who wanted
to squeeze another 3% out of their box ("loop mode" one-instruction
cache accounted for most of that). They appeared in early UNIX
workstations (NCR Tower, perhaps?) because they could reasonably
handle demand-paged virtual memory (much cleaner than some of the
schemes for the 68000 itself).
I've always liked the 68010. Got a few, 'cause we put them into the
final rev of COMBOARD, the VAXBI COMBOARD.
-ethan
7:48 p.m.
New subject: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
Apparently all the original Sun Microsystems Sun
1's were upgraded by
Sun with 68010's, and my Sun 1/100U's have 68010 of course. They
only made about 600 units of the Sun 1 series though, since they were
already developing the Sun 2 series at the time.
Dang, *envy*. I've lusted in my heart after a Sun 1 for a long time. I
support serious (modern) Sun hardware for a living, and thus Sun history
is of particular interest...
ok
r.
8 p.m.
New subject: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)
--- "r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Lawrence LeMay wrote:
Me, too. By the time I first touched a Sun in college, the Sun3s were
what they were buying. My personal first was a SPARCstation1 I picked
up for about $800 in 1993 or 1994. Dropped much more than that on RAM
and a 1.8Gb SCSI drive to make it "useful". Through rolling upgrades,
that corner of the room is now occupied by a SPARC5 w/256Mb of RAM
and about 20Gb of SCSI disk that cost much less than any single component
of its ancestor. Ah... progress...
My oldest Sun at the moment is a Sun3/50. I probably won't be able
to top that for a long time.
-ethan
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...They only made about 600 units of the Sun 1
series though, since
they were already developing the Sun 2 series at the time.
Dang, *envy*. I've lusted in my heart after a Sun 1 for a long time. I
support serious (modern) Sun hardware for a living, and thus Sun history
is of particular interest... 
14 Jan
14 Jan
8:41 a.m.
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10:09 a.m.
New subject: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)
I do believe the main reason for the 68010's appearance in what was previously
a number of 68000 applications was that it could support virtual memory, while
that was awkward on a 68K.
The early AT&T 7300's (?) which a number of my friends bought, but I didn't
(don't ask me why), used the 68010 even though they had rather limited HDD
resources. It would have worked better with two drives, methinks.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)
I suppose the
68000 and 68020 were bigger sellers than the 68010, but
they were a favorite "upgrade" for the Amiga 1000 owner who wanted
to squeeze another 3% out of their box ("loop mode" one-instruction
cache accounted for most of that). They appeared in early UNIX
workstations (NCR Tower, perhaps?) because they could reasonably
Also Torch XXX, some Suns, some HP9000 series, etc... They're not that
rare in my experience...
-tony
11:26 a.m.
New subject: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)
--- Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote:
I do believe the main reason for the 68010's
appearance in what was
previously a number of 68000 applications was that it could support
virtual memory, while that was awkward on a 68K.
That's my recollection as well.
The early AT&T 7300's (?) which a number of my
friends bought, but I
didn't (don't ask me why),
We had a large 7300 club here - lots of Bell Labs guys bought them at
employee rates. We built a 70-computer UUCP phone tree for e-mail and
Usenet - fed in/out through AT&T (...!ihnp4!cbosgd..., later cbatt),
Ohio State (osu-cis and giza) and finally through MorningStar before
it went to PPP and the modern 'net.
used the 68010 even though they had rather limited
HDD
resources. It would have worked better with two drives, methinks.
I know that some model of UNIX PC had room for a full-height MFM drive
under a hump (most only had room for a half-height). It was too little,
too late, but you could drop a lot more than 40Mb inside - maybe 80Mb
or more! :-)
-ethan
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11:56 a.m.
New subject: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)
--- Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> wrote:
I do believe the main reason for the 68010's
appearance in what was
previously a number of 68000 applications was that it could support
virtual memory, while that was awkward on a 68K.
Yes, I seem to remember that with the 68000, there was an interaction with
the Bus Fault signal that prevented you from attaching any kind of memory
management unit. Something to do with what state got saved on the stack;
I don't remember the exact details. I remember helping design a discrete-logic
MMU for the machine I was working on at the time, and we had to wait for the
68010 to come out before we could use it.
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11:53 a.m.
New subject: [OT] 5" and 6" CRTs needed...
I'm in dire need of a couple VGA 5" and 6" displays. Mono is
acceptable. I'd like to find them used (but not badly burned) since the
cost for them new is pretty high. If you've got some or have a source,
please let me know off list. (I doubt this would interest anyone else)
Thanks!
g.
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11:56 a.m.
New subject: [OT] 5" and 6" CRTs needed...
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Gene Buckle wrote:
I'm in dire need of a couple VGA 5" and
6" displays. Mono is
acceptable. I'd like to find them used (but not badly burned) since
the cost for them new is pretty high. If you've got some or have a
source, please let me know off list. (I doubt this would interest
anyone else)
Actually, this thread is more on topic then not.
IBM made several models of color VGA monitors for the PS/2 line that fit
your description. If you find one of these, it would likely need repairs
to get it back into top shape, due to its age. The only other small VGA
monitors I've seen that were this size have been open frame. Typically
these can be found for around $20-50 new from surplus dealers.
-Toth
1:12 p.m.
New subject: [OT] 5" and 6" CRTs needed...
I'm in
dire need of a couple VGA 5" and 6" displays. Mono is
acceptable. I'd like to find them used (but not badly burned) since
the cost for them new is pretty high. If you've got some or have a
source, please let me know off list. (I doubt this would interest
anyone else)
Actually, this thread is more on topic then not.
IBM made several models of color VGA monitors for the PS/2 line that fit
your description. If you find one of these, it would likely need repairs
to get it back into top shape, due to its age. The only other small VGA
monitors I've seen that were this size have been open frame. Typically
these can be found for around $20-50 new from surplus dealers.
12:03 p.m.
New subject: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)
It was thus said that the Great Richard Erlacher once stated:
I do believe the main reason for the 68010's appearance in what was previously
a number of 68000 applications was that it could support virtual memory, while
that was awkward on a 68K.
That is correct. The 68000 could not restart a faulted instruction since
not enough information was saved. The 68010 saved more of the internal
state of the CPU to restart the faulting instruction (and I think the saved
program counter changed too---mostly from past the faulting instruction to
the actual faulting instruction).
-spc (And they did speed up certain operations on the 68010)
13 Jan
13 Jan
10:16 a.m.
You save a few CPU cycles (16%, I seem to recall) by using (almost any)
video card instead of using the on-board video. You can usually find an
accelerator card (030 at 33MHz or 040) or a cache card on eBay for a few $.
System 7.1 is about right for this system, or you could run OpenBSD or
NetBSD.
Dave
Chad Fernandez wrote:
Hello,
The Local GoodWill has a fairly nice Mac IIci. I've done some research
on the Low End Mac web site, but am still undecided if I should buy it.
Low End Mac says it is a "Mac Best Buy", meaning that it is one of the
models to buy, instead of avoid. Some models are best avoided because
of compromises in design or limited expandability.
It is uses a 25mhz Motorola 68030 processor. What would be the
approximate Intel/PC equivalent? The 386DX-25? The 486DX-25? faster,
slower, what? I don't have much Mac experience at all. I own a Plus,
but after cleaning it, I haven't done anything with it but let it sit,
mainly because of the silly 800K drives.
It has a Radius video card, but unfortunately, the Radius monitor got
sold separately. It was a "Pivot" monitor. I pulled the monitor of the
nonfunctioning IIcx and the ci boots fine, and is running System 7.1.
How much should I offer?
Thanks,
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
--
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djenner(a)earthlink.net
9:39 a.m.
While others talk about their IIci boxens,
I have one too along with other Macs but I'm not trusting that
Wordperfect 3.5e bec it's doing bus type 3 errors on certain docs
(their license document will suffice that).
Long search turned up no fixes for 3.5e. Anybody else do have good
set of files for this patch or fixes?
On video side, Is there's non-"green on sync" nubus video card
permittin use of adapter and regular peecee monitors? I'm
talking about these monitors without green on sync feature. Unless
there's a good solution to constructing one. Part about adapter
cable already constructed and in use with other Macs and peecee
monitors but not for Mac II series video type.
Cheers,
Wizard
3:27 p.m.
New subject: Prophylactic replacement of electrolytic capacitors?
Old computer power supplies generally have big old electrolytic capacitors. When these go
bad, they can
cause real problems, and damage other components.
The literature indicates that many of these only have a working life of 2000 hrs., or a
shelf life of ten years.
Obviously, this will be exceeded in old computers.
So, should these be replaced if they exceed a certain age? For the screw terminal type,
is it necessary to
use "computer grade" capacitors, which can be fairly expensive? If one
can't find the right value in the right
size package, how much extra capacitance is acceptable? And any higher working voltage
rating is OK?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Louis
14 Jan
14 Jan
4:39 a.m.
New subject: Prophylactic replacement of electrolytic capacitors?
Louis Schulman wrote:
Old computer power supplies generally have big old electrolytic capacitors. When these
go bad, they can
cause real problems, and damage other components.
The literature indicates that many of these only have a working life of 2000 hrs., or a
shelf life of ten years.
Obviously, this will be exceeded in old computers.
So, should these be replaced if they exceed a certain age? For the screw terminal type,
is it necessary to
use "computer grade" capacitors, which can be fairly expensive? If one
can't find the right value in the right
size package, how much extra capacitance is acceptable? And any higher working voltage
rating is OK?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Louis
IMHO, it depends mostly on who made the electrolytics. I have large
"computer grade" electrolytics from the 60's, salvaged from Ampex VTR's
that are still 100%, and have never failed in over 30 years.
OTOH, the cheap electrolytics found in consumer grade electronics seem
to dry out and fail on a yeary or biannual basis. One of the worst
failure rates I've seen is the teeny tiny 160VDC electrolytics; I just
replace then no matter what and usually that cures the problems.
The best way to check those #$%#$%^# caps is to use an ESR meter. And
only then should yo buckshot them. And replace them with good grade
Spraggue or CDE if possible. I've had mixed to poor resutls with
Nichion, or other cheap Japanese caps sold by MCM Electronics.
Gary Hildebrand
4:01 a.m.
New subject: Prophylactic replacement of electrolytic capacitors?
The best way to check those #$%#$%^# caps is to use an
ESR meter. And
only then should yo buckshot them. And replace them with good grade
Seems like a simple enough question: how do you test them?
I don't have an ESR meter, should I get one? No other way?
John A.
8:45 a.m.
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13 Jan
13 Jan
3:50 p.m.
On video side, Is there's non-"green on
sync" nubus video card
permittin use of adapter and regular peecee monitors? I'm
talking about these monitors without green on sync feature. Unless
there's a good solution to constructing one. Part about adapter
cable already constructed and in use with other Macs and peecee
monitors but not for Mac II series video type.
There are plenty; try looking for an 8*24, or if you're using 7.1 or lower,
use the wonderful 8*24*GC accelerated video system.
However, I can use my NEC Multisync XV15+ just fine with my IIci's internal
video with one of the 10-DIP-switch adapters (turn on switches 1, 4, 5 and
8; turn off all others).
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Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu
-- "I'd love to go out with you, but I have to floss my parakeet."
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