6 Mar
2001
6 Mar
'01
2 p.m.
<sigh> another reason not to use Micros~1 products for email...
In a message dated 3/6/01 7:33:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes:
<< >
The following came to us at work, and I wanted to
pass on the info:
STRICOM has received official notification of a new virus in the wild
called
the Naked Wife Virus.
This virus is sent by email message with the subject of the "Naked Wife"
or
"FW: Naked Wife" with text of "My wife
never looked like that! ;) ".
There is an infected attachment named "nakedwife.exe". When opened, this
virus resends itself to other recipients in address book. This virus also
affects all .dll, .exe, .com, and .bitmaps files. Do not open this
email
or the attachment if received.
Information has not yet been received as to whether Norton or McAfee will
detect and clean this virus.
Microsoft Outlook email systems are the primary target of this virus and we
do not believe Lotus Notes is affected >>
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6 Mar
6 Mar
2:26 p.m.
Yup, this one's real. Symantec classifies it as hitting between 50 and
999 machines on 3-9 sites, with medium geographical distribution and
moderate threat containment. High damage. - it eats several system
files
and makes the system unusable, requiring a reboot. Apparently Norton
Antivirus will deal with it if you catch it before
you execute the .exe file.
<sigh> another reason not to use Micros~1
products for email...
In a message dated 3/6/01 7:33:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rigdonj(a)intellistar.net writes:
<< >
>The following came to us at work, and I wanted to pass on the info:
>
>STRICOM has received official notification of a new virus in the wild
called
>the Naked Wife Virus.
>
>This virus is sent by email message with the subject of the "Naked
Wife"
or
>"FW: Naked Wife" with text of "My wife never looked like that! ;)
".
>There is an infected attachment named
"nakedwife.exe". When opened,
this
>virus resends itself to other recipients in
address book. This
virus also
>affects all .dll, .exe, .com, and .bitmaps
files. Do not open
this
email
>or the attachment if received.
>
>Information has not yet been received as to whether Norton or McAfee
will
>detect and clean this virus.
>
>Microsoft Outlook email systems are the primary target of this virus
and we
do not believe
Lotus Notes is affected >>
--
DB Young Team OS/2
old computers, hot rod pinto and more at:
www.nothingtodo.org
11:37 p.m.
SUPRDAVE skrev:
<sigh> another reason not to use Micros~1
products for email...
They only get what they deserve. I find it irritating, though, that the media
fail to point out that these viruses only affect MS systems, instead
purporting that the virus is universally effective due to the virus
programmer's genius, as opposed to the incompetence of M$.
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/* in its mouth... */
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7 Mar
7 Mar
1:58 a.m.
Iggy Drougge wrote:
SUPRDAVE skrev:
Well media is always quite partial, but have you ever wondered why medium
and top managers in all mager corporations are still committing to m$
products? I'm a consultant in several several multinationals, and I
daily see how much effort and thus $$ goes into supporting m$ email
products.
No bean counter probably has ever taken time to account for HW upgrades,
working weekends to clean up m$ only viurs messes.
If I were an IT manager and was hit one of these m$ only viri I would send
and invoice to Mr. Gates..... yeah I know what they write on the licenses,
implicitly admitting that thier products are lemons.
Until IT manager 'see one kind of light' all the DOJ work is a waste of
USA taxpayer's money
Cheers
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<sigh> another reason not to use Micros~1
products for email...
They only get what they deserve. I find it irritating, though, that the media
fail to point out that these viruses only affect MS systems, instead
purporting that the virus is universally effective due to the virus
programmer's genius, as opposed to the incompetence of M$. 
3:24 a.m.
Why fault Microsoft for making products that are popular and common?
You might as well blame Ford for drunk drivers. I agree that Outlook
shouldn't expose its address book, and there's slim reason to encourage
the naive, easily-fooled hordes to click on executable attachments, but
it's far easier to lob criticism than it is to design full-featured
mail programs and operating systems that are virus-proof.
- John
5:19 a.m.
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, John Foust wrote:
Why fault Microsoft for making products that are
popular and common?
"Common" is certainly the right word to use; there's nothing about
Microsoft's software that even hints at finesse.
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7:51 a.m.
New subject: L40SX questions
I received my AC Adaptor for my L40SX and the screen does not come on.
Can anybody tell me what the lights and switches mean on the console.
I have some symbols showing in some of the little windows.
With power on from left to right they show:
dark
dark
right arrow
underlined % sign
vertical bar
up arrow
up arrow
box which could be a screen symbol
dark
With power off the right arrow shows a battery and all of the others are dark
On the right of the screen there are two slide bars one labeled with a
shining sun the other like a half moon.
Neither seems to do anything
Any help would be appreciated.
5:10 p.m.
New subject: L40SX questions
Gene,
I'm not sure that I know what a L40SX is. Is that the laptop that IBM
used to make? If so I know where there's one at and I think it has docs
with it. If that's the same machine then I may be able to try out this one
and/or see what the docs say.
Joe
At 01:51 PM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
I received my AC Adaptor for my L40SX and the screen
does not come on.
Can anybody tell me what the lights and switches mean on the console.
I have some symbols showing in some of the little windows.
With power on from left to right they show:
dark
dark
right arrow
underlined % sign
vertical bar
up arrow
up arrow
box which could be a screen symbol
dark
With power off the right arrow shows a battery and all of the others are dark
On the right of the screen there are two slide bars one labeled with a
shining sun the other like a half moon.
Neither seems to do anything
Any help would be appreciated.
5:42 p.m.
New subject: L40SX questions
At 11:10 PM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
I'm not sure that I know what a L40SX is. Is that
the laptop that IBM
used to make? If so I know where there's one at and I think it has docs
with it. If that's the same machine then I may be able to try out this one
and/or see what the docs say.
Joe, it's a PS/2 made in 1991 and was the first real laptop made by
IBM I believe after the Convertible.
Gene
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8 Mar
8 Mar
3:46 a.m.
New subject: L40SX questions
IBM still has the hardware maint. manual (HMM) for the portables in volume I
of the Mobile Systems HMM available online at
http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/cdt/hmm.html
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From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gene Ehrich
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 10:42 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: L40SX questions
At 11:10 PM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
I'm not sure that I know what a L40SX is. Is that
the laptop that IBM
used to make? If so I know where there's one at and I think it has docs
with it. If that's the same machine then I may be able to try out this one
and/or see what the docs say.
Joe, it's a PS/2 made in 1991 and was the first real laptop made by
IBM I believe after the Convertible.
Gene
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4:57 a.m.
New subject: L40SX questions
Gene,
I'm pretty sure that's the same machine that's down here. I'll get it
and see what I can find out.
Joe
At 11:42 PM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
At 11:10 PM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
------------------
I'm not sure that I know what a L40SX is. Is
that the laptop that IBM
used to make? If so I know where there's one at and I think it has docs
with it. If that's the same machine then I may be able to try out this one
and/or see what the docs say.
Joe, it's a PS/2 made in 1991 and was the first real laptop made by
IBM I believe after the Convertible.
Gene
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26 Mar
26 Mar
5:34 a.m.
New subject: L40SX questions
Gene,
Are you the one that had the questiuons about the L 40? I picked up the
L 40 that my friend had and I may be able to answer your questions. I also
found another L 40 in a scrap place but didn't get it since they wanted too
much for it and the case was separated and it had been out in the weather
for a while. I did get the battery from it though. My friend's L 40 has the
case, the reference disk, the Hardware Maintenance Service booklet, the
Technical Reference book, the mouse and a 12 DC automobile charger with it.
Joe
At 11:42 PM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
At 11:10 PM 3/7/01 -0500, you wrote:
------------------
I'm not sure that I know what a L40SX is. Is
that the laptop that IBM
used to make? If so I know where there's one at and I think it has docs
with it. If that's the same machine then I may be able to try out this one
and/or see what the docs say.
Joe, it's a PS/2 made in 1991 and was the first real laptop made by
IBM I believe after the Convertible.
Gene
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7 Mar
7 Mar
7:47 a.m.
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, John Foust wrote:
Why fault Microsoft for making products that are
popular and common?
You might as well blame Ford for drunk drivers. I agree that Outlook
shouldn't expose its address book, and there's slim reason to
encourage the naive, easily-fooled hordes to click on executable
attachments, but it's far easier to lob criticism than it is to design
full-featured mail programs and operating systems that are
virus-proof.
If MS would just give us the source code, we could fix it for them.
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10:05 a.m.
Why fault Microsoft for making products that are
popular and common?
(1) Their products' popularity and commonness is largely *not* a result of the
product's quality.
(2) Their products are designed for idiots. Computers are tools for smart
people. Should we let evolution gradually filter out stupid people from the
species, or should we allow them to be our least common denominator, thereby
limiting the power of the species as a whole?
(3) Their software engineers have given far too much design control to their
marketing droids.
(4) Think Britney Spears, but only in software.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)ou.edu
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft advertisement
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
11:34 a.m.
New subject: Microsoft bashing
I changed the topic. My mail server rejected the posting because it claims
to contain a variant of the LoveLetter virus.
the
Why fault
Microsoft for making products that are popular and common?
(1) Their products' popularity and commonness is largely *not* a result of product's quality.
Their products are the result of one man's business acumen. I won't argue
the worthness/worthlessness of Microsoft products, that's an exercise in
futility. Microsoft was in the right place at the right time. Had it been
otherwise, we'd probably be running CP/M-2001 and complaining about the same
thing.
(2) Their products are designed for idiots. Computers are tools for smart
people. Should we let evolution gradually filter out stupid people from
the
species, or should we allow them to be our least
common denominator,
thereby
limiting the power of the species as a whole?
I have no belief in evolution, but this arguement is silly. You can apply
this to any technology. Would you have been at Gutenberg's door with torches
and pitchforks, shouting that books were for "smart people"? Do you blame
him for giving stupid people access to what had traditionally been reserved
for the realm of the universities?
Under this argument, we should also blame the likes of IBM, or Commodore,
Apple and Atari for bringing computing to the masses? Blame Microsoft all
you want, and remember that these machines also ran Microsoft products.
1:16 p.m.
New subject: Microsoft bashing
I have no belief in evolution, but this arguement is
silly. You can
apply this to any technology. Would you have been at Gutenberg's
door with torches and pitchforks, shouting that books were for
"smart people"? Do you blame him for giving stupid people access to
what had traditionally been reserved for the realm of the
universities?
Just because you're not at university does not mean that you are stupid.
Under this argument, we should also blame the likes of
IBM, or
Commodore, Apple and Atari for bringing computing to the masses?
No, because the masses aren't necessarily stupid. I would argue that those
machines were more about bringing the masses cheaper machines, so that more
smart people would be able to learn about computing.
--
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jss(a)ou.edu
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft advertisement
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
2:07 p.m.
New subject: Microsoft bashing
At this point, I respectfully request your defination of "stupid" and
"smart".
Bill Gates isn't stupid. If he is, he's riding the stupid train straight to
the bank - the head of one of the top technologies companies in the world,
let alone being one of the richest men in the world. I don't think stupidity
got him there, even if he isn't 37337.
Were the people who wrote smtp stupid, or delivering stupidity to the
masses? All I need to mention is Robert Morris here. And there are tons of
other holes in all other computer systems, some more blatent than others.
Just FYI, my rent and food is paid by supporting technology. Be that
Microsoft products (which I do support), or others like Linux and FreeBSD
(which I also do support). Just as an example of how indifferent I am to the
whole MS vs. the world thing, if you to know my opinion what a perfect world
would be, it would be one dominated by VMS. And I am serious. (the VMS of
the DEC era before Compaq "aquired" them).
If it wasn't Microsoft, it would be someone else, and we'd be bashing on
them right now.
Just because you're not at university does not mean that you are stupid.
those
Under this argument, we should also blame the
likes of IBM, or
Commodore, Apple and Atari for bringing computing to the masses?
No, because the masses aren't necessarily stupid. I would argue that machines were more about bringing the masses cheaper
machines, so that
more
smart people would be able to learn about computing.
And how does one get "smart", unless one has readily available technology?
Remember, those people you call "smart" were once those same people you
callously label "stupid", but they had to start somewhere.
11:38 a.m.
(4) Think Britney Spears, but only in software.
Britney Spears does have a nice software package, yes. Wait, am I allowed to
say that with the microphone on?
;-)
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2:38 p.m.
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
I like her recent upgrade :)
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(4) Think
Britney Spears, but only in software.
Britney Spears does have a nice software package, yes. Wait, am I allowed to
say that with the microphone on? 
12:11 p.m.
New subject: Nuke Virus Alert !!!
> Why fault Microsoft for making products that are
popular and common?
Millions of people make a very good living off the nasty bug ridden
software microsoft creates, either through sales of replacements, or
support of the current mess. Most of these people are not stupid, ie like
the person that pursuaded an office to convert to macs, and was fired 6
months later when they had no need for a full time support person.
Microsoft cultivates this mercenary corp very carefully, and gives it lots
of perks etc. If you get on the mailing list you will get plenty of offers
for seminars, both free and paid, that will show you how to make a LOT of
money promoting MS software. I'm not even suggesting these people are in
any way dishonest, they get a thorough brainwashing on the microsoft way.
The more saavy people are a bit cynical, pointing out the huge holes in new
MS products among themselves, with comments like "this ones going to buy me
a new BMW".
1:51 p.m.
At 03:05 PM 3/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
(1) Their products' popularity and commonness is
largely *not* a result of the
product's quality.
As any corporate droid can tell you, "quality" is
satisfaction of user's perceived needs. It's not to be
confused with the nerd's idea of technical superiority.
(2) Their products are designed for idiots. Computers
are tools for smart
people. Should we let evolution gradually filter out stupid people from the
species, or should we allow them to be our least common denominator, thereby
limiting the power of the species as a whole?
You don't get out much, do you? Have you ever met someone
who doesn't use a computer daily, or who only uses one
begrudgingly at work? Most Microsoft products have too
many features, which isn't what I'd call "idiot" software.
"Idiot" software is something like Adobe PhotoDeluxe,
where you can't do a thing without a wizard.
(3) Their software engineers have given far too much
design control to their
marketing droids.
A marketroid is incapable of specifying the blatant
security holes they've added to their products. It's the
job of the programmer to do it right.
(4) Think Britney Spears, but only in software.
Oops, they did it again?
- John
6 p.m.
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, John Foust wrote:
At 03:05 PM 3/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
No, "quality" is doing WELL what the package purports that it can do!
- don
(1) Their products' popularity and commonness
is largely *not* a result of the
product's quality.
As any corporate droid can tell you, "quality" is
satisfaction of user's perceived needs. It's not to be
confused with the nerd's idea of technical superiority. (2) Their
products are designed for idiots. Computers are tools for smart
people. Should we let evolution gradually filter out stupid people from the
species, or should we allow them to be our least common denominator, thereby
limiting the power of the species as a whole?
You don't get out much, do you? Have you ever met someone
who doesn't use a computer daily, or who only uses one
begrudgingly at work? Most Microsoft products have too
many features, which isn't what I'd call "idiot" software.
"Idiot" software is something like Adobe PhotoDeluxe,
where you can't do a thing without a wizard.
(3) Their software engineers have given far too
much design control to their
marketing droids.
A marketroid is incapable of specifying the blatant
security holes they've added to their products. It's the
job of the programmer to do it right.
(4) Think Britney Spears, but only in software.
Oops, they did it again?
- John
5:12 p.m.
At 10:47 AM 3/7/01 -0800, Sellam wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, John Foust wrote:
Don't you mean that you could fix them?
Joe
Why fault Microsoft for making products that are
popular and common?
You might as well blame Ford for drunk drivers. I agree that Outlook
shouldn't expose its address book, and there's slim reason to
encourage the naive, easily-fooled hordes to click on executable
attachments, but it's far easier to lob criticism than it is to design
full-featured mail programs and operating systems that are
virus-proof.
If MS would just give us the source code, we could fix it for them.
7:58 a.m.
John Foust skrev:
Why fault Microsoft for making products that are
popular and common?
Becuase they make worthless manure, that's why!
You might as well blame Ford for drunk drivers. I
agree that Outlook
shouldn't expose its address book, and there's slim reason to encourage
the naive, easily-fooled hordes to click on executable attachments, but
it's far easier to lob criticism than it is to design full-featured
mail programs and operating systems that are virus-proof.
It's rather like blaming Ford for equipping their cars qith worthless tyres
which explode when stressed.
A short list of M$ Outlook's crimes:
*HTML pollution
*HTML/Javascript "virus" weaknesses
*Non-standard reply headers like SV: and R:
*Upside down replys without proper attribution lines or quoting tags
The second point is only destructive for Outlook users themselves, whereas
points one, three and four are making the net a less pleasant place for the
rest of us.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
"Real life is full of idiots, and tons of ads. I don't see how IRC is any
different, other than a lot more people want to have sex with you."
-- m3000
2:01 p.m.
At 07:58 PM 3/7/01 +0100, you wrote:
It's rather like blaming Ford for equipping their
cars qith worthless tyres
which explode when stressed.
To me the real problem is how long it will take to
either educate users into never running attachments,
or convincing the dominant mail program maker that
allowing mail users to run attachments is a bad idea.
I've been surprised that viruses with Back Orifice -style
payloads haven't been more popular. I'd find it far more
interesting to see the contents of thousands of hard drives,
than to just erase a few files, rearrange file associations,
or do the obvious like sending out dozens of e-mails quickly.
- John
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