11:40 p.m.
On 08/01/12 10:57 PM, ben wrote:
On 1/8/2012 8:54 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
For $800 I could get somebody to paint a copy of the Mona Lisa.
Um... now what.
--Toby
Perhaps quite a lot, but not $800,000. :)
Ebay #190404561375
Well for $800,000 one could develop any chip they like today.
Ben.
9 Jan
9 Jan
12:19 a.m.
ben wrote:
On 1/8/2012 8:54 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
For $800K one would consider counterfeits as a possible risk...
John ;-#)#
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Perhaps quite a lot, but not $800,000. :)
Ebay #190404561375
Well for $800,000 one could develop any chip they like today.
Ben.
2:45 p.m.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan at snarc.net> wrote:
My 3 are all in devices I want to keep operationmal (one in the Intel
UPP, the other 2 in a Fluke data logger).
Perhaps quite a lot, but not $800,000. =A0 :)
Ebay #190404561375
oooh shiny! well scratched beyond its price
I am looking for the Facit boat anchor printer that had two 4040's in it.
That sounds fun, but please keep it operational as an example of an odd
control system (I assume it's odd, mnot may pinters pf that vintage had 2
microprocessors in them). It saddens me when things like this are raided
for aprticualr ICs which then go to collectors who never power them up...
-tony
4:35 p.m.
for aprticualr ICs which then go to collectors who
never power them up...
They were a dot matrix, very fast and had a pneumatic bladder
under
the head to lean it forward to the platten.
Zinc diecast case I think
iirc one 4040 did machine control the other was input buffer/character
set to pin pattern
Not sure of the printer model number maybe was 4050.
-tony
10 Jan
10 Jan
5:20 p.m.
for aprticualr ICs which then go to collectors
who never power them up...
They were a dot matrix, very fast and had a pneumatic
bladder under
the head to lean it forward to the platten.
Zinc diecast case I think
iirc one 4040 did machine control the other was input buffer/character
set to pin pattern
10 Jan
10 Jan
5:28 p.m.
On 01/09/2012 02:45 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
I will have to dig the instrument out to check (and I know the service
manual is sitting on top of the instruemt, so I can't check that any more
easily), but I think it's a 2240
IIRC all such units contai na 4040 for system control, etc. In mine
there's a secodn 4040 on the optional parallel output card (to drive a
Facit 4070 punch), used for code conversion, etc. I don't know what other
pptional cards were avaialble and whether they contain 4040s.
IIRC it doens't use any of the 4004/4040 specific memory ICs though. It
uses a thing called a 4289 (IIRC), which convertes the 4040 bus into a
convential memory bus (address + data) and uses that to talk to standard
RAM and EPROM ICs.
-tony
My 3 are all in devices I want to keep
operationmal (one in the Intel
UPP, the other 2 in a Fluke data logger).
What model of data logger uses 4040s? 
10:50 p.m.
I sold a bunch of 4040s several years ago for $40 to $50 to chip
collectors. An early Engineering Sample (ES) should be worth about
$200 in my opinion, maybe a little more but the condition is not the
best on this one.
I found a gold 4004 in an early typesetter, an AM100 which I scrapped
in the mid-late 1980s.
Pax
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USA
9 Jan
9 Jan
2:29 a.m.
I googled 4040 and found the image all over the place, but the original
was from a defunct (as of 2008) web site called
www.theintelcollection.com A copyright notice on it was The Intel
Collection (c) 2006 - Lee Gallagher
that link is via:
http://www.chipdb.org/member.php?action=showprofile&user_id=22
The image is interesting if it is actually of the chip because it has
what may be a true intel working date for the date code. All of the
other hits are using some other method, maybe a die number or sequence
to track the part. the one listed is marked 7505, which would be near
the first availability of the part. Someone on the Boing Boing comment
picked up and says the ES indicates this is true.
The engineering samples are rare, but not at this level. I'd think
you'd need a 4004 or earlier part of some note to have anything
approaching 10000 bucks (from me if I had it). I have seen a lot of NDA
parts out there as outfits fold, and someone posts the junk boxes, so an
NDA part (or maybe Engineering Sample) in and of itself is not that
rare. However Intel was really going at the time this part came out, so
it isn't as historic as a 4004 would be.
That said, most of those parts were not for sale, so one wonders how a
prototype or sample or early availability Intel part ended up in hong kong.
which brings up the second point, if you want it, I don't think I'd be
wiring or paypal'ing the money to Honk Kong, but rather flying first
class (only probably $20,000) with cash in hand to purchase it and bring
it back.
Anyone know what other than the Intellec mentioned in the article that
the 4004 was used in? Anything significant, early routers? other
functions. That would push up the value if it was more significant in
its use to advance Intel or the industry.
Jim
On 1/8/2012 7:54 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Perhaps quite a lot, but not $800,000. :)
Ebay #190404561375
5:29 a.m.
On 2012 Jan 8, at 11:29 PM, jim s wrote:
On 1/8/2012 7:54 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
> Perhaps quite a lot, but not $800,000. :)
>
> Ebay #190404561375
I googled 4040 and found the image all over the place,
but the
original was from a defunct (as of 2008) web site called
www.theintelcollection.com A copyright notice on it was The Intel
Collection (c) 2006 - Lee Gallagher
that link is via: http://www.chipdb.org/member.php?
action=showprofile&user_id=22
The image is interesting if it is actually of the chip because it
has what may be a true intel working date for the date code. All
of the other hits are using some other method, maybe a die number
or sequence to track the part. the one listed is marked 7505,
which would be near the first availability of the part. Someone on
the Boing Boing comment picked up and says the ES indicates this is
true.
The engineering samples are rare, but not at this level. I'd think
you'd need a 4004 or earlier part of some note to have anything
approaching 10000 bucks (from me if I had it). I have seen a lot
of NDA parts out there as outfits fold, and someone posts the junk
boxes, so an NDA part (or maybe Engineering Sample) in and of
itself is not that rare. However Intel was really going at the
time this part came out, so it isn't as historic as a 4004 would be.
That said, most of those parts were not for sale, so one wonders
how a prototype or sample or early availability Intel part ended up
in hong kong.
which brings up the second point, if you want it, I don't think I'd
be wiring or paypal'ing the money to Honk Kong, but rather flying
first class (only probably $20,000) with cash in hand to purchase
it and bring it back.
Anyone know what other than the Intellec mentioned in the article
that the 4004 was used in? Anything significant, early routers?
other functions. That would push up the value if it was more
significant in its use to advance Intel or the industry.
Somebody got a whole embedded 4004-based system for $85, probably
unknowingly and unappreciated:
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/190586201364
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/190586201633
A few years ago I got one for free:
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~hilpert/e/4004Monument/index.html
The links there show some typical avionics resellers of the units.
I should mention that it was allison of the list here that made the
connection between my orphan module and ARC equipment a couple of
years ago.
A 4004 is also present in Prolog M900 PROM programmers, although in
the instance of the one I have it is a 2nd-source Nat-Semi 4004, not
Intel.
Is this secret information that will produce a run on this equipment?
How much is a run-of-the-mill 4004 worth these days?
The holy grail in the 4004 arena of course is a Busicom calculator
that the 4004 was developed for.
9:41 a.m.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:29 AM, jim s wrote:
Anyone know what other than the Intellec mentioned in
the article that the 4004 was used in? Anything significant, early routers? other
functions. That would push up the value if it was more significant in its use to advance
Intel or the industry.
ISTR a few very early drum machines and synths used 4004 as a sequencer. I'm not
finding anything on Google to back that up, though, which leads me to wonder if maybe I
dreamed it up.
Here's a nice (if annoyingly multi-page) article on various uses of the 4004 over the
years, including pinball machines.
http://technologizer.com/2011/11/15/intel-4004/
- Dave
10:36 a.m.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:41 AM, David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> wrote:
I have two i4004s - one came from a portable non-UPC barcode scanner I
picked up at the Dayton Hamvention 30 years ago, the other from a
commercial digital kitchen scale that was discarded in the late 1980s.
-ethan
Anyone know
what other than the Intellec mentioned in the article that the 4004 was used in?
ISTR a few very early drum machines and synths used 4004 as a sequencer... maybe I
dreamed it up.
Here's a nice (if annoyingly multi-page) article on various uses of the 4004 over the
years, including pinball machines.
http://technologizer.com/2011/11/15/intel-4004/ 
10:52 a.m.
Subject: Re: What's an Intel 4040 worth?
From: fraveydank at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:41:34 -0500
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:29 AM, jim s wrote:
Hi
The SIM-4 on page 8 is mine. Doug C. took the picture.
I payed less than $50 for the system at a surplus place.
I still use it occationally to read or program 1702A's.
Dwight
Anyone know what other than the Intellec
mentioned in the article that the 4004 was used in? Anything significant, early routers?
other functions. That would push up the value if it was more significant in its use to
advance Intel or the industry.
ISTR a few very early drum machines and synths used 4004 as a sequencer. I'm not
finding anything on Google to back that up, though, which leads me to wonder if maybe I
dreamed it up.
Here's a nice (if annoyingly multi-page) article on various uses of the 4004 over the
years, including pinball machines.
http://technologizer.com/2011/11/15/intel-4004/
- Dave
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