31 Oct
2019
31 Oct
'19
9:38 a.m.
someone just posted this on twitter
they seem to have sent an email to everyone and didn't bother to mention this
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/getmydata
31 Oct
31 Oct
9:52 a.m.
someone just posted this on twitter they seem to have
sent an email
to everyone and didn't bother to mention this
I'm subscribed to five or six on the account I used to try that
"service". They eventually (day or two later) sent me the "your
download is ready" email, and when I logged in, the page said my
download was ready and that there was nothing there. Hard to tell for
sure whether they're just under load and the process is fragile, or if
what I saw means "when we packaged up all the stuff from the groups you
own, there was nothing in the package".
This tool has worked well for me:
https://github.com/IgnoredAmbience/yahoo-group-archiver
FWIW.
De
11:27 a.m.
On 10/31/19 9:52 AM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote:
This tool has worked well for me:
https://github.com/IgnoredAmbience/yahoo-group-archiver
It looks like they did some work on it since the last time I
tried to make it work, and managed to get it going this morning.
It's retriving around 5 messages/sec. Going to take a while to
get the 10 groups I've been following.
noon
Al,
I have archived several groups files, messages (as .eml) and images. Let me know off list
which you want.
Dave
G4UGM
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
cctalk
Sent: 31 October 2019 18:28
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: getting your data from yahoo
On 10/31/19 9:52 AM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote:
This tool has worked well for me:
https://github.com/IgnoredAmbience/yahoo-group-archiver
It looks like they did some work on it since the last time I tried to make it work,
and managed to get it going this morning.
It's retriving around 5 messages/sec. Going to take a while to get the 10 groups
I've been following.
3:02 p.m.
On 10/31/19 11:27 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> It's retriving around 5 messages/sec. Going to take a while to
> get the 10 groups I've been following.
Looks like their servers are starting to
overload.
About one attempt to get a message out of five is now getting a 550 internal
server error, and there are no retries. It also starts over from the beginning
if you try running it again.
3:10 p.m.
On Oct 31, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 10/31/19 11:27 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> It's retriving around 5 messages/sec. Going to take a while to
> get the 10 groups I've been following.
Looks like their servers are starting to
overload.
About one attempt to get a message out of five is now getting a 550 internal
server error, and there are no retries. It also starts over from the beginning
if you try running it again.
I?m not surprised, I?m currently trying to migrate a Photography email list from Yahoo to
Groups.io. It?s painfully slow going, and all I?m doing at this time is to wait for the
process on the groups.io side to start, they?ve moved 100 or so groups in the last few
days.
Zane
3:09 p.m.
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 1:53 PM Al Kossow via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
It's retriving around 5 messages/sec. Going to
take a while to
get the 10 groups I've been following.
I've had good success with this one for just messages
http://yahoogroupedia.pbworks.com/w/page/93006447/Chrome%20Application%20To…
In one case it died at around 30K messages, but since it lets you
specify a starting message #, it was easy to resume where it left off.
j
11:39 a.m.
El jue., 31 oct. 2019 a las 17:52, Dennis Boone via cctalk (<
cctalk at classiccmp.org>) escribi?:
Just in case, I've saved all the contents of my Yahoogroups subscriptions
with another utility, PG Offliner, available here:
http://www.personalgroupware.com/downloads.htm
This other one in Python looks interesting.
Gracias | Regards - Saludos | Greetings | Freundliche Gr??e | Salutations
--
*Sergio Pedraja*
someone just
posted this on twitter they seem to have sent an email
to everyone and didn't bother to mention this
This tool has worked well for me:
https://github.com/IgnoredAmbience/yahoo-group-archiver 
4 Dec
4 Dec
2:46 p.m.
New subject: DECpc 425SE
I'm working on a DECpc 425SE right now and I've not been able to find
any useful documentation.
The laptop seems to work but has a BIOS password set. I suspect that if
I remove the button cell then it will forget the password (or at least
that's my hope).
The main battery comes out. There's no sign of leakage. It's a SANYO
8HR-4/3A (510295-001).
The button cell looks very much like it is soldered in. It's
approximately 12mm in diameter. I've read numerous warnings not to go to
near a button cell with a soldering iron so I'm not really keen to do
that, especially as I don't know for sure that it will fix the problem.
I've looked for a password reset jumper of pads but I can't see one.
I think someone has been here before me as the four screws that hold the
two halves of the unit together are all missing.
Any hints welcome.
Thanks
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio at acarlini.com
4:33 p.m.
New subject: DECpc 425SE
On Dec 4, 2019, at 5:46 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
...
The button cell looks very much like it is soldered in. It's approximately 12mm in
diameter. I've read numerous warnings not to go to near a button cell with a soldering
iron so I'm not really keen to do that, especially as I don't know for sure that
it will fix the problem.
I'm curious what the reason is for that warning. After all, the thing was soldered in
to begin with; it certainly won't mind the heat. You'd want to make sure you
don't short it out while doing it, of course; some insulating tape might help with
that.
paul
4:36 p.m.
New subject: DECpc 425SE
...
The button cell looks very much like it is soldered in. It's approximately 12mm in
diameter. I've read numerous warnings not to go to near a button cell with a soldering
iron so I'm not really keen to do that, especially as I don't know for sure that
it will fix the problem.
I'm curious what the reason is for that warning. After all, the thing was soldered
in to begin with; it certainly won't mind the heat. You'd want to make sure you
don't short it out while doing it, of course; some insulating tape might help with
that.
4:53 p.m.
New subject: DECpc 425SE
On 05/12/2019 00:36, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote:
>> ...
>> The button cell looks very much like it is soldered in. It's approximately
12mm in diameter. I've read numerous warnings not to go to near a button cell with a
soldering iron so I'm not really keen to do that, especially as I don't know for
sure that it will fix the problem.
> I'm curious what the reason is for that warning. After all, the thing was
soldered in to begin with; it certainly won't mind the heat. You'd want to make
sure you don't short it out while doing it, of course; some insulating tape might help
with that.
>
There are plenty of warnings, e.g.:
http://www.cr2032.co/soldering-article.html
Many years ago I removed the soldered coin cell from the control board of the Compaq 7000
series and replaced it with a 2032 coin cell holder, worked nicely so I can?t see why it
wouldn?t work in this DECivetti monstrosity.
Well I suppose removing it means unsoldering the two tabs from the
motherboard rather than unsoldering the tabs from the cell, so maybe
I'll give that a go. Then I could work out what the battery is, get a
suitable holder and solder that in.
It would, however, be much more useful if a manual turned up and I could
just perform a system reset and get past the password that way!
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio at acarlini.com
5:08 p.m.
New subject: DECpc 425SE
On Dec 4, 2019, at 7:53 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 05/12/2019 00:36, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote:
Ok, but that's different, it talks about soldering directly to the cell.
>> ...
>> The button cell looks very much like it is soldered in. It's approximately
12mm in diameter. I've read numerous warnings not to go to near a button cell with a
soldering iron so I'm not really keen to do that, especially as I don't know for
sure that it will fix the problem.
> I'm curious what the reason is for that warning. After all, the thing was
soldered in to begin with; it certainly won't mind the heat. You'd want to make
sure you don't short it out while doing it, of course; some insulating tape might help
with that.
>
There are plenty of warnings, e.g.: http://www.cr2032.co/soldering-article.html Many years ago
I removed the soldered coin cell from the control board of the Compaq 7000 series and
replaced it with a 2032 coin cell holder, worked nicely so I can?t see why it wouldn?t
work in this DECivetti monstrosity.
Well I suppose removing it means unsoldering the two tabs from the motherboard rather
than unsoldering the tabs from the cell, so maybe I'll give that a go. Then I could
work out what the battery is, get a suitable holder and solder that in.
It would, however, be much more useful if a manual turned up and I could just perform a
system reset and get past the password that way!
5:17 p.m.
New subject: DECpc 425SE
Many years ago
I removed the soldered coin cell from the control board of the Compaq 7000 series and
replaced it with a 2032 coin cell holder, worked nicely so I can?t see why it wouldn?t
work in this DECivetti monstrosity.
Well I suppose removing it means unsoldering the two tabs from the motherboard rather
than unsoldering the tabs from the cell, so maybe I'll give that a go. Then I could
work out what the battery is, get a suitable holder and solder that in. It would, however, be much more useful if a manual
turned up and I could just perform a system reset and get past the password that way!
I wish I could help. I only ever worked on those when they were new.
--
Adrian Graham
Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection?
t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
5 Dec
5 Dec
6:18 a.m.
New subject: DECpc 425SE
With the solder tabs you are not soldering directly to the case, you are soldering to the
tab.
If you try to solder to the case, the electrolyte will evaporate causing excess pressure
in the case. This will burst the seal. For a lithium coin cell this can mean a fire.
As was mentioned, the solder tabs are usually spot welded to the case. The heat is
momentary and little pressure is created in the cell.
Dwight
________________________________
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Adrian Graham via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:17 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: DECpc 425SE
Yep. I?d never try and fasten tabs to batteries, they?re flash welded rather than
soldered. Someone on hackaday reckoned they had a procedure to do it but fitting holders
instead is so much easier.
Many years ago
I removed the soldered coin cell from the control board of the Compaq 7000 series and
replaced it with a 2032 coin cell holder, worked nicely so I can?t see why it wouldn?t
work in this DECivetti monstrosity.
Well I suppose removing it means unsoldering the two tabs from the motherboard rather
than unsoldering the tabs from the cell, so maybe I'll give that a go. Then I could
work out what the battery is, get a suitable holder and solder that in. It would, however, be much more useful if a manual
turned up and I could just perform a system reset and get past the password that way!
I wish I could help. I only ever worked on those when they were new.
--
Adrian Graham
Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer collection?
t: @binarydinosaurs f: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk<http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk>
7 Dec
7 Dec
10:10 a.m.
New subject: DECpc 425SE
On 05/12/2019 14:18, dwight via cctalk wrote:
With the solder tabs you are not soldering directly to
the case, you are soldering to the tab.
If you try to solder to the case, the electrolyte will evaporate causing excess pressure
in the case. This will burst the seal. For a lithium coin cell this can mean a fire.
As was mentioned, the solder tabs are usually spot welded to the case. The heat is
momentary and little pressure is created in the cell.
I've dismantled the machine enough now to get the mainboard out. Right
behind the cell on the opposite side of the PCB? are expansion memory
boards. Between those and the PCB is a black square of insulating
plastic that is tackily glued to the PCB. That lifts up easily enough.
There are plenty of components on this side of the PCB too. It looks
like one tab is? right by the label "R337" and the other is between the
"R346" and "R351" labels. Just in case anyone else ever follows this
path :-)
I'm going to set it to one side for now and get to the same stage with
the Acorn A3000 (which looks OK but the battery really has to come out
now ... it will eventually fail I suppose).
I might as well tackle both at the same time ...
Maybe I'll take photos as I put it back together, sort of "Haynes manual
in reverse".
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio at acarlini.com
10 Dec
10 Dec
2:05 p.m.
New subject: DECpc 425SE
On 07/12/2019 18:10, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote:
I'm going to set it to one side for now and get to the same stage with
the Acorn A3000 (which looks OK but the battery really has to come out
now ... it will eventually fail I suppose).
I might as well tackle both at the same time ...
I've unsoldered the battery lugs from the PCB and removed the battery
that way. The PCB has the +ve side marked (it's the end by R337).
Once I mechanically peeled the lugs off the battery I could see the
battery is a 3V Panasonic VL1220 rechargeable Lithium Vanadium Pentoxide
and they're still available on eBay and Farnell (and probably everywhere
else too ...).
If I'm going to replace it I'd prefer to do it in a way that leaves it
(more) easily removable, so that if I decide that the machine goes back
in a box, it can do so without a ticking time-bomb in it!
I think I want to find a suitable "IC-socket-style" connector (well,
connectors I guess) that I can solder to the PCB and then slot a battery
into. I guess it needs to be quite low profile to avoid fouling when it
all gets put back together.
An alternative might be to use a small push-fit socket for the battery,
hide that somewhere convenient in the system (I think there is room by
the HDD) and then use flying leads back to the PCB.
Any ideas (I'm not sure of what terms to feed a search engine ...)
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio at acarlini.com
1 Nov
1 Nov
1:46 a.m.
Al,
I think that?s for GDPR and returns only the data you have posted.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Al Kossow via
cctalk
Sent: 31 October 2019 16:39
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: getting your data from yahoo
someone just posted this on twitter
they seem to have sent an email to everyone and didn't bother to mention this
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/getmydata
2:54 a.m.
El vie., 1 nov. 2019 a las 9:46, Dave Wade via cctalk (<
cctalk at classiccmp.org>) escribi?:
Al,
I think that?s for GDPR and returns only the data you have posted.
Dave
At least by now, I have saved the entire contents (with the exception of
"databases" but I guess is a matter of permissions in the rare cases
I've
found one DB associated to one group in Yahoo). I am using the Personal
Groupware Tool that I linked some posts before.
Regards
Sergio
6:33 p.m.
OK, Yahoo took more than 24 hours, but finally handed me a link to download my e-mail.
It's a 462MB .archive file. zcat tells me that it's multipart, and only unloads
the first part (which contains about 10 messages as .eml files).
What tool do I use to look at the contents of this verschlagener file?
Thanks,
Rich
Rich Alderson
Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Ave S
Seattle, WA 98134
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
2 Nov
2 Nov
7:08 a.m.
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
What tool do I use to look at the contents of this
verschlagener file?
I also asked for and got one of these files. Mine took something like 30
hours, and gave me a 584 MB .zip file. I tried it using a Windows 10
machine, and it consists of directories, each with the name of a group I'm
subscribed to. Opening each directory, there are one or more .zip files
in it; for example, files.zip, links.zip, and messages.zip are in one I'm
looking at now. files.zip contains the files without further
complication, with their directory structure from Yahoo maintained.
links.zip contains .url files. messages.zip contains files of the format
1959542.mbox.00001, 1959542.mbox.00002, 1959542.mbox.00003, etc. These
seem to be 10 MB (uncompressed) chunks of the concatenated messages, in
plaintext format as email messages. I haven't tried feeding them to
something like Pine, but it would appear to be compatible. Email
addresses appear to be intact, with the exception of one group I looked at
with messages back into 1999 (perhaps they started on egroups or
something). The one thing that does not appear to be there is photos,
unless they were stored as "files."
Overall, it's exactly what I would have hoped to get, with the exception
of the photos.
Richard Schauer
9:34 a.m.
I also asked for and got one of these files. Mine
took something like
30
hours, and gave me a 584 MB .zip file. I tried it using a Windows 10
machine, and it consists of directories, each with the name of a group
I'm
subscribed to. Opening each directory, there are one or more .zip
files
in it; for example, files.zip, links.zip, and messages.zip are in one
I'm
looking at now. files.zip contains the files without further
complication, with their directory structure from Yahoo maintained.
links.zip contains .url files. messages.zip contains files of the
format
1959542.mbox.00001, 1959542.mbox.00002, 1959542.mbox.00003, etc. These
seem to be 10 MB (uncompressed) chunks of the concatenated messages, in
plaintext format as email messages. I haven't tried feeding them to
something like Pine, but it would appear to be compatible. Email
addresses appear to be intact, with the exception of one group I looked
at
with messages back into 1999 (perhaps they started on egroups or
something). The one thing that does not appear to be there is photos,
unless they were stored as "files."
Overall, it's exactly what I would have hoped to get, with the
exception
of the photos.
I had the same experience, although mine was much smaller (only one group,
not very active and not with many files). Overall very painless.
-All
6 Nov
6 Nov
12:23 p.m.
From: Richard Schauer
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2019 7:08 AM
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
> What tool do I use to look at the contents of this
verschlagener file?
I also asked for and got one of these files. Mine
took something like 30
hours, and gave me a 584 MB .zip file. I tried it using a Windows 10
machine, and it consists of directories, each with the name of a group I'm
subscribed to.
Thanks, Richard! That was sufficient hint.
I simply renamed the downloaded file with a .zip extension, and Windows 7 gave
it a compressed folder icon and opened it right up on a double click.
Rich
Rich Alderson
Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computers: Museum + Labs
2245 1st Ave S
Seattle, WA 98134
http://www.LivingComputers.org/
7:23 p.m.
New subject: OT: A spring trip!
Hello all,
I am looking for someone in the Reedsburg, WI area that would like
to take a road trip out West come this spring. Say sometime in late May
or early June. If you are interested please let me know. Non-smoker only.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
Richard R. Pope
1230 19th Street #5
Reedsburg, WI 53959, USA
1-608-768-7448
mechanic_2 at charter.net
7:58 p.m.
New subject: OT: A spring trip!
Hello all,
BTW: Reedsburg area includes Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison,
Minneapolis, Dubuque, or any other towns or cities within 300 miles.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/6/2019 9:23 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking for someone in the Reedsburg, WI area that would like
to take a road trip out West come this spring. Say sometime in late
May or early June. If you are interested please let me know.
Non-smoker only.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
Richard R. Pope
1230 19th Street #5
Reedsburg, WI 53959, USA
1-608-768-7448
mechanic_2 at charter.net
7 Nov
7 Nov
2:10 p.m.
New subject: OT: A spring trip!
It is unlikely that I would be able to accompany you, but thought I
would drop a line anyway. Being in Madtown, I'd certainly be in your
geographic area.
But, out of curiosity: How long a road trip, and for what purpose?
JRJ
On 11/6/2019 9:58 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Hello all,
??? BTW: Reedsburg area includes Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison,
Minneapolis, Dubuque, or any other towns or cities within 300 miles.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/6/2019 9:23 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
Hello all,
??? I am looking for someone in the Reedsburg, WI area that would like
to take a road trip out West come this spring. Say sometime in late
May or early June. If you are interested please let me know.
Non-smoker only.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
Richard R. Pope
1230 19th Street #5
Reedsburg, WI 53959, USA
1-608-768-7448
mechanic_2 at charter.net
4:03 p.m.
New subject: OT: A spring trip!
Jay,
Whoever decided to go would have input on where and how long. I
thought by having someone along would allow us to share the experience
and the expenses, especially the cost of the gasoline. I am open to also
going to NYC and DC or down South to Florida or Texas. I am very easy to
travel with. If the person with me says hey let's take that road I am
open to saying Sure, why not!
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!
On 11/7/2019 4:10 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk wrote:
It is unlikely that I would be able to accompany you,
but thought I
would drop a line anyway. Being in Madtown, I'd certainly be in your
geographic area.
But, out of curiosity: How long a road trip, and for what purpose?
JRJ
On 11/6/2019 9:58 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
> Hello all,
> BTW: Reedsburg area includes Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison,
> Minneapolis, Dubuque, or any other towns or cities within 300 miles.
> GOD Bless and Thanks,
> rich!
>
> On 11/6/2019 9:23 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I am looking for someone in the Reedsburg, WI area that would like
>> to take a road trip out West come this spring. Say sometime in late
>> May or early June. If you are interested please let me know.
>> Non-smoker only.
>> GOD Bless and Thanks,
>>
>> Richard R. Pope
>> 1230 19th Street #5
>> Reedsburg, WI 53959, USA
>> 1-608-768-7448
>> mechanic_2 at charter.net
>>
>
2:16 p.m.
On 11/6/2019 2:23 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
From: Richard Schauer
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2019 7:08 AM
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
Pffft. I sent them my request on 11/2. Still no file. I got an email
that they would notify me when it was done - no email yet - so I went to
the site again today and it indicates that they are still processing my
request.
> What tool do I use to look at the contents of
this verschlagener file?
I also asked for and got one of these files.
Mine took something like 30
hours, and gave me a 584 MB .zip file. I tried it using a Windows 10
machine, and it consists of directories, each with the name of a group I'm
subscribed to.
Thanks, Richard! That was sufficient hint.
I simply renamed the downloaded file with a .zip extension, and Windows 7 gave
it a compressed folder icon and opened it right up on a double click.
Rich 
4 Nov
4 Nov
7:35 p.m.
On 11/1/2019 6:33 PM, Rich Alderson via cctalk wrote:
What tool do I use to look at the contents of this
verschlagener file?
Rich,
with some degree of luck, Thunderbird will process it.? At least it used
to.? the mbox format is pretty much what they used to use.
I create a folder of some sort with Thunderbird open.? Then I close out
all vestiges of it.? Then find your profile directory, and navigate
to the directory you created in your account.
Drop your mbox file in there and restart Thunderbird.
I don't know when they modified it to use databases, you may need to go
back some number of revisions of Thunderbird to get to that.
thanks
Jim
7:37 p.m.
On 10/31/2019 9:38 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
someone just posted this on twitter
they seem to have sent an email to everyone and didn't bother to mention this
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/getmydata
I got a link from them 24 hours later.? So
far the main difference
between my own constructed archives is that the email archive is either
json files, (Cameron's archive tool), or in individual eml files (Dave
Wade's tool).
The files all seem to be supplied.
I ended up with 4.5gb of data, and about 40 groups.
thanks
Jim
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