True on a general note, but at least with the SE/30 referenced, you can get System 6.0.8 from Apple's web site, as well as System 7.5.3 (and the .5 updater). Which means, really, you can fairly easily get that SE/30 resetup with an OS. And then there is NetBSD which runs on the SE/30 pretty happily (or so I have been told... personally, every time I get to the point of booting, something else on my SE/30 breaks, no fault of NetBSD... just a nasty string of coincidence). NetBSD is of course a free download as well. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>