9 Aug
2007
9 Aug
'07
3:20 p.m.
See, this is one part of the reasons why I don't actively follow the list:
Patrick Finnegan said:
And this is from a friend even!! :/
First of all, how would I be ruining someone's life by running an event
parallel to someone trying to steal my international brand name? I'm not
threatening to burn down their house and kill their pets, for fuck's sake.
I'm not even threatening to sue! I'm offering a rather democratic way to
resolve the issue: go to the fake "VCF" or the real VCF, and see which one
you prefer. I'm willing to bet that most people would choose the real
VCF, and the fake "VCF" would suffer. The question is, does anyone really
want to take the gamble? It would be easier to just come up with your own
damn name.
As others previously have pointed out, this is a brand identity I have
developed over the course of 10 long years. I'm not going to let anyone
use it unless I approve. I'd be an idiot to allow otherwise.
If someone produced a cola and started selling it as "Pepsi", would you
have sympathies with Pepsi or the person egregiously stealing the brand
name? Anti-capitalist lefties aside, I have a pretty good idea that the
legal system would side with Pepsi (the real one).
Would you go to MacWorld run by Apple, or "MacWorld" run by a guy named
Abdullah? And would you criticize Apple for suing the hell out of
Abdullah for infringing on their trademark?
Pat, you know the deal. You produce the VCF Midwest under an ad hoc
license. Why should I let someone else just take it and run with it as
they wish? I certainly wouldn't give you that type of leeway. Nor anyone
else for that matter.
Are UK nerds just anti-ownership in general, or only because I'm the one
raising a beef over the prospect of someone stealing my brand identity?
Unreal.
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Indeed. I
view Sellam's attitude as a response to all of the people
who recently were saying, in effect, "Screw your copyright, I'm using
your name anyway!"
It'd be nice if Sellam could at least figure out how to say this in a
non-"I'm going to ruin your life for doing something that's not nice"
sort of way. 
5:17 p.m.
William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote: >> Are UK nerds just
anti-ownership in general,
Yeah, another outbreak of foot & mouth desease, or whatever it is this
time. More cows being killed :(
Getting back on topic, can we please stop arguing and just start setting up plans for this
thing, even if nothing is in concrete yet.
The webcam idea is cool. I was thinking of attempting a "fly-through" (or
perhaps fly-over) my opened up (broken) Amiga 600 sometime. I had planned to upload it to
YouTube, but I have no problems putting it elsewhere too.
Not sure how good or bad it will turn out, but I did get an extension cable for my webcam
(without it I can't have video & sound due to the positions of both sockets on my
laptop!).
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
PS. Am attempting to have a play with the copper-list on my A600 (emulated under WinUAE).
Has anyone done this before? Anyone care to give me some pointers, or example code?
It's Anti-Americanism!
He's not speaking for all of us.
or only
because I'm the one
raising a beef over the prospect of someone >> stealing my brand identity?
One should not raise beef in the UK.
--
Will 
5:06 p.m.
At 02:20 PM 8/9/2007, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Are UK nerds just anti-ownership in general, or only
because I'm the one
raising a beef over the prospect of someone stealing my brand identity?
I'm 100% with Sellam on this one. I thought he was being polite
the first time around, as well as the second. In general, though,
I would've simply ignored the ankle-biters who thought it would
be nifty to usurp the name. If the effort would move ahead seriously,
I doubt that no grown-up would seriously consider using the VCF
name without Sellam's blessing.
- John
5:47 p.m.
[Note to Jay: I'm sorry to continue this thread...]
On Thursday 09 August 2007, Sellam Ismail wrote:
See, this is one part of the reasons why I don't
actively follow the
list:
Patrick Finnegan said:
Pat, you know the deal. You produce the VCF Midwest under an ad hoc
license. Why should I let someone else just take it and run with it
as they wish? I certainly wouldn't give you that type of leeway.
Nor anyone else for that matter.
Yes I do. And, I wasn't suggesting that someone should use the VCF
name. I was simply suggesting that you might just be polite and ASK
people not to do it, rather than threaten them in some way.
Oh, and it bothers me when people working towards the same goal (a
classic computer expo type event) quibble over little things like
trademarks. Can't we get past that, and back to something productive
and useful? So Sellam doesn't want you to use "VCF" without his
consent. Pick some other name and be done with it.
Pat
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Indeed.
I view Sellam's attitude as a response to all of the
people who recently were saying, in effect, "Screw your
copyright, I'm using your name anyway!"
It'd be nice if Sellam could at least figure out how to say this in
a non-"I'm going to ruin your life for doing something that's not
nice" sort of way. 
11 Aug
11 Aug
12:35 a.m.
edited for brevity
--- Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com> wrote:
I'm sure many listers, including friends, feel
there's a way of you expressing your viewpoints in a
less vitreolic manner.
See, this is one part of the reasons why I don't
actively follow the list:
Patrick Finnegan said:
It'd be
nice if Sellam could at least figure out
how to say this in a
non-"I'm going to ruin your life for
doing
something that's not nice"
sort of way.
And this is from a friend even!! :/ I'm offering a
rather democratic way to
resolve the issue: go to the fake "VCF" or the real
VCF, and see which one
you prefer. I'm willing to bet that most people
would choose the real
VCF, and the fake "VCF" would suffer. The question
is, does anyone really
want to take the gamble? It would be easier to just
come up with your own
damn name.
Agreed. You're entitled to the preservation of your
copyright (good luck when the infringement takes place
on a different shore), but (and maybe I stand to be
corrected) the original posts probably meant it in a
generic sense.
What is so original to the VCF that couldn't be
emulated if need be or even improved upon? Because of
a pubescent bunch of horse excrement, I haven't
attended the one in NJ, so I can't (and won't) speak
from any first hand experience. I've seen pictures
of
older ones, and if my opinion means anything, they
seemed a bit, eh, antiseptic, but perhaps that's owed
to some attendees particular presentations.
Keep in mind, since you evoke notions of democracy
and capitalism, competition is a necessary and
desireable component.
Who's Abdullah?
But let's get off this topic already. Mikey B is
bored w/it, and heavens we can't have that.
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