11 Jul
2001
11 Jul
'01
4:04 p.m.
My wife has grumbled a bit about my collecting, esp.
when I use the loft in our house as a staging area.
Most of the stuff is either in the computer room or
the garage, but nothing beats being able to spread
a system out on the floor and coffee table to either
repair or build the system.
Before I asked my wife to marry me, I gave her a tour of my storage units,
and the computers I had at my folks (especially the ones in the garage).
Plus I'm the one that came up with the rule that computers are only in the
computer room in our apartment. Although at times there are computers, or
computer related stuff in the entryway or hall.
I've recently decided to limit myself to VAX,
PDP-11,
and Alpha systems. I'm going to be selling off my
CP/M and TRS-80 collection (except for my Cyzern
System 7000 and possibly my very rare Norcom clone).
When I mentioned this to my wife, I was extremely
surprised when she said I should keep the stuff!
I guess that's one of the reasons I love her so
much; she supports my computing habit (she even
bought me my first Alpha).
In my case I'm trimming my collection down to being primarily DEC because
that's what I find myself the most interested in, and spending what time I
have for the hobby on.
The most shocking hobby/wife event happened about a month ago when she told
me that she really wanted to go big swap meet. It wasn't just me that left
with stuff either, she found about as much stuff to bring home as I did (it
just weighed less).
OTOH, a certain part of my interest in collecting classic computers has
shifted over to collecting old video game systems and games, as that's
something we can enjoy together. The scary thing with that is she's
encouraging me to get a Neo Geo arcade machine! Anyone know of any cheap
ones in the Portland, OR area?
Zane
11 Jul
11 Jul
11:54 p.m.
OTOH, a certain part of my interest in collecting
classic computers has
shifted over to collecting old video game systems and games, as that's
something we can enjoy together. The scary thing with that is she's
encouraging me to get a Neo Geo arcade machine! Anyone know of any cheap
ones in the Portland, OR area?
What about running an emulator? I've heard from a couple people that are
building their own game kiosk based on PC emulation.
12 Jul
12 Jul
2:27 a.m.
What about running an emulator? I've heard from a
couple people that are
building their own game kiosk based on PC emulation.
With the way MAME does the arcade cabinet emulations, it
wouldn't be a hard thing to do. You even get to see the cabinet's
power-on self tests, if there are any, when you run a cabinet under
it. Of course, with MAME it doesn't have to be a PC either.......
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8:35 a.m.
OTOH, a certain
part of my interest in collecting classic computers has
shifted over to collecting old video game systems and games, as that's
something we can enjoy together. The scary thing with that is she's
encouraging me to get a Neo Geo arcade machine! Anyone know of any cheap
ones in the Portland, OR area?
What about running an emulator? I've heard from a couple people that are
building their own game kiosk based on PC emulation. 
9:27 a.m.
Arcade System
MAME on a PC hooked up to the TV
Zane, I've got a neat little gadget called a Hotshot. It's basically
wooden tabletop box that's got a pair of arcade controller joysticks and a
bunch of buttons on it. It's a keyboard wedge device so it sits between
the pc and the keyboard. VERY cool gadget. It would be the perfect thing
to build into an arcade cabinet. I just wish I could find the URL for
their site. The version I have is only $119 or so.
g.
10:22 a.m.
Arcade System
MAME on a PC hooked up to the TV
Zane, I've got a neat little gadget called a Hotshot. It's basically
wooden tabletop box that's got a pair of arcade controller joysticks and a
bunch of buttons on it. It's a keyboard wedge device so it sits between
the pc and the keyboard. VERY cool gadget. It would be the perfect thing
to build into an arcade cabinet. I just wish I could find the URL for
their site. The version I have is only $119 or so.
g.
11:08 a.m.
It sounds like the Hotshot and the Hotrod are
basically the same device.
It took some looking, as the "Hotrod" website disappeared just after I
started looking into this, but I just found another site here:
http://www.hanaho.com/products/HotRodJoystick/
Hanaho also sells three different models of MAME cabinets. Pretty cool stuff.
I can see why you can't find anything for Hotshot, searching for that seems
to dig up just about everything else.
That was my mistake. It was indeed the Hotrod and not the Hotshot. I'll
have to check out Hanaho again, I didn't know they were making new
cabinets.
g.
12:47 p.m.
That was my mistake. It was indeed the Hotrod and not
the Hotshot. I'll
have to check out Hanaho again, I didn't know they were making new
cabinets.
g.
The Hotrod does look *VERY* cool, though I'm wondering about the company
that makes it since, like I said, their website just went off the air. If I
go the MAME route, this will be the long-term controller solution most
likely (I'm really not sure what controllers are available on the PC side).
OTOH, I think I know which solution my wife wants. I just got an email from
her, she's apparently been calling around and has found a place locally that
gets Neo Geo Arcade machines in from time to time, and has left our name and
number with them. Which just might get this back on topic for this thread :^)
Zane
1:13 p.m.
The Hotrod does look *VERY* cool, though I'm
wondering about the company
that makes it since, like I said, their website just went off the air. If I
go the MAME route, this will be the long-term controller solution most
likely (I'm really not sure what controllers are available on the PC side).
Actually I was able to get to the HanaHo site with no problems at all
after you posted the URL. The Hotrod IS very cool. You hit one of the
side buttons to drop coins in and go for it. :) I just wish they made a
modular one that had a spinning knob in it so I could play Tempest
*properly*. *laughs*
g.
2:03 p.m.
Actually I was able to get to the HanaHo site with no
problems at all
after you posted the URL. The Hotrod IS very cool. You hit one of the
Hanaho isn't the manufacturer of the Hotrod is it?
side buttons to drop coins in and go for it. :) I
just wish they made a
modular one that had a spinning knob in it so I could play Tempest
*properly*. *laughs*
Oh, I totally agree, as then I'd *have* to get one, that way I could play
Omega Race *properly* :^)
Zane
7:32 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:03:00 -0700 (PDT), Zane H. Healy wrote:
As far as I know they are.
g.
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Actually I was
able to get to the HanaHo site with no problems at
all
after you posted the URL. The Hotrod IS very cool. You hit one
of the
Hanaho isn't the manufacturer of the Hotrod is it?
4:14 p.m.
--- Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> wrote:
Actually I was able to get to the HanaHo site with no
problems at all
after you posted the URL... I just wish they made a modular one that
had a spinning knob in it so I could play Tempest
*properly*. *laughs*
I've torn apart an ancient Microsoft Mouse (it's > 10 years and *on topic*),
mounted the guts upside-down on a block of wood with the X and Y shafts
coming out the top, and turned it into a spinner.
The advantage of the ancient mice is that the quadrature encoder is
mechanical, not optical, and a discrete component. Much easier to
mount than a toothed plastic wheel molded onto a plastic shaft.
Plays Tempest and Star Trek very well under MAME.
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5:51 a.m.
--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
True.
The advantage
of the ancient mice is that the quadrature encoder is
mechanical, not optical, and a discrete component. Much easier to
mount than a toothed plastic wheel molded onto a plastic shaft.
The disadvantage is that the mechanical encoders have a much shorter life
(the contacts wear out). Personally, if I was going to do a mod like this,
I'd probably start from
an old trackball mechanism. They're bigger, easier to work on, and a lot
more solid. Most trackballs have optical encoders, but the parts are
large enough to remount on a new chassis.
That is one way to do it. This mouse was $1. The shaft was strong enough
to screw a knob right to it. The "right" way is to have some gearing and
a flywheel for the right feel for Tempest or Arkanoid, but I did this in
an evening.
You can buy the right thing from places like Happ.
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12 Jul
12 Jul
7:46 p.m.
OTOH, I think I know which solution my wife wants. I
just got an email from
her, she's apparently been calling around and has found a place locally that
gets Neo Geo Arcade machines in from time to time, and has left our name and
number with them. Which just might get this back on topic for this thread :^)
Use some caution, more than few "arcade" stores will rip you off without
mercy. (mostly very inflated prices).
3:39 p.m.
Mike Ford skrev:
>OTOH, a certain part of my interest in collecting
classic computers has
>shifted over to collecting old video game systems and games, as that's
>something we can enjoy together. The scary thing with that is she's
>encouraging me to get a Neo Geo arcade machine! Anyone know of any cheap
>ones in the Portland, OR area?
What about running an emulator? I've heard from a
couple people that are
building their own game kiosk based on PC emulation.
Arcade games are quite an intensive experience, and emulations really can't
live up to that experience. Besides, that would involve some rather expensive
PC equipment anyway, not to mention the sensation of playing a mock-up every
time.
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5:02 p.m.
Arcade games are quite an intensive experience, and
emulations really can't
live up to that experience. Besides, that would involve some rather expensive
PC equipment anyway, not to mention the sensation of playing a mock-up every
time.
MAME and other such emulations are great for those without
the resources to actually posess the actual arcade cabinets. I for
one would love to pick up an original Zaxxon machine but have nowhere
to store such a beast. On a big screen monitor though, MAME comes
pretty darned close, and since it's running the actual ROM code from
the arcade machine, all the programming quirks are there even if some
of the hardware quirks aren't.
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7:02 p.m.
The actual experience doesn't quite compare though, in the case of a game
like Gauntlet where one could insert infinite "virtual" quarters and get all
the life they want. I have a homebuilt MAME cabinet, wired to a coin box, i
think the experience is better, plus i can rip off alll my game-loving
friends.
-Lanny
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Collecting vs. My Wife
>Arcade games are quite an intensive experience,
and emulations really
can't
>live up to that experience. Besides, that would
involve some rather
expensive
>PC equipment anyway, not to mention the sensation
of playing a mock-up
every
time.
MAME and other such emulations are great for those without
the resources to actually posess the actual arcade cabinets. I for
one would love to pick up an original Zaxxon machine but have nowhere
to store such a beast. On a big screen monitor though, MAME comes
pretty darned close, and since it's running the actual ROM code from
the arcade machine, all the programming quirks are there even if some
of the hardware quirks aren't.
Jeff
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8:39 p.m.
New subject: Coin boxes
The actual experience doesn't quite compare though,
in the case of a game
like Gauntlet where one could insert infinite "virtual" quarters and get all
the life they want. I have a homebuilt MAME cabinet, wired to a coin box, i
think the experience is better, plus i can rip off alll my game-loving
friends.
Half a dozen brand new coin boxes showed up recently at a surplus joint I
visit, any interest?
9:38 p.m.
New subject: Coin boxes
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
Half a dozen brand new coin boxes showed up recently
at a surplus joint I
visit, any interest?
Definitely! I'd like to use one to create a coin-operated doorbell or
a coin-operated gate opener! :-) ...of course, for the later, perhaps
it would need to accept tokens that could be given to the mailman.
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13 Jul
13 Jul
12:53 a.m.
New subject: Coin boxes
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
I will get the details next week, and post again. These were units to be
used as replacements in a campus parking system, and a quick quess is that
they weigh around 10 lbs each.
Half a dozen brand new coin boxes showed up
recently at a surplus joint I
visit, any interest?
Definitely! I'd like to use one to create a coin-operated doorbell or
a coin-operated gate opener! :-) ...of course, for the later, perhaps
it would need to accept tokens that could be given to the mailman.
12 Jul
12 Jul
8:01 p.m.
What about
running an emulator? I've heard from a couple people that are
building their own game kiosk based on PC emulation.
Arcade games are quite an intensive experience, and emulations really can't
live up to that experience. Besides, that would involve some rather expensive
PC equipment anyway, not to mention the sensation of playing a mock-up every
time.
13 Jul
13 Jul
12:46 p.m.
Mike Ford skrev:
>>What about running an emulator? I've heard
from a couple people that are
>>building their own game kiosk based on PC emulation.
>
>Arcade games are quite an intensive experience, and emulations really can't
>live up to that experience. Besides, that would involve some rather
>expensive PC equipment anyway, not to mention the sensation of playing a
>mock-up every time.
The good emulations look EXACTLY like the original
games, because they
actually run the original rom code. Fancy controllers and building kiosks
just make the illusion complete.
First of all, there is no such thing as a perfect emulation.
Secondly, even the CRTs differ. Might not matter if you've got bad eyesight,
though.
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10:59 p.m.
The good
emulations look EXACTLY like the original games, because they
actually run the original rom code. Fancy controllers and building kiosks
just make the illusion complete.
First of all, there is no such thing as a perfect emulation.
Secondly, even the CRTs differ. Might not matter if you've got bad eyesight,
though.
14 Jul
14 Jul
4:58 a.m.
Mike Ford skrev:
>>The good emulations look EXACTLY like the
original games, because they
>>actually run the original rom code. Fancy controllers and building kiosks
>>just make the illusion complete.
>
>First of all, there is no such thing as a perfect emulation.
>Secondly, even the CRTs differ. Might not matter if you've got bad eyesight,
>though.
Human eyes at best are no great test to perfect
emulation. Nostalgia for
the original can cloud your perceptions though, fortunately I live in an
area with dozens of huge arcades that include the old games in free
sections. I prefer a modern crt under emulation, to the old TV style
original displays.
Actually, human eyes are the only relevant test to perfect emulation. I
couldn't care less what code was run, it might just as well be a dozen dwarfs
inside the cabinet, peeking poking in real time. It's quite easy to discern
what's a real Neo Geo.
Perhaps is this turning into yet another originality debate. =)
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15 Jul
15 Jul
1:42 p.m.
On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
the original can cloud your perceptions though,
fortunately I live in an
area with dozens of huge arcades that include the old games in free
sections. I prefer a modern crt under emulation, to the old TV style
what area? I live in Champaign/Urbana Illinois these days, but as a kid I
lived in Suburban Chicago... there was an arcade called "Galaxy World"
that was just incredible. Probably hundreds of games. Two LONG walls of
pinball. Classics, contemporary... I miss arcades.
Any good arcades in the midwest anymore? I've heard things about one in
Chicago (with "retro" games no less) but the name doesn't come to mind
right now.
Galaxy World was sold a few years ago and now has kiddie rides & other
"family fun features". Back in the day there was the bowling alley it was
connected to, and the whole place was _very_ seedy, dark, and noisy. I
loved it.
- Dan
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- Dept. of Computer Science Teaching Assistant
- DoRES Computer Accessibility Researcher
4:57 p.m.
the original
can cloud your perceptions though, fortunately I live in an
area with dozens of huge arcades that include the old games in free
sections. I prefer a modern crt under emulation, to the old TV style
what area? I live in Champaign/Urbana Illinois these days, but as a kid I 
16 Jul
16 Jul
4:46 a.m.
what area? I
live in Champaign/Urbana Illinois these days, but as a kid I
SoCal, we have a chain called Nickle Nickle, $1.95 admission and all games
are converted to use nickles instead of quarters, with the back 2 rows all
free. This is a major savings on games like House of the Dead etc.
8:44 a.m.
There's a chain called Wunderland (I think
that's how they spell it), at
least in San Diego, that has the same setup. Since Star Wars was free play,
I think I spent an hour there while my friends almost blew a whole buck(!)
on Area 51.
http://www.wunderlandgames.com
They're who I was considering buying a Neo Geo cabinet from, as they're up
here in Oregon also. They didn't have any free games at the one my wife
and I went to on Saturday, and despite advertising nickle games, all the
arcade games were 10-15 cents (still a LOT better than 50-75 cents they'd
probably be otherwise).
I'm looking for any place in the Portland area (preferably west side) with
modern games, the only new game Wunderland had was "Silent Scope 2" and it
was broken. It would also be nice to find a place with a LOT of games, as
the Wunderland we were at sure didn't fit that description.
There is an interesting sounding one in Downtown Portland we're wanting to
check out, I think it's called "Ground Kontrol", it's nothing but late
70's
and *early* 80's games such as Asteroids, Pac-Man, and the like.
Zane
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10:16 a.m.
"Zane H. Healy" wrote:
Check out this cabinet that is on ebay -
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1254200776
Very compact and really cool!
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There's a
chain called Wunderland (I think that's how they spell it), at
least in San Diego, that has the same setup. Since Star Wars was free play,
I think I spent an hour there while my friends almost blew a whole buck(!)
on Area 51.
http://www.wunderlandgames.com
They're who I was considering buying a Neo Geo cabinet from, as they're up
here in Oregon also. They didn't have any free games at the one my wife
and I went to on Saturday, and despite advertising nickle games, all the
arcade games were 10-15 cents (still a LOT better than 50-75 cents they'd
probably be otherwise).
I'm looking for any place in the Portland area (preferably west side) with
modern games, the only new game Wunderland had was "Silent Scope 2" and it
was broken. It would also be nice to find a place with a LOT of games, as
the Wunderland we were at sure didn't fit that description.
There is an interesting sounding one in Downtown Portland we're wanting to
check out, I think it's called "Ground Kontrol", it's nothing but late
70's
and *early* 80's games such as Asteroids, Pac-Man, and the like.
Zane
12 Jul
12 Jul
5:45 a.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
OTOH, a certain part of my interest in collecting
classic computers has
shifted over to collecting old video game systems and games, as that's
something we can enjoy together. The scary thing with that is she's
encouraging me to get a Neo Geo arcade machine! Anyone know of any cheap
ones in the Portland, OR area?
It's too bad SNK went under a few months ago. Now who will tend to my 2D
gaming interests? Arcade halls will never be the same again. =(
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8:16 a.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
Say, what?!?!?! I know they pulled out of the US, but as far as I know
they're still alive and well in Japan. In fact they just released "Metal
Slug X" for the Playstation 1.
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OTOH, a certain part of my interest in collecting
classic computers has
shifted over to collecting old video game systems and games, as that's
something we can enjoy together. The scary thing with that is she's
encouraging me to get a Neo Geo arcade machine! Anyone know of any cheap
ones in the Portland, OR area?
It's too bad SNK went under a few months ago. Now who will tend to my 2D
gaming interests? Arcade halls will never be the same again. =(
5:14 p.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
>It's too bad SNK went under a few months ago.
Now who will tend to my 2D
>gaming interests? Arcade halls will never be the same again. =(
Say, what?!?!?! I know they pulled out of the US, but
as far as I know
they're still alive and well in Japan. In fact they just released "Metal
Slug X" for the Playstation 1.
I really hope I'm misinformed, then. Could be unprofessional journalism at
work.
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5:58 p.m.
>It's
too bad SNK went under a few months ago. Now who will tend to my 2D
>gaming interests? Arcade halls will never be the same again. =(
Say, what?!?!?! I know they pulled out of the US,
but as far as I know
they're still alive and well in Japan. In fact they just released "Metal
Slug X" for the Playstation 1.
I really hope I'm misinformed, then. Could be unprofessional journalism at
work.
14 Jul
14 Jul
7:11 a.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
Probably bad from, but I'm going to reply to this a second time with some
news I found out last night.
http://www.neo-geo.com/ is a site dedicated to all things Neo Geo (best
site I've been able to find btw). On their front page they have the
following news items that indicate SNK is still around as of a couple weeks
ago.
6/29/01 A reproduction of Metal Slug 3 home carts is under
consideration by SNK.
6/06/01 Sengoku 3 released for MVS in limited quantities.
The game weighs in @396 megs.
In other news I'm finally having some luck on finding a Neo Geo cabinet.
One of the local arcade chains has some, including a couple with
"Metal Slug 3", the current value of MS3 makes those two machines worth
what they want the others (except one) aren't really worth what they want.
MS3 is one of the games on the top of my list that I want.
Zane
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>It's too bad SNK went under a few months
ago. Now who will tend to my 2D
>gaming interests? Arcade halls will never be the same again. =(
Say, what?!?!?! I know they pulled out of the US,
but as far as I know
they're still alive and well in Japan. In fact they just released "Metal
Slug X" for the Playstation 1.
I really hope I'm misinformed, then. Could be unprofessional journalism at
work.
8:09 a.m.
Isn't there a Neo Geo home system available??? I know SNK is still in
business, i was considering buying a Neo Geo cabinet until i found the
wonders of the classic Nintendo NES. Come to think of it, are +10 year old
game consoles and arcade machines considered "classic computers"???
-Lanny
----- Original Message -----
From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Collecting vs. My Wife
weeks
>Zane H. Healy skrev:
>
>>>It's too bad SNK went under a few months ago. Now who will tend to my
2D
>>>gaming interests? Arcade halls will never
be the same again. =(
>
>>Say, what?!?!?! I know they pulled out of the US, but as far as I know
>>they're still alive and well in Japan. In fact they just released
"Metal
>>Slug X" for the Playstation 1.
>
>I really hope I'm misinformed, then. Could be unprofessional journalism
at
work.
Probably bad from, but I'm going to reply to this a second time with some
news I found out last night.
http://www.neo-geo.com/ is a site dedicated to all things Neo Geo (best
site I've been able to find btw). On their front page they have the
following news items that indicate SNK is still around as of a couple ago.
6/29/01 A reproduction of Metal Slug 3 home carts is under
consideration by SNK.
6/06/01 Sengoku 3 released for MVS in limited quantities.
The game weighs in @396 megs.
In other news I'm finally having some luck on finding a Neo Geo cabinet.
One of the local arcade chains has some, including a couple with
"Metal Slug 3", the current value of MS3 makes those two machines worth
what they want the others (except one) aren't really worth what they want.
MS3 is one of the games on the top of my list that I want.
Zane
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5:48 p.m.
Lanny Cox skrev:
Isn't there a Neo Geo home system available??? I
know SNK is still in
business, i was considering buying a Neo Geo cabinet until i found the
wonders of the classic Nintendo NES. Come to think of it, are +10 year old
game consoles and arcade machines considered "classic computers"???
There have been several. The most recent ones were the Pocket units. I don't
think those had much in common with the original, though.
In the early nineties, the Neo Geo was the Rolls-Royce amongst game consoles.
I remember being offered to buy one when I was shopping for my first computer.
It cost as much as an Amiga, and two or three games would set you back as much
as the cost of the base unit.
It's a great system, though. Probably the best joystick ever seen on a home
system. Not all the analogue twenty-button frills of modern Playstations or
Dreamcasts, but very well-built, with a real arcade feeling.
There have been CD add-ons as well, and in the mid-nineties, there was some
new 64-bit unit IIRC.
I'd really like a cabinet with Puzzle Bobble/Bust a Move. I'm spending too
much money on that game.
The Neo Geo is the only real alternative if you're into sprite-based games.
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15 Jul
7:50 a.m.
There have been several. The most recent ones were the
Pocket units. I
>don't think those had much in common with the original, though.
As far as I can tell, nothing other than having a couple Metal Slug games
and a King of Fighters game (as far as I know none of them are ports of the
full sized games).
In the early nineties, the Neo Geo was the Rolls-Royce
amongst game >consoles.
In some ways it still is, a Cartridge system can still cost you as much as
a Playstation 2! The thing to remember is some of those carts are pushing
1 Gig! With the oldest ones still being in the 50 meg range.
There have been CD add-ons as well, and in the
mid-nineties, there was some
new 64-bit unit IIRC.
It looks like the 64-bit unit is arcade only, and has only been used on
about 5 games.
I'd really like a cabinet with Puzzle Bobble/Bust a
Move. I'm spending too
much money on that game.
As of yesterday my wife is officially addicted to that game!
The Neo Geo is the only real alternative if you're
into sprite-based games.
It's great as it's got gorgous 2D graphics (at least on the newer games),
and if you're like me you don't have to worry about motion sickness while
playing any of the games (thankfully 3D fighters don't bother me). Games
like Quake make me so sick it isn't even funny!
Zane
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16 Jul
16 Jul
4:24 a.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
>There have been several. The most recent ones were
the Pocket units. I
>>don't think those had much in common with the original, though.
As far as I can tell, nothing other than having a
couple Metal Slug games
and a King of Fighters game (as far as I know none of them are ports of the
full sized games).
I wonder what kind of processor it might use. The sound strikes me as quite
bleepy. The "joystick", OTOH, is top-notch.
>In the early nineties, the Neo Geo was the
Rolls-Royce amongst game
>>consoles.
In some ways it still is, a Cartridge system can still
cost you as much as
a Playstation 2! The thing to remember is some of those carts are pushing
1 Gig! With the oldest ones still being in the 50 meg range.
It's really absurd...
>There have been CD add-ons as well, and in the
mid-nineties, there was some
>new 64-bit unit IIRC.
It looks like the 64-bit unit is arcade only, and has
only been used on
about 5 games.
>I'd really like a cabinet with Puzzle
Bobble/Bust a Move. I'm spending too
>much money on that game.
As of yesterday my wife is officially addicted to that
game!
Thankfully, last week, my favourite pool hall modified its cabinet, so that it
is now a bill-op in addition to a coin-op. =)
>The Neo Geo is the only real alternative if
you're into sprite-based games.
It's great as it's got gorgous 2D graphics (at
least on the newer games),
and if you're like me you don't have to worry about motion sickness while
playing any of the games (thankfully 3D fighters don't bother me). Games
like Quake make me so sick it isn't even funny!
Modern games just fail to attract me. I was raised on sprite games, then it
all died out in the course of a year. I'm sitll wondering why.
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3:17 p.m.
In some ways it
still is, a Cartridge system can still cost you as much as
a Playstation 2! The thing to remember is some of those carts are pushing
1 Gig! With the oldest ones still being in the 50 meg range.
It's really absurd... >I'd
really like a cabinet with Puzzle Bobble/Bust a Move. I'm spending too
>much money on that game.
As of yesterday my wife is officially addicted to
that game!
Thankfully, last week, my favourite pool hall modified its cabinet, so that it
is now a bill-op in addition to a coin-op. =) Modern games just fail to attract me. I was raised on
sprite games, then it
all died out in the course of a year. I'm sitll wondering why.
Overall, I'd just as soon have a really good game with seriously dated
graphics (TacOps on the Mac & PC comes to mind, and I think the original Mac
versin is old enough to be on topic). However, I do enjoy good 3D fighters
with totally killer graphics.
Zane
6:27 p.m.
Zane H. Healy skrev:
> >In some ways it still is, a Cartridge system
can still cost you as much as
> >a Playstation 2! The thing to remember is some of those carts are pushing
> >1 Gig! With the oldest ones still being in the 50 meg range.
>
> It's really absurd...
Not really, they've never been produced in high
volume, and there are a lot
of very good, visually appealing games, even by todays standards.
I know, I just think that so many megabits stored on ROM is a bit absurd. And
expensive.
> >>I'd really like a cabinet with Puzzle
Bobble/Bust a Move. I'm spending
> >>too much money on that game.
>
> >As of yesterday my wife is officially addicted to that game!
>
> Thankfully, last week, my favourite pool hall modified its cabinet, so that
> it is now a bill-op in addition to a coin-op. =)
Do yourself a favor, investigate MAME. I invested $220
yesterday on a PCI
ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon and a second USB Gravis Gamepad Pro. It took a
couple hours, but my old PII/333 that had basically been retired as a Linux
box, is now running Windows (ugh!), and is sitting in the living room
connected to our TV (without a monitor). Really need a faster system with a
better disk though, as some of the games need a lot faster processor, but
it's about good enough for the Neo Geo stuff. Puzzle Bobble and Puzzle
Bobble Again rock on this system! Now the only problem is getting my wife
off of it.
333 MHz and old? I'm writing this on a 25 MHz machine, and I don't consider
that old. My fastest machines are a 133 MHz Pentium and a 166 MHz Alpha,
neither of which is fully assembled or running anything.
Besides, obtaining a fully-fledged multiple-megahertz PC system in order to
play 10 MHz games really strikes me as crossing the river to fetch water.
> Modern games just fail to attract me. I was raised
on sprite games, then it
> all died out in the course of a year. I'm sitll wondering why.
Overall, I'd just as soon have a really good game
with seriously dated
graphics (TacOps on the Mac & PC comes to mind, and I think the original Mac
versin is old enough to be on topic). However, I do enjoy good 3D fighters
with totally killer graphics.
I did enjoy Tekken after som manual reading, but beat'em-ups (save IK+) are
too complicated for me. And 3D lacks the level of control I like.
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15 Jul
15 Jul
7:42 a.m.
Isn't there a Neo Geo home system available??? I
know SNK is still in
business, i was considering buying a Neo Geo cabinet until i found the
wonders of the classic Nintendo NES. Come to think of it, are +10 year old
game consoles and arcade machines considered "classic computers"???
-Lanny
Yes, but go on eBay and check out what Neo Geo home carts and systems sell
for. I'm not sure what the new carts sell for (they still make carts).
Also check out the Neo Geo CD system and game prices. Then check out the
MVS cart prices, and you'll see why I want an Arcade system. Remember the
original cart system cost $600-650, with the carts being $200 each in the
early 90's.
I'm guessing the Cart systems are vaguelly on-topic. If nothing else
because they use a 68000 and Z80 processor :^)
One interesting MVS solution is a $300 adapter that lets you plug them into
a Home cart system. However, that ends up being more expensive than the
HGA system ( http://www.gwtrading.com ) with a 1-slot Neo Geo JAMMA board.
As it turns out we went to the closest arcade last night to check out one
of the Neo Geo cabinets the chain has for sale in our area, and came to a
rather depressing conclusion. There is really no way we're getting one of
those cabinets in our second floor apartment. So the decission came down
to the HGA system and building a MAME system. It looks like MAME won.
Zane
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