I should have remembered DECUS C, I thought Watersmith (is that the right name) or someone else might have had a version for RSTS/E as well. Paul, have you seen this? http://www.sics.se/~adam/uip/index.html It looks like it might be a way to get TCP/IP on RSTS/E (which is why I'm asking about C compiliers. Obviously GCC would make this easier to get running on the PDP-11. Zane

That's the one. I have at least a partial copy for RSX-11M and the doc's. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

On Oct 21, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Mike Cesari wrote: I may be wrong, but I don't remember Whitesmith's C being available for CP/M, and I could swear it wasn't available for MS/DOS either. Whitesmith did have a Unix-like OS called IDRIS, and they did have a C compiler, but I thought it was only available for "larger" computers, not the PC. Unfortunately, all the Whitesmith products have vanished into the ether... they got bought by someone and as far as I know, are no longer available. Funny, there are several products that I wish could be brought back I can think of the following: 1) Whitesmith's IDRIS 2) CCA Emacs - an Emacs clone that was available for various Unix and VMS systems 3) Unipress Emacs - the original Emacs written by James Gosling when he worked at a university, repackaged and sold as a commercial product (although I've seen the Gosling C source floating around at some point). Mark

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Brad Parker wrote: It and ran ran -- the problem was it didn't appear to know when to stop! I've long forgotten the details, and we didn't use it much since it was so impractical. It had a lot of language limitations too if I recall, restrictions on the CP/M-80 implementation. ("We" was Microft Inc, Falmouth Mass, Tom Campbell and Debbie Orbach and Van Grabel, we did software consulting and projects.)

On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 05:57:31PM -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote: Whitesmith. We used the Whitesmith's C compiler for VMS extensively for data comm products at Software Results Corp... so extensively that we were also a 'reseller' to be able to provide it to our customers who ponied-up for a source license. Otherwise, they couldn't have recompiled our sources. Unfortunately for this thread, we used the DECUS C compiler for our RSTS products, not Whitesmith's, so I cannot offer any help in procuring anything for the PDP-11. -ethan -- Ethan Dicks, A-130-S Current South Pole Weather at 22-Oct-2004 19:40 Z South Pole Station PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -54.5 F (-48.1 C) Windchill -65.90 F (-54.4 C) APO AP 96598 Wind 2 kts Grid 061 Barometer 672.8 mb (10900. ft) Ethan.Dicks(a)amanda.spole.gov http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html

Zane> I dug up my doc's this morning. Looks like I should have Zane> Whitesmith C and Pascal V2.2. It looks like they only Zane> supported RSTS/E in RSX mode. Therefore the only options are Zane> DEC C and DECUS C. Huh? It's possible to write applications that are "native RSTS" but I can't think of any example where this has been done. Runtime systems use native RSTS calls, but applications universally are either RT flavored (using the RT11 runtime system to run on RSTS) or RSX flavored (using the RSX runtime system or the kernel emulation in later RSTS versions). Either way, an application might also include the occasional RSTS native call, to do things that are outside the RT or RSX API, but that would only be a small increment on top of an otherwise RSX or RT application. If someone says "support RSTS/E in RSX mode" that means the programs run on the RSX runtime system on RSTS/E. If they say that much, it might mean that they actually handled those few spots where an unmodified plain RSX application behaves somewhat strangely in the RSTS RSX emulation. (I don't remember actual examples of that; RT emulation had some of these, but RT is more distant from RSTS in many ways, for example its file structure.) paul

"Zane H. Healy" wrote: I may be wrong, but that's not what I remember. I think I would remember having to run the task builder (tkb) and I don't. I think I just linked and ran. I could swear I used some sort of rt-11 style setup under rsts with the whitesmith's compiler. (but that was a while ago, and many wine bottles have passed since then :-) -brad

there If you can get a tape image, I'm interested in a copy. I have a couple of functional RSTS/E PDP-11s. What versions of RSTS will this Whitesmith C run on? I also have my RSTS/E systems running in simh. Ashley