2 Apr
2005
2 Apr
'05
11:16 a.m.
I have a 9133H connected to my IPC. I have the 9133H manual and the
only reason that I have not bothered to scan it is because it contains
no useful info AT ALL! It was written by brain dead people (whenever a
manual starts with "Don't let the terminology scare you", you know that
the manual is not worth the paper its printed on). Anyway it says zip
about the configuration switch other than "it changes disc formatting".
Thanks!
There are many different models in the 9133 family and they are VERY
different between each other. Early ones are amigo, while later ones
are CS-80.
Anyway the setting that works for me is Configuration switch in
position 1, address in position 0.
With these settings, I get:
/dev/A built-in floppy
/dev/D000 9133H hard drive
/dev/D001 9133H floppy
Connect the external HP-IB hard drive and look in /dev to see the
name(s) assigned to the hard drive. Then use the format_disc utility
(int he Utilities diskette) to format it.
A lot of software for the IPC is available at:
http://www.coho.org/~pete/IPC/integral.html
There is also an ongoing discussion at
http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/forum.cgi?read=70969
Best Regards
**vp
2 Apr
2 Apr
2:52 p.m.
At 02:16 PM 4/2/05 -0500, you wrote:
I have a 9133H connected to my IPC. I have the 9133H manual and the
only reason that I have not bothered to scan it is because it contains
no useful info AT ALL! It was written by brain dead people (whenever a
manual starts with "Don't let the terminology scare you", you know that
the manual is not worth the paper its printed on). Anyway it says zip
about the configuration switch other than "it changes disc formatting".
Thanks!
There are many different models in the 9133 family and they are VERY
different between each other. Early ones are amigo, while later ones
are CS-80.
Correction, the later ones are SubSet-80 (literally a subset of the CS-80).
9133H = 19.92 Mb (depending on the system)
9133L = 40 Mb "
9133V and 9133VX = 5 Mb "
9133D = 15 Mb "
9133V and 9133VX option 010 = 9.6 Mb "
I THINK there are also A and B models but I don't have their specs.
Note: 9134 is exactly the same as a 9133 but without the floppy drive.
ALL the other specs apply.
My notes say "HP 9133XV/9134XV are Amigo drives and are configurable as
four 5Mb drives for use on the HP-85, etc". This configuration looks like
four 1.15Mb HP 9895 8" floppy disk drives to an HP-85.
also
"Jumpers Capacity # of volumes
A,B 5Mb 1
A 5Mb 4
A,B,C 10Mb 1
A,C 15Mb 1"
I don't remember where I found that but it looks like HP uses a
common board for the various models and sets the capacity to match the
drive via the jumpers.
and "256 bytes/sector set by a jumper of the board" Some systems
REQUIRE 256 bytes/sector while others use 1024.
Anyway the setting that works for me is Configuration switch in
position 1, address in position 0.
The configuration switch sets the number of volumes (partitions) to
whatever the switch is set to. A "0" or "9" sets up a single volume
that is
uneraseable or some such. I can't think of a good reason to use a setting
of anything other than "1".
Joe
With these settings, I get:
/dev/A built-in floppy
/dev/D000 9133H hard drive
/dev/D001 9133H floppy
Connect the external HP-IB hard drive and look in /dev to see the
name(s) assigned to the hard drive. Then use the format_disc utility
(int he Utilities diskette) to format it.
A lot of software for the IPC is available at:
http://www.coho.org/~pete/IPC/integral.html
There is also an ongoing discussion at
http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/forum.cgi?read=70969
Best Regards
**vp
3:47 p.m.
I don't remember where I found that but it
looks like HP uses a
common board for the various models and sets the capacity to match the
drive via the jumpers.
I beleive there are at least 2 main versions -- the older one in the
all-metal case (which, IIRC had separate floppy and hard disk controller
boards, linked ot the same HPIB connector) and the later one in the
'shoebox' with the plastic front/top cover.
I have only the latter. There's a set of 4 links on the controller PCB
that are labelled 'Ident Sra'. They link to an input port on the 6809
bus, and seem to define the drive geometry. I do know that this is
checked on power-up, and if the link setting doesn't match the drive, you
get an error. I presume there's a look-up table in the firmware
somewhere, but I've not looked for it yet.
-tony
4:49 p.m.
At 12:47 AM 4/3/05 +0100, you wrote:
There are at least two versions. One is the white square box about 13"
square and there is the older model that was in a biege box that was about
17" wide and the ends were rounded. As I recall it had vents in the front
and rear. You don't see the old version very often but I have a couple of
them here. I think there were also a couple of different versions of the
unit in the new style box.
Joe
I
don't remember where I found that but it looks like HP uses a
common board for the various models and sets the capacity to match the
drive via the jumpers.
I beleive there are at least 2 main versions -- the older one in the
all-metal case (which, IIRC had separate floppy and hard disk controller
boards, linked ot the same HPIB connector) and the later one in the
'shoebox' with the plastic front/top cover.
I have only the latter. There's a set of 4 links on the controller PCB
that are labelled 'Ident Sra'. They link to an input port on the 6809
bus, and seem to define the drive geometry. I do know that this is
checked on power-up, and if the link setting doesn't match the drive, you
get an error. I presume there's a look-up table in the firmware
somewhere, but I've not looked for it yet.
-tony
3 Apr
3 Apr
10:32 a.m.
I beleive there
are at least 2 main versions -- the older one in the
all-metal case (which, IIRC had separate floppy and hard disk controller
boards, linked ot the same HPIB connector) and the later one in the
'shoebox' with the plastic front/top cover.
There are at least two versions. One is the white square box about 13"
3:53 p.m.
At 06:32 PM 4/3/05 +0100, you wrote:
I'll raise that to 3 versions at least :-)
I rather suspected there were at lest three versions :-)
I beleive there are at least 2 main versions -- the
older one in the
all-metal case (which, IIRC had separate floppy and hard disk controller
boards, linked ot the same HPIB connector) and the later one in the
'shoebox' with the plastic front/top cover.
There are at least two versions. One is the white square box about 13"
I have found a manaul called "HP's 3 1/2-Inch Flexible Disc Drive Service
Documentation". It's pretty content-free, the main useful part is the
appendix giving the Amigo command set, at least for floppies.
I also have that manual. I sent it to (someone) a couple of years ago to
be scanned/copied and they disseminated a lot of copies. Your copy may well
have come from me originally. FWIW it's part of a larger manual. Each
section (such as this one) was ordered and installed in the manual
separtately.
Anyway, this manual has a section on the drive itself (the single-head
Sony full-height one), no schematics and sections on the 9121, 9133A/B,
9133V/XV units.
I have a section on the HP 9133A. That's one of the old style boxs.
I also have a section on the 9123. The 9123 operates the same as a 9122
but gets it's power from the HP 150-II. It may be the same as drive and
logic board as a 9122 but I don't know. However I have a couple of 9122s
and 9123s and I could open them up and compare them if necessary.
I also have a section on the 9114 but I think you have that as well.
I also have a separate manual, 'HP-82901 M/S & HP-82902 M/S Flexible
Disk Drive Service Manual", that covers the old style 5 1/4" floppy drives.
The latter have partial PSU scheamtics, you're refered to
the Winchester Disc Service Manual for the rest of the
PSU (which, alas,
I don't have :-().
Yeap, Same here. I found this one at a local HP dealer and talked them
into letting me make a copy. I'm sure other dealers have some of this
laying around. I wish some of the other collectors would go beat the bushes
in their area and see what they could find.
BTW I just found a note that I missed earlier. It says that the 9133D
uses the ST-225. I think the 9133H uses a ST-4(something) drive.
Joe
The 9133A is the all-metal case with rounded ends. It contains 2
separate controllers (floppy and winchester), linked to a common HPIB
connector. Seprate address switches for the 2 controllers
The 9133V is in the plastic-topped case. Again separate controllers. The
floppy controller is 2 stacked boards (to get it in the case!). The HPIB
connector is on the winchester controller board, but there's an internal
HPIB link to the floppy controller. Again separate address switches.
Then there's the 9133H that I have. It's got one controller board with
one HPIB interface and one 98B09 processor. It controls both the floppy
and the winchester. One address swithc of course.
Intrerstingly, the manaul I have gives component lists for the floppy
controller boards. All 3 (9121, 9133A, 9133X) seem to be very similar and
use the same firmware ROM.
-tony
5:42 p.m.
I have found a
manaul called "HP's 3 1/2-Inch Flexible Disc Drive Service
Documentation". It's pretty content-free, the main useful part is the
appendix giving the Amigo command set, at least for floppies.
I also have that manual. I sent it to (someone) a couple of years ago to
be scanned/copied and they disseminated a lot of copies. Your copy may well
have come from me originally. FWIW it's part of a larger manual. Each I also have a section on the 9123. The 9123
operates the same as a 9122
but gets it's power from the HP 150-II. It may be the same as drive and
Yes, I have one. Somewhere I have the pinout of the PSU cable (it's just
+12V and +5V, of course).
logic board as a 9122 but I don't know. However I
have a couple of 9122s
and 9123s and I could open them up and compare them if necessary.
I don't have a 9122 to look at, but the 9123 that I have is very
different to other HP drive units that I've looked inside. For one thing
it uses an HP custom HPIB buffer chip -- the same one that's used in the
82169 (HPIL-HPIB translator, I have the service manual for that and it
_does_ contain schematics). All the other HP drives I've been inside have
used stnadard (Intel, Motorola, etc) buffers.
I also have a section on the 9114 but I think you have that as well.
I don't, but I have my own schematics for the 9114 (both versions, both
types of battery pack, etc). I also have my notes on how to set the darn
thing up (which is remarkably easy). I've seen a 9114 service manual, and
it was a waste of good tress!
I also have a separate manual, 'HP-82901 M/S & HP-82902 M/S Flexible
Disk Drive Service Manual", that covers the old style 5 1/4" floppy drives.
Does this manual contain any useful info? IIRC those drives used a 6802
processor, not the 6809 used in all later units.
BTW I just found a note that I missed earlier. It
says that the 9133D
uses the ST-225. I think the 9133H uses a ST-4(something) drive.
I am _sure_ my 9133H uses as ST225. Or at least the ST225 scheamtics I
have apply to the drive in that unit...
-tony
4 Apr
4 Apr
9:43 a.m.
My 9133, which originated this thread, is a 9133D, with a single
controllerboard, one DS floppy and a ST419 15MB MFM disk, a disk which
is clearly older than the ST225 ( it is similar in construction to a
ST506 or ST412)
First problem with the drive turned out to be severe head stiction. It
is spinning now, so I might yet be able to coerce some life out of it.
Jos
11:30 a.m.
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:43:05 +0200, Jos Dreesen wrote:
My 9133, which originated this thread, is a 9133D, with a single
controllerboard, one DS floppy and a ST419 15MB MFM disk, a disk which
is clearly older than the ST225 ( it is similar in construction to a
ST506 or ST412)
Mine is a 9133D too, but it uses a ST-225 ...
Ciao Bernd
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