10 Jan
2011
10 Jan
'11
10:21 p.m.
Being stuck indoors by bad weather, I started tinkering with my
PDP-11/23+ system :)
The 11/23+ chassis came with a sixteen-serial-line (Camintonn
DHV11/16) card which is complete with a rack panel of 16 DE-9 serial
ports, and fortunately the scrappers had not cut the ribbon cable
going to it.
Also, somewhere I acquired an RL02 pack with TSX-Plus 5.0, which boots
to RT11SJ and even runs TSX+, although I don't have all the devices
the original system had.
So I would like to set up the system for timesharing using the 16-line
card. After perusing the TSX+ manuals I believe I can accomplish a
system generation, except for one problem - I don't know the interrupt
vector and CSR addresses for the Camintonn DHV11/16. Nothing on Google
I could find, and on Bitsavers there is a DEC DHV11 manual but that's
an eight-line card... can anyone help with tech info on this 16-line
card?
thanks
Charles
(doesn't really need a multi-user system since I'm the only user) :)
11 Jan
11 Jan
3:31 a.m.
On 11/01/2011 03:21, Charles Morris wrote:
The 11/23+ chassis came with a sixteen-serial-line
(Camintonn
DHV11/16) card which is complete with a rack panel of 16 DE-9 serial
ports, and fortunately the scrappers had not cut the ribbon cable
going to it.
So I would like to set up the system for timesharing
using the 16-line
card. After perusing the TSX+ manuals I believe I can accomplish a
system generation, except for one problem - I don't know the interrupt
vector and CSR addresses for the Camintonn DHV11/16.
Presumably your 11/23+ has a quad-high M8189 KDF11-B CPU, with on-board
serial lines, in which case you can assume the console is on that card,
not the DHV11 (DEC DHV11s are just serial multiplexers and don't provide
a console line, but a few third-party equivalents do).
If this is the same as the card I have in one of mine, perhaps it's set
up similarly, as if it were the first multiplexer. I don't have a
manual, but mine is set up thus:
Camintonn CMDHV11:
W5 made
A12 etc: first 8 closed, remaining 3 open
V8 etc: V8 closed, next 2 open, next 2 closed, remaining 6 open
4 molex links by each O/P, all made towards B edge
Unfortunately I didn't write down what address/vector that corresponds
to, and I can't get at the 11/83 it's in right now. It's probably on
the first usable floating address, 17760020, and the first available vector.
If that doesn't help, you could at least find out what address it's set
to by running a (fairly) little toggle-in program to find all the I/O
addresses in use in the machine. Look at
http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/ODT/Listings/FindCSR for example.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
15 Jan
15 Jan
2:23 a.m.
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Pete Turnbull
<pete at dunnington.plus.com> wrote:
If that doesn't help, you could at least find out what address it's set to
by running a (fairly) little toggle-in program to find all the I/O addresses
in use in the machine. ?Look at
http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/ODT/Listings/FindCSR for example.
Another thing to consider is updating the EPROMs on the M8189 KDF11-B
to the KDF11B-BH version (23-381E4 / 23-380E4) which has the built in
MAP command. See sample output below from my M8189 KDF11-B with the
KDF11B-BH EPROMs.
I could burn EPROMs for Charles and send them to him for just the
postage if he's not setup to do so himself, except they are the less
common and more expensive 24-pin MCM68766 instead of the common 28-pin
27C64.
Pete has the KDF11-BJ (23-454E4 / 23-453E4) version in his ROM list
but doesn't have the binaries files there. I guess he must not have
copies of those or they would be there with the other ROM images?
-Glen
KDF11B-BH ROM V1.0
KB MEMORY 4088
9 STEP MEMORY TEST
STEP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
TOTAL MEMORY ERRORS = 0
CLOCK ENABLED
Type ? for HELP
Enter one of [Boot, Diagnose, Help, List, Map]:map
MAP
Type CTRL/C to go to next step
CPU OPTIONS
EIS FIS
MEMORY
Starting Ending
Address Address
00000000 17757776
I/O
Starting Ending
Address Address
17772100 17772102
17772150 17772152
17772300 17772316
17772340 17772356
17772516 17772516
17773000 17773776
17775000 17775016
17776500 17776506
Press RETURN to continue
17777520 17777524
17777546 17777546
17777560 17777566
17777572 17777616
17777640 17777656
17777776 17777776
Type ? for HELP
Enter one of [Boot, Diagnose, Help, List, Map]:help
Command Definition
Boot Load and start a program from disk or tape
Diagnose Run Extended memory test
List Print a list of bootable devices
Map Run the system mapping routine
Type ? for HELP
Enter one of [Boot, Diagnose, Help, List, Map]:list
Bootable devices
Device Max
Name Type Units
DU DSA 8
DL RL01/02 4
DX RX01 2
DY RX02 2
DD TU58 2
XH QNA 2
MS TQK25/TS05 1
MU TK50 1
Type ? for HELP
Enter one of [Boot, Diagnose, Help, List, Map]:
22 Jan
22 Jan
11:15 a.m.
New subject: DEC ROMs (was Re: Help with DHV11/16 card?)
On 15/01/2011 07:23, Glen Slick wrote:
Another thing to consider is updating the EPROMs on
the M8189 KDF11-B
to the KDF11B-BH version (23-381E4 / 23-380E4) which has the built in
MAP command. See sample output below from my M8189 KDF11-B with the
KDF11B-BH EPROMs.
Pete has the KDF11-BJ (23-454E4 / 23-453E4) version in
his ROM list
but doesn't have the binaries files there. I guess he must not have
copies of those or they would be there with the other ROM images?
Exactly so; I try to list all the PDP-11 ROMs (and some others) I know
of, but there are quite a few I've not got images for. I've got the
images for KDF11-BG (aka KDF11-BH - this is one of those weird ones
where the parts documentation lists one code but the firmware itself
reports a slightly different one) but I don't have images of KDF11-BJ.
I've just done one of my aperiodic checks and updates, so I've added a
few ROM images (for a VAXstation II's VCB02 framebuffer) and made some
corrections and updates to the lists. I'm still looking for the
following images, if anyone has or can get any of them:
23-031E2 VT100 terminal ROM
23-051L1 M7546 TQK50 Rev.D1 E3 ROM
23-065L1 M7546 TQK50 Rev.J1 E3 ROM
23-077E5 M8190 KDJ-11B (PDP11/73+) boot Version 6
23-078E5 M8190 KDJ-11B (PDP11/73+) boot Version 6
23-094E2 VT100 extra chargen
23-095E2 VT100 extra chargen
23-096E2 VT100 extra chargen
23-097E2 VT132 extra chargen
23-098E2 VT132 extra chargen
23-139E2 VT100 terminal board ROM
23-140E2 VT100 terminal board ROM
23-170E5 M7546 TQK50 ROMs, rev.1
23-171E5 M7546 TQK50 ROMs, rev.1
23-180E2 VT132 terminal board ROM
23-180E5 M7546 TQK50 ROMs, rev.2 (C1)
23-181E2 VT132 terminal board ROM
23-181E5 M7546 TQK50 ROMs, rev.2 (C1)
23-182E2 VT132 terminal board ROM
23-183E2 VT132 terminal board ROM
23-228E4 M7792 DEUNA Port Module ROM
23-229E4 M7792 DEUNA Port Module ROM
23-287E8 VAXstation 4000 VLC (40-pin EPROM)
23-288E8 VAXstation 4000 VLC (40-pin EPROM)
23-368E9 KZMSA-F001 FCO (goes with PAL 23-E89J5)
23-410E6 M7559 TKQ70 FCO TQK70-R001
23-411E6 M7559 TKQ70 FCO TQK70-R001
23-432E4 M7521 DELUA ROM, FC0 DELUA-I002
23-433E4 M7521 DELUA ROM, FC0 DELUA-I002
23-453E6 TK50Z-GA ROM
23-453E4 M8189 KDF11-BJ (uPDP11/23) boot, last release
23-454E4 M8189 KDF11-BJ (uPDP11/23) boot, last release
BTW, does anyone have any spare MCM68766 or MCM68764 EPROMs? They're
the 8Kx8 24-pin ones often used by DEC (MCM68764 is slower, though), but
also to be found in some other microcompters of the era. Someone
promised to send me a few a some years back, but I never got any :-(
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
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