9 Sep
2002
9 Sep
'02
4:21 a.m.
Our local Blockbuster Video here in Chicago is rapidly decreasing the number
of video cassettes it rents, in favor of DVD's. Soon there won't be any
available, except at the public library or specialty rental stores. I guess
they are trying to force users to switch to DVD.
-----Original Message-----
From: R. D. Davis [mailto:rdd@rddavis.org]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:31 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube
<snip>
Once someone purchases electronic equipment, one should
be able to continue using it for as long as one wants, and be able to
repair it whenever necessary... of course, that should also apply to
most things, such as refridgerators, cars, washing machines, furnaces,
radios, televisions, etc.
Is not obsolescence is a concept which needs to become obsolete? I
propose that we form a Society for the Obsolecence of Obsolescence,
and I jest not.
9 Sep
9 Sep
4:40 a.m.
New subject: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
"I guess they are trying to force users to switch to DVD."
You make it sound like a conspiracy. It's a simple matter of economics.
Every time you play a VHS cassette, you degrade it. DVD does not inherently
suffer from this, unless you mishandled a DVD. DVDs take less space, in a
vertical spine-out display configuration. DVDs do not need to be rewound.
DVDs have a better picture. DVDs have better sound.
In fact, the *only* disadvantage that DVD has as a medium is that unlike
VHS, it's not readily recordable.
If I were a video rental store, I'd be dumping miserable VHS cassettes as
fast as I could. Let the antique shops rent them. The DVD market now
represents a rather large percentage of the rental market, since a
reasonable DVD player is as cheap as a mid-range VHS deck.
--John
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Feldman, Robert
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 09:21
To: 'cctalk(a)classiccmp.org'
Subject: OT: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
Our local Blockbuster Video here in Chicago is rapidly decreasing the number
of video cassettes it rents, in favor of DVD's. Soon there won't be any
available, except at the public library or specialty rental stores. I guess
they are trying to force users to switch to DVD.
5:20 a.m.
New subject: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
J.C. Wren wrote:
"I guess they are trying to force users to
switch to DVD."
You make it sound like a conspiracy. It's a simple matter of economics.
Every time you play a VHS cassette, you degrade it. DVD does not inherently
suffer from this, unless you mishandled a DVD. DVDs take less space, in a
vertical spine-out display configuration. DVDs do not need to be rewound.
DVDs have a better picture. DVDs have better sound.
In fact, the *only* disadvantage that DVD has as a medium is that unlike
VHS, it's not readily recordable.
If I were a video rental store, I'd be dumping miserable VHS cassettes as
fast as I could. Let the antique shops rent them. The DVD market now
represents a rather large percentage of the rental market, since a
reasonable DVD player is as cheap as a mid-range VHS deck.
My dislike of DVDs has been more political than technical. I do not
like the heacy handed way the MPAA has been using DVDs (and it's
brain-dead encryption) as a weapon to take away the rights of a consumer
to use a product *which they purchased with their own hard-earned money*
on whatever system they desire. A problem with off-shore bootlegging of
disks should not be used as an excuse to screw the consumer. Posessing
a decoder not "authorized" by the MPAA so that you can watch your *own
property* on some OS which the MPAA & friends felt was beneath their
dignity to port to should /not/ be a crime. The only reason I even have
a DVD player is because we were given one for Christmas. I certainly
will not be going hog-wild buying DVDs for home.
The RIAA are pulling the same sort of crap too. All that legislation
they're trying to get passed not only screws the ordinary consumer
simply trying to make optimum use of the MPAA's overpriced product, but
is an effort to subsidize themselves and drive the independent labels &
artists out of business at the same time.
9:12 a.m.
New subject: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
James E. LaBarre wrote:
Posessing a decoder not "authorized" by the
MPAA
so that you can watch your *own property* on some OS which the MPAA &
friends felt was beneath their dignity to port to should /not/ be a
crime.
Finally! Someone who shares my opinion :-)
I'm not buying a DVDROM for my PC due to region coding - if I want to buy a
DVD in the 'States to watch here in the UK, I'll go ahead and do it.
The only reason I even have a DVD player is because we
were
given one for Christmas. I certainly will not be going hog-wild
buying DVDs for home.
The only reason I'm even thinking of buying a DVD player
is the fact that
some of them (particularly one made by Mustek) can play CDRs, CDRWs,
VideoCDs, Super VideoCDs, etc. Screw DVDs. I'm keeping my Sharp VC-A45HM
video recorder and no-one is going to stop me.
The RIAA are pulling the same sort of crap too. All
that legislation
they're trying to get passed not only screws the ordinary consumer
simply trying to make optimum use of the MPAA's overpriced product,
but is an effort to subsidize themselves and drive the independent
labels & artists out of business at the same time.
My thoughts exactly.
Later.
--
Phil.
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12:03 p.m.
New subject: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
Philip Pemberton wrote:
Finally! Someone who shares my opinion :-)
I'm not buying a DVDROM for my PC due to region coding - if I want to buy a
DVD in the 'States to watch here in the UK, I'll go ahead and do it.
Try
Here for a multi-region DVD player.
http://www.jlist.com/
12:23 p.m.
New subject: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
Ben Franchuk wrote:
Try Here for a multi-region DVD player.
http://www.jlist.com/
Hmm. Interesting. I'll keep that URL handy. I did see a
Mustek DVD-V520
player being sold by "Diskhouse" (based in Leeds, they've got a small shop
on an industrial estate in Armley). I used to get CDRs from them. Until they
ditched all the good brands (Verbatim, Taiyo-Yuden etc) in favour of Princo
and their own-brand CDRs.
Later.
--
Phil.
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10 Sep
10 Sep
7:42 a.m.
New subject: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
--- Philip Pemberton <philpem(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
Ben Franchuk wrote:
My favorite hackable players are made by Apex. There are numerous
sites for how to repair "features" like region encoding and Macrovision.
Not all players are understood well enough to "repair" by the community-
at-large. The AD600A, the 500WM and the 1100W are three that I know
can be done. One problem is that one model number can encompass several
similar products with internal differences, some understood, others
not so well.
Interested parties should do some googling and/or make a trip to
http://www.vcdhelp.com/ Feature shopping guidelines are available
Try Here for a multi-region DVD player.
http://www.jlist.com/
...I did see a Mustek DVD-V520 player being sold by "Diskhouse"... from a variety of web pages.
One caveat: I have an AD600A (the one that shipped with the "YOU SHOULD
NOT BE HERE" menu). I had to upgrade the ROMs (and remove that menu,
unfortunately) to fix some bugs in the player that interfered with
playback of certain discs (there was a serious filesystem bug with SVCD
discs). Sometimes you have to give up certain features to gain others.
Shop wisely.
-ethan
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8:53 a.m.
New subject: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
Ethan Dicks wrote:
My favorite hackable players are made by Apex. There
are numerous
sites for how to repair "features" like region encoding and
Macrovision.
[...]
One caveat: I have an AD600A (the one that shipped
with the "YOU
SHOULD NOT BE HERE" menu).
Guess what - the Mustek DVD-V560 (uprated
DVD-V520?) has this same menu...
Hmm...
Later.
--
Phil.
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12 Sep
12 Sep
9:12 a.m.
New subject: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Philip Pemberton wrote:
There are ways around region coding.
Peace... Sridhar
Posessing a
decoder not "authorized" by the MPAA
so that you can watch your *own property* on some OS which the MPAA &
friends felt was beneath their dignity to port to should /not/ be a
crime.
Finally! Someone who shares my opinion :-)
I'm not buying a DVDROM for my PC due to region coding - if I want to buy a
DVD in the 'States to watch here in the UK, I'll go ahead and do it. 
9 Sep
9 Sep
3:26 p.m.
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2:12 p.m.
New subject: Obsolecence (Was RE: OT: PC Motherboard with a vacuum tube)
In message <DEEGLNDAJNEKHLHOJICFGEDMCMAA.jcwren(a)jcwren.com>om>, "J.C. Wren"
writes
:
In fact, the *only* disadvantage that DVD has as a
medium is that unlik
e
VHS, it's not readily recordable.
I disagree. I personally consider the lack of full disclosure
of the format, including CSS to be a disadvantage. In fact,
it is so severe a disadvantage that I won't purchase a player
or a disk that includes the encryption until the format's backers
get out of court and start making useful contributions to
society. I realize that doesn't really affect the motivations
of a video rental store owner, but it sure means that DVD
only stores won't be making any money off of me. (Note that
I'm not talking about DVDs used for data storage without
the encryption or DVD-Rs (or the slew of incompatible kin),
only the encrypted entertainment uses of DVDs.)
In a vain effort to keep from straying too far off topic,
does anyone backup their classic stuff to DVD? How's the
reliability/longevity relative to CD-Rs?
Brian L. Stuart
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