9 Apr
2003
9 Apr
'03
8:07 a.m.
Sergio,
Are you still interested in connecting a HP 9885 to your HP 9000/380? I've been
going through some of my old HP manuals and I've found a lot more info. You definitely
need the HP 98622 GPIO interface. The standard 98622 has a 50 pin female Ampenol connector
(ie "SCSI" connector) and you'll have to make you're own cable. But if
you find a 98622 option 002 interface it already has a 0.8m cable and connector for the
9885 disk drive. It also has the jumpers already set for use with the 9885 drive. The
98622 jumpers should be set as follows; BSY and BSY 0; PCL, PFLG, PSTS, HSHK, DIN, DOUT,
RD, RDY, RD, RDY all set to 1. I know there appear to be some duplcates in the lists
above but that's the way they're shown in the 98622 manual. I have the pin outs
of the 98622 but I don't have them for the 9885. At least I don't have them
readily available.
Assuming that you're running BASIC, you need to load the GPIO.BIN and HP9885.BIN
files. The GPIO file provides drivers for the 98622 hardware and the HP9885 file provides
the driver for the 9885 drive. I'm not sure what you need if you're running other
languages.
Joe
Sergio,
Yes it CAN be attached. You'd have to use the GPIO interface and probably have to
write you're own drivers. The GPIO interface is the nearest thing to the original
interface (HP 98034 option 85 IIRC) for the 9885. I THINK I remember that HP did make an
9885 interface for the early 9000 200 series computers but I don't remember the
details. The original interface for the 9885 is a 16 bit parallel interface, it is NOT
SASI or SCSI.
Joe
At 10:33 PM 4/2/03 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello. Somebody knows if one HP9885 8" floppy unit can be attached to one
>HP-
>9000/380 ? The unit came with one 50-pin SCSI or SASI type connector, and
>one
>37-pin connector.
>
>Thanks and Greetings.
>
>Sergio
9 Apr
9 Apr
9:01 a.m.
New subject: ADM Terminal = Televideo Terminal?
Hi all,
I have a vintage Televideo 910 Terminal which I know little about. It looks
just like a Lear Siegler ADM Terminal. I want to setup an authentic Altair
8800 display and was wondering if Televideo and Lear Siegler might be one
and the same company.
Does anybody know more about it?
Thanks
Herbert
9:26 a.m.
New subject: ADM Terminal = Televideo Terminal?
Herbert,
I don't know anything about them but I saw one in a scrap yard a few weeks ago. I
posted a question about it but never got any answers.
Joe
At 02:53 PM 4/9/03 -0400, you wrote:
Hi all,
I have a vintage Televideo 910 Terminal which I know little about. It looks
just like a Lear Siegler ADM Terminal. I want to setup an authentic Altair
8800 display and was wondering if Televideo and Lear Siegler might be one
and the same company.
Does anybody know more about it?
Thanks
Herbert
4:20 p.m.
New subject: ADM Terminal = Televideo Terminal?
Hi All
I used to work for Televideo. They are still alive and kicking, Their
offices are now in San Jose, CA.
They currently have a line of thin clients. no longer do they do
terminals.
Televideo started out as a Monitor manufacturer (their logo is a cube
made of monitor screens)
Then they branched out into terminals.
Next they had a line of 8 bit computers running cpm
Next they had a line of PC-Clone computers running DOS and SCO (in the
286's)
They added a line of add on boards (Zuckerboards). Funny name, because
the
guy and his wife who made the zuckerboards charged up corporate credit
cards before
they split.
Televideo no longer makes terminals or computer systems except the
Cyrix based thin client.
4:42 p.m.
New subject: ADM Terminal = Televideo Terminal?
On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
I used to work for Televideo. They are still alive and
kicking, Their
offices are now in San Jose, CA.
They currently have a line of thin clients. no longer do they do
terminals.
What is the dividing line between a "thin client" and a "terminal"?
4:49 p.m.
New subject: ADM Terminal = Televideo Terminal?
On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 21:40, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
I think that generally, a "thin client" displays GUI type stuff, while a
terminal is character based. Also, Thin Clients are usually associated
with MicroSoft based systems such as Terminal Server and Citrix
WinFrame. They generally use the MS T-Streams protocol or Citrix ICA
protocol. They are kinda like X servers, only for Windoze.
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I used to work for Televideo. They are still
alive and kicking, Their
offices are now in San Jose, CA.
They currently have a line of thin clients. no longer do they do
terminals.
What is the dividing line between a "thin client" and a "terminal"?
6:03 p.m.
New subject: ADM Terminal = Televideo Terminal?
On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 06:40 PM, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
Mostly the kind of display, the terminal is a character based kind of
device.
The thin client usually is a graphics based device, like a box only
running an
X server or a Windows "display process".
Neither actually do any calculations, or store any data - they only
display whatever
"boss" tells 'em to.
I used to work for Televideo. They are still
alive and kicking, Their
offices are now in San Jose, CA.
They currently have a line of thin clients. no longer do they do
terminals.
What is the dividing line between a "thin client" and a "terminal"?
10:01 a.m.
New subject: ADM Terminal = Televideo Terminal?
The Design Fort DTP wrote:
I have a vintage Televideo 910 Terminal which I know
little about. It looks
just like a Lear Siegler ADM Terminal. I want to setup an authentic Altair
8800 display and was wondering if Televideo and Lear Siegler might be one
and the same company.
Does anybody know more about it?
Televideo, also known as TVI, built Lear Siegler clones in about 1980.
The TVI 910 was a basic ADM-3A clone, while the TVI 925 was styled
more like a VT100. We used them on the Prime P750 at Westfield
College in the early 1980s. But, just to complicate matters, the
UK importer (Data Type) re-badged the TVI 910 as model DT22.
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
10:08 a.m.
New subject: ADM Terminal = Televideo Terminal?
On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, The Design Fort DTP wrote:
I have a vintage Televideo 910 Terminal which I know
little about. It looks
just like a Lear Siegler ADM Terminal. I want to setup an authentic Altair
8800 display and was wondering if Televideo and Lear Siegler might be one
and the same company.
Does anybody know more about it?
Hi Herbert.
Although they look similar, Televideo != Lear-Siegler. They were two
completely different companies with distinct products.
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10:26 a.m.
Sergio,
Thank you for the your interest, Joe :-)
Your information is VERY valuable. Only rests the problem of the Bus Slots
of
the HP9000/380. While the previous 200 and 300 Series appear to have "edge"
slots,
my 380 have these that somebody named here "Euro Slots" or something so.
Somebody talked too about some kind of slot conversor. What's about this ?
Thanks and Greetings
Best Regards
Sergio
Are you still interested in connecting a HP 9885 to
your HP 9000/380?
I've been going through some of my old HP manuals and I've
found a lot more
info. You definitely need the HP 98622 GPIO interface. The standard 98622
has a 50 pin female Ampenol connector (ie "SCSI" connector) and you'll have
to make you're own cable. But if you find a 98622 option 002 interface it
already has a 0.8m cable and connector for the 9885 disk drive. It also has
the jumpers already set for use with the 9885 drive. The 98622 jumpers
should be set as follows; BSY and BSY 0; PCL, PFLG, PSTS, HSHK, DIN, DOUT,
RD, RDY, RD, RDY all set to 1. I know there appear to be some duplcates in
the lists above but that's the way they're shown in the 98622 manual. I
have the pin outs of the 98622 but I don't have them for the 9885. At least
I don't have them readily available.
11:34 a.m.
Sergio,
I was the one that brought up the subject of the slots. IIRC the 380 only has DIO-II
slots. The 98622 fits in a DIO-1 (usually just called DIO) slot. If so then you'll
need the "slot upgrade". I have the "HP A1401a DIO-I Slot Upgrade
Installation Guide". This is a slot converter for the HP 9000 400 series computers
but I think it may be identical to the one used for the 300 series computers. There's
not much to it, just a frame the fits in the DIO-II slot. It has a wide ribbon cable to
plugs into the DIO-II connector and that has a DIO-I connector on the other end. I've
seen these in some the 300 sereis computers that I've looked at so I don't think
it would be hard to find one. I MAY have one in one of my 300s but I haven't looked.
Joe
At 09:23 PM 4/9/03 +0200, you wrote:
Sergio,
Thank you for the your interest, Joe :-)
Your information is VERY valuable. Only rests the problem of the Bus Slots
of
the HP9000/380. While the previous 200 and 300 Series appear to have "edge"
slots,
my 380 have these that somebody named here "Euro Slots" or something so.
Somebody talked too about some kind of slot conversor. What's about this ?
Thanks and Greetings
Best Regards
Sergio
Are you still interested in connecting a HP
9885 to your HP 9000/380?
I've been going through some of my old HP manuals and
I've found a lot more
info. You definitely need the HP 98622 GPIO interface. The standard 98622
has a 50 pin female Ampenol connector (ie "SCSI" connector) and you'll have
to make you're own cable. But if you find a 98622 option 002 interface it
already has a 0.8m cable and connector for the 9885 disk drive. It also has
the jumpers already set for use with the 9885 drive. The 98622 jumpers
should be set as follows; BSY and BSY 0; PCL, PFLG, PSTS, HSHK, DIN, DOUT,
RD, RDY, RD, RDY all set to 1. I know there appear to be some duplcates in
the lists above but that's the way they're shown in the 98622 manual. I
have the pin outs of the 98622 but I don't have them for the 9885. At least
I don't have them readily available.
11:54 a.m.
Sergio,
I was the one that brought up the subject of the slots [...]
Ok, I forgot it :-)
IIRC the 380 only has DIO-II slots. The 98622 fits in
a DIO-1 (usually
just called DIO) slot. [...] I MAY have one in one of my 300s but
I haven't
looked.
If you locate one I should like to speak with you about get it (in case that
you want to sell
it, of course).
Thanks and Greetings
Best Regards
Sergio
11:43 a.m.
the lists above but that's the way they're
shown in the 98622 manual. I
have the pin outs of the 98622 but I don't have them for the 9885. At least
I don't have them readily available.
If it's any help. I'll include the wirelist of the cable to link the 9885
to the 98032 GPIO interface (for the HP98x5 machines). That at least
should give the pinout....
The 'wire' column gives the wire colour using the resistor colour code
(base colour, then first stripe, then second stripe). The 'DD50' column
is the connectr on the 9885. Ignore the 'jumpers' section -- that refers
to the configuration jumpers inside the 98032 interface.
DD50 Wire 98032 Signal
1 9 A25 Drain
2 905 A1 Gnd
3 906 B1 Gnd
4 927 A22 Ctl0
5 902 A21 PReset
6 928 A23 Ctl1
7 918 B21 EIR
8 9 A18 Gnd
9 9 B18 Drain
10 98 A19 Pctl
11 903 A24 Gnd
12 904 B24 Gnd
13 8 B19 Pflg
14 908 B20 Psts
15 901 A20 I/O
16 916 B22 Sti0
17 917 B23 Sti1
18 948 A2 DO15
19 947 A3 DO14
20 946 A4 DO13
21 945 A5 DO12
22 937 A6 DO11
23 936 A7 DO10
24 935 A8 DO9
25 934 A9 DO8
26 97 A10 DO7
27 96 A11 DO6
28 95 A12 D05
29 94 A13 DO4
30 93 A14 DO3
31 92 A15 DO2
32 91 A16 DO1
33 90 A17 DO0
34 N/C
35 926 B2 DI15
36 925 B3 DI14
37 924 B4 DI13
38 923 B5 DI12
39 915 B6 DI11
40 914 B7 DI10
41 913 B8 DI9
42 912 B9 DI8
43 7 B10 DI7
44 6 B11 DI6
45 5 B12 DI5
46 4 B13 DI4
47 3 B14 DI3
48 2 B15 DI2
49 1 B16 DI1
50 0 B17 DI0
Jumpers :
2 Output +ve true
7 DMA Enable
8 Clock high input byte on rdy
B Word Input
E Clock low input byte on rdy
F Word Output
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