22 Mar
2000
22 Mar
'00
4:37 p.m.
Does anyone know if any FOCAL (DEC originals or otherwise) documentation is
online?
I am delighted to find someone with this software. I would have been
satisfied with a printed hex dump, but if you have the manual and the
source code, yee-haw! When you find it please contact me. I'll take
photocopies, faxes, scans, .PDF, anything. As far as being
"machine-readable", for the KIM that would be paper tape or cassette tape;
neither are as useful as a "human-readable" version. I found the Denver
Area 6502 Group on the web at www.6502group.com; so far they have not been
able to help me with FOCAL. www.6502.org has no leads to it that I could
find.
I want to get this stuff to run on my Apple IIe. I am interested in any
KIM/SYM/AIM/6502 software that folks might have, especially with source
code. Anyone have issues of MICRO (the 6502 journal) they want to get rid
of? I do have the Best of MICRO, vols 1-3 and a few separate issues
(#73-76), plus the MICRO on the Apple vols 1-3.
Paul R. Santa-Maria
Ann Arbor, Michigan USA
paulrsm(a)ameritech.net
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From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: KIM/6502 code (was ClassicCmp paper tape)
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 08:48 PM
I don't know that anyone has machine-readables of the FOCAL interpreter
that
was cooked up in the Denver Area 6502 group, but I do
believe I have a
printed manual and a printed listing of the interpreter. I'm quite
certain
that I won't be able to find it until well into
spring, however. Now
that
many of us have scanners, new life is breathed into
software available
only
in the printed listings.
Frankly, I hope someone has machine readable files of these items, but
I'm
not aware of them.
Dick
22 Mar
22 Mar
5:34 p.m.
The Denver 6502 Group's web site is very new and, even so, I would not hold
out much hope for the appearance of this software in any form, as nobody has
used it in just about 20 years. The way I remember it, FOCAL was the first
interpreter, and in fact, the first high level language that the group had
as a common resource. Nevertheless, after the day the Apple Basic was
modified/adapted for general use, nobody even mentioned FOCAL again except
perhaps in a historical reference.
Though the group back then (1978) had a couple of JOLT users, nobody ever
showed up with or talked about a KIM, with one exception, and he only did
that once, as nobody seems to have shared his interest.
In early '79, after the Apple users more or less split off in order to form
a group of their own, a set of listings of what was then the current
generation of the stuff various group members, mostly the same three or four
guys, was printed for those of the group who wanted it. Some people
preferred microfiche . . . In any case that was the last time a full set of
listings of the group's output was generated. In fact, aside from
revisions of the XPL0 compiler and the APEX OS software, nothing further was
generated, as the hardware interest seems to have died off.
I know I have the complete set of listings, but it may not surface for a
while.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul R. Santa-Maria <paulrsm(a)ameritech.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 8:37 PM
Subject: FOCAL (was: KIM/6502 code)
Does anyone know if any FOCAL (DEC originals or
otherwise) documentation
is
online?
I am delighted to find someone with this software. I would have been
satisfied with a printed hex dump, but if you have the manual and the
source code, yee-haw! When you find it please contact me. I'll take
photocopies, faxes, scans, .PDF, anything. As far as being
"machine-readable", for the KIM that would be paper tape or cassette tape;
neither are as useful as a "human-readable" version. I found the Denver
Area 6502 Group on the web at www.6502group.com; so far they have not been
able to help me with FOCAL. www.6502.org has no leads to it that I could
find.
I want to get this stuff to run on my Apple IIe. I am interested in any
KIM/SYM/AIM/6502 software that folks might have, especially with source
code. Anyone have issues of MICRO (the 6502 journal) they want to get rid
of? I do have the Best of MICRO, vols 1-3 and a few separate issues
(#73-76), plus the MICRO on the Apple vols 1-3.
Paul R. Santa-Maria
Ann Arbor, Michigan USA
paulrsm(a)ameritech.net
----------
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: KIM/6502 code (was ClassicCmp paper tape)
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 08:48 PM
I don't know that anyone has machine-readables of the FOCAL interpreter
that
was cooked up in the Denver Area 6502 group, but
I do believe I have a
printed manual and a printed listing of the interpreter. I'm quite
certain
that I won't be able to find it until well
into spring, however. Now
that
many of us have scanners, new life is breathed
into software available
only
in the printed listings.
Frankly, I hope someone has machine readable files of these items, but
I'm
not aware of them.
Dick
23 Mar
23 Mar
3:38 a.m.
::I know I have the complete set of listings, but it may not surface for a
::while.
If you do find the FOCAL listings, I wouldn't mind seeing them, either.
Maybe they should be slapped up on a website somewhere. (Earl, I'll
gladly start a KIM-1 page on retrobits. :-)
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4:08 a.m.
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
::I know I have the complete set of listings, but it
may not surface for a
::while.
If you do find the FOCAL listings, I wouldn't mind seeing them, either.
Maybe they should be slapped up on a website somewhere. (Earl, I'll
gladly start a KIM-1 page on retrobits. :-)
I'd like to see this too. Because I have a kim-1 and also PDP-8 and 8080
systems that FOCAL is available for. I'd like to have a set. ;)
Allison
5:27 a.m.
Please keepin mind that the printed source listing that I have is not a KIM
version but rather one that Wayne Wall wrote, based on the DEC interpreter.
It loads at either 0x200 or 0x800, depending on whether it's the old
Digital-Group-audio-cassette version or the Apple][-running-APEX-compatible
version. In either case, it's got to be public domain, as it was written by
a public employee on public time, though it was for use of Colorado School
of Mines personnel, among others. It may eventually ( if I can influence
the responsible parties) appear on the 6502group.org web site. For that
rason, I expect I'll scan and OCR the things into a pair of text files.
We'll see how long it takes me to find it. Keep in mind I've got a pretty
full plate and am not likely to go on an easter-egg hunt just for that.
Things usually turn up when I'm looking for something else.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: <allisonp(a)world.std.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: FOCAL (was: KIM/6502 code)
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> ::I know I have the complete set of listings, but it may not surface for
a
::while.
If you do find the FOCAL listings, I wouldn't mind seeing them, either.
Maybe they should be slapped up on a website somewhere. (Earl, I'll
gladly start a KIM-1 page on retrobits. :-)
I'd like to see this too. Because I have a kim-1 and also PDP-8 and 8080
systems that FOCAL is available for. I'd like to have a set. ;)
Allison
6:02 a.m.
version. In either case, it's got to be public
domain, as it was written by
a public employee on public time, though it was for use of Colorado School
of Mines personnel, among others. It may eventually ( if I can influence
the responsible parties) appear on the 6502group.org web site. For that
rason, I expect I'll scan and OCR the things into a pair of text files.
The 8080 version was CSM, I know the author personally, it wasn't Wall.
There was some credit grabbing back then. The binaries are a different
matter. The 6502 version is related to this one or different author?
We'll see how long it takes me to find it. Keep
in mind I've got a pretty
full plate and am not likely to go on an easter-egg hunt just for that.
Things usually turn up when I'm looking for something else.
You are not alone. I'm patient too. I wated 20+ years for the Kim-1 I
wanted a little longer, no problem. ;)
Allison
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