8 Sep
2003
8 Sep
'03
1:54 a.m.
I have two rather old monitors marked as "Sabre" on the front. They have
a DE9 female socket on the back, but also carry a label claiming the
monitors to be SVGA. I've never seen SVGA use DE9 connectors, I've always
seen them with the high densitry 15 pin connectors (as commmonly seen on
current PC monitors).
Anyone know the pinout for an adaptor? Anyone have a particular desire
for these monitors?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
8 Sep
8 Sep
2:25 a.m.
I have a older Vox-On monitor that is configured like that. I also seem
to remember some older NEC models that needed a HD15 to DE9 cable. I
still have the cable, so I can look at it when I get home. As far as the
Sabre label, American Airlines used to private label a lot of AST
computers and monitors as Sabre for distribution to travel agencies for
connection to the Sabre reservation network. There were a lot of P100
Sabre systems floating around DFW for a while.
James
chris wrote:
I have two rather old monitors marked as
"Sabre" on the front. They have
a DE9 female socket on the back, but also carry a label claiming the
monitors to be SVGA. I've never seen SVGA use DE9 connectors, I've always
seen them with the high densitry 15 pin connectors (as commmonly seen on
current PC monitors).
Anyone know the pinout for an adaptor? Anyone have a particular desire
for these monitors?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html
3:51 a.m.
At 09:09 AM 9/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
I have a older Vox-On monitor that is configured like
that. I also seem
to remember some older NEC models that needed a HD15 to DE9 cable.
You're right. A lot of the old NEC Multisyncs that we used had a small
adapter that went from HD-15 to DE9. It was a metal adapter about 1 1/2"
long. It plugged in between the computer and the cable.
Joe
I
still have the cable, so I can look at it when I get
home. As far as the
Sabre label, American Airlines used to private label a lot of AST
computers and monitors as Sabre for distribution to travel agencies for
connection to the Sabre reservation network. There were a lot of P100
Sabre systems floating around DFW for a while.
James
chris wrote:
I have two rather old monitors marked as
"Sabre" on the front. They have
a DE9 female socket on the back, but also carry a label claiming the
monitors to be SVGA. I've never seen SVGA use DE9 connectors, I've always
seen them with the high densitry 15 pin connectors (as commmonly seen on
current PC monitors).
Anyone know the pinout for an adaptor? Anyone have a particular desire
for these monitors?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html 
4:22 a.m.
Just as a quick warning, I got magic zaps (bad electrical sounds in the
monitor) once when I used a random HD15/DE9 cable. Don't screw
things down on the first try. There are a *few* standards for DE9-VGA
apparently. It would be best to know the pinout of your monitor first.
I now will not "wing it" unless I'm willing to lose the monitor.
John A.
4:45 a.m.
I think the commodore 128 had a digital output that went to a 9 pin
connection and probably would make a mess connected to a analog 9 pin cga
input.
Most pc cables are idiot proof, its when your connecting a non PC (or older
almost PC compatible) to a PC monitor that you have to be carefull. I hate
companies like tandy that switched wires on their "standard" cables so you
HAD to buy their version.
Even if they do mate correctly you have to worry about 15khz outputs (amiga,
atari st, c64 etc) that dont sync on modern 30+Khz monitors without some
kind of help in between.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: SVGA with DE9
Just as a quick warning, I got magic zaps (bad
electrical sounds in the
monitor) once when I used a random HD15/DE9 cable. Don't screw
things down on the first try. There are a *few* standards for DE9-VGA
apparently. It would be best to know the pinout of your monitor first.
I now will not "wing it" unless I'm willing to lose the monitor.
John A.
12:04 p.m.
Hello TeoZ,
I think the commodore 128 had a digital output that
went to a 9 pin
connection and probably would make a mess connected to a analog 9 pin cga
input.
I think monochrome, and CGA were TTL on 9-pin connectors
I know EGA was TTL on 9-pin.
VGA ( analog ) was output on 9-pin in some instances, but either later
on, or more commonly, on HD15
Best Regards
At 12:35 PM 9/8/03 -0400, you wrote:
I think the commodore 128 had a digital output that
went to a 9 pin
connection and probably would make a mess connected to a analog 9 pin cga
input.
Most pc cables are idiot proof, its when your connecting a non PC (or older
almost PC compatible) to a PC monitor that you have to be carefull. I hate
companies like tandy that switched wires on their "standard" cables so you
HAD to buy their version.
Even if they do mate correctly you have to worry about 15khz outputs (amiga,
atari st, c64 etc) that dont sync on modern 30+Khz monitors without some
kind of help in between.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Allain" <allain(a)panix.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: SVGA with DE9
> Just as a quick warning, I got magic zaps (bad electrical sounds in the
> monitor) once when I used a random HD15/DE9 cable. Don't screw
> things down on the first try. There are a *few* standards for DE9-VGA
> apparently. It would be best to know the pinout of your monitor first.
> I now will not "wing it" unless I'm willing to lose the monitor.
>
> John A.
11:58 a.m.
Hello John,
There were at least two pin-outs that I was aware of. One was for NEC's
and the other was for Sony's. Don't know where my notes are anymore,
so finding them is left as an exercise for the reader.
Best Regards
At 12:11 PM 9/8/03 -0400, you wrote:
Just as a quick warning, I got magic zaps (bad
electrical sounds in the
monitor) once when I used a random HD15/DE9 cable. Don't screw
things down on the first try. There are a *few* standards for DE9-VGA
apparently. It would be best to know the pinout of your monitor first.
I now will not "wing it" unless I'm willing to lose the monitor.
John A.
2:36 a.m.
I have a Sony CPD-1304 VGA/SVGA monitor that has a 9-pin connector as
well. I have a 9-15 pin adapter cable to use it on a PC, and they also
supposedly made (but I never got one) a cable to use it with a Mac II
class computer.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of chris
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:46 AM
To: Classic Computer
Subject: SVGA with DE9
I have two rather old monitors marked as "Sabre" on the front. They have
a DE9 female socket on the back, but also carry a label claiming the
monitors to be SVGA. I've never seen SVGA use DE9 connectors, I've
always
seen them with the high densitry 15 pin connectors (as commmonly seen on
current PC monitors).
Anyone know the pinout for an adaptor? Anyone have a particular desire
for these monitors?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
2:48 a.m.
Do you mean "DB9" connectors?
Douglas Wood
Software Engineer
dbwood(a)kc.rr.com
ICQ#: 143841506
Home of the EPICIS Development System for the PIC
http://epicis.piclist.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris" <cb(a)mythtech.net>
To: "Classic Computer" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:45 AM
Subject: SVGA with DE9
I have two rather old monitors marked as
"Sabre" on the front. They have
a DE9 female socket on the back, but also carry a label claiming the
monitors to be SVGA. I've never seen SVGA use DE9 connectors, I've always
seen them with the high densitry 15 pin connectors (as commmonly seen on
current PC monitors).
Anyone know the pinout for an adaptor? Anyone have a particular desire
for these monitors?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
2:57 a.m.
New subject: NADADSCN (not another discussion about D shell connector names)
Here we go again.
Douglas Wood wrote:
Do you mean "DB9" connectors?
Douglas Wood
Software Engineer
dbwood(a)kc.rr.com
ICQ#: 143841506
Home of the EPICIS Development System for the PIC
http://epicis.piclist.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris" <cb(a)mythtech.net>
To: "Classic Computer" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:45 AM
Subject: SVGA with DE9
>I have two rather old monitors marked as "Sabre" on the front. They have
>a DE9 female socket on the back, but also carry a label claiming the
>monitors to be SVGA. I've never seen SVGA use DE9 connectors, I've always
>seen them with the high densitry 15 pin connectors (as commmonly seen on
>current PC monitors).
>
>Anyone know the pinout for an adaptor? Anyone have a particular desire
>for these monitors?
>
>-chris
><http://www.mythtech.net>
6:51 a.m.
And thusly Fred Cisin spake:
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Douglas Wood wrote:
Don't you mean 1,000,000 (What hard drive manufacturers think of as a
megabyte) as opposed to 1,048,576?
Cheers,
Bryan
Do you mean "DB9" connectors?
No.
Although that is such a COMMON abuse that it has become
accepted by most.
It is almost as common an abuse as
calling 1024000 (1000 * 1024) a "megabyte"
7:14 a.m.
New subject: YADAM (was: SVGA with DE9
> > Do you mean "DB9" connectors?
> It is almost as common an abuse as
> calling 1024000 (1000 * 1024) a "megabyte"
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Bryan Pope wrote:
Don't you mean 1,000,000 (What hard drive
manufacturers think of as a
megabyte) as opposed to 1,048,576?
Even that (which has a LITTLE justification) is nowhere near
as offensive as IBM's use of 1,024,000 for "megabyte" for disks.
A common 3.5" HD floppy has two sides, with 80 tracks per side, with 18
sectors per track, and with 512 bytes per sector.
2 * 80 * 18 * 512 gives 1,474,560 bytes.
with 1,048,576 (2^20, 1024*1024) bytes per megabyte,
that works out to 1.40625
In order to get "1.44", IBM creatively "defined"
"megabyte" as being 1000K!
NOTE: although an IBM "megabyte" of disk space is 1,024,000
an IBM "megabyte" of RAM is 1,048,576.
Therefore, the contents of a "megabyte" of IBM RAM won't fit in an IBM
"megabyte" of disk!
7:48 a.m.
A DB9 would be a connector the size of a DB25, but with only nine pins.
Peace... Sridhar
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Douglas Wood wrote:
Do you mean "DB9" connectors?
Douglas Wood
Software Engineer
dbwood(a)kc.rr.com
ICQ#: 143841506
Home of the EPICIS Development System for the PIC
http://epicis.piclist.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris" <cb(a)mythtech.net>
To: "Classic Computer" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:45 AM
Subject: SVGA with DE9
> I have two rather old monitors marked as "Sabre" on the front. They have
> a DE9 female socket on the back, but also carry a label claiming the
> monitors to be SVGA. I've never seen SVGA use DE9 connectors, I've always
> seen them with the high densitry 15 pin connectors (as commmonly seen on
> current PC monitors).
>
> Anyone know the pinout for an adaptor? Anyone have a particular desire
> for these monitors?
>
> -chris
> <http://www.mythtech.net>
8:34 a.m.
Do you mean "DB9" connectors?
No, I am sure he means DE9 connectors (and is using the term correctly).
The second letter in the name gives the connector shell size (how big it
is physcially). The only 'DB's are the DB25 (PC parallel port and _real_
RS232 port) and DB44 (the high deinsity version, not commonly used).
The PC/AT serial port is a DE9, no matter what most PC-droids call it :-)
Incidentally, I have a VGA monitor here with a DE15 socket (normal VGA
connector) for the input. WIth it came a cable with a DE15 plug on each
end. Only thing is, the pinout of the monitor connector is not even close
to normal VGA, so the cable is not wired pin-pin. So far, so good. The
problem is that the cable has to be used the right way round, and the
_only_ visible difference between the ends is the colour of the
insulation between the pins (the moulded connector covers are the same
grey on each end). If you plug the wrong end of the cable into the
monitor you get no display.
It took me many minutes armed with a 'scope to figure out why I had a
dark screen after connecting this thing to a known-good Xterminal box...
I want to know what sort of idiot came up with that piece of design....
-tony
6:23 a.m.
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, chris wrote:
I have two rather old monitors marked as
"Sabre" on the front. They have
a DE9 female socket on the back, but also carry a label claiming the
monitors to be SVGA. I've never seen SVGA use DE9 connectors, I've always
seen them with the high densitry 15 pin connectors (as commmonly seen on
current PC monitors).
Anyone know the pinout for an adaptor? Anyone have a particular desire
for these monitors?
Both Sony and NEC had VGA with 9 pin connectors.
Adapters, and adapter cables were readily available.
Q: Did Sony and NEC have the same pinout?
Would it be reasonable to expect these to match those pinouts?
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