26 May
2011
26 May
'11
4:44 p.m.
If you follow the SIMH list at all, you may have heard that the
preliminary version of a VAXstation 2000 emulator has been released
upon the world. Judging from what I've heard on the VMS newsgroup, a
system like that really works best with an older (4.x-era) version of
VMS along with the VWS workstation software. I've been able to find
DECtape II images of an upgrade only version of VMS 4.7 for use with
an 11/750, but can't seem to find anything that has the whole hog?
Does anybody know of a place where TK50 images of VMS/MicroVMS 4.7 as
well as a few other basics like VWS and maybe Pascal or Fortran or
BASIC might be found? Ideally, I'd like to get the setup process
written up and a few screenshots made for the curious, so any help
that can get me started would be most apprectiated.
Mike
26 May
26 May
5:21 p.m.
On 5/26/11 4:44 PM, Michael Kerpan wrote:
If you follow the SIMH list at all, you may have heard
that the
preliminary version of a VAXstation 2000 emulator has been released
upon the world.
This is great news!
Judging from what I've heard on the VMS newsgroup,
a
system like that really works best with an older (4.x-era) version of
VMS along with the VWS workstation software.
This is very true. I've run both 4.7 and 5.x on 78032-based
hardware, and the performance between 4.7 and 5.0 (in particular) is
like night and day. 5.1 sped things up a little, but it never was as
fast as 4.7.
I've been able to find
DECtape II images of an upgrade only version of VMS 4.7 for use with
an 11/750, but can't seem to find anything that has the whole hog?
Does anybody know of a place where TK50 images of VMS/MicroVMS 4.7 as
well as a few other basics like VWS and maybe Pascal or Fortran or
BASIC might be found? Ideally, I'd like to get the setup process
written up and a few screenshots made for the curious, so any help
that can get me started would be most apprectiated.
This won't help you right now, but I do have what you're looking for.
I won't be able to get to those tapes for at least a month, perhaps
two. If you still haven't found that stuff by that time. ping me and
I'll see if I can help you out. I have to get moved, sort all of my
stuff, and then put together a system with a functioning TK50 drive (a
tough prospect even with as many TK drives as I have) and make images.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
6:54 p.m.
I've always liked ver 5.4 it seems like the sweet spot for VMS
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On May 26, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 5/26/11 4:44 PM, Michael Kerpan wrote:
If you follow the SIMH list at all, you may have
heard that the
preliminary version of a VAXstation 2000 emulator has been released
upon the world.
This is great news!
Judging from what I've heard on the VMS
newsgroup, a
system like that really works best with an older (4.x-era) version of
VMS along with the VWS workstation software.
This is very true. I've run both 4.7 and 5.x on 78032-based hardware, and the
performance between 4.7 and 5.0 (in particular) is like night and day. 5.1 sped things up
a little, but it never was as fast as 4.7.
I've been able to find
DECtape II images of an upgrade only version of VMS 4.7 for use with
an 11/750, but can't seem to find anything that has the whole hog?
Does anybody know of a place where TK50 images of VMS/MicroVMS 4.7 as
well as a few other basics like VWS and maybe Pascal or Fortran or
BASIC might be found? Ideally, I'd like to get the setup process
written up and a few screenshots made for the curious, so any help
that can get me started would be most apprectiated.
This won't help you right now, but I do have what you're looking for. I
won't be able to get to those tapes for at least a month, perhaps two. If you still
haven't found that stuff by that time. ping me and I'll see if I can help you out.
I have to get moved, sort all of my stuff, and then put together a system with a
functioning TK50 drive (a tough prospect even with as many TK drives as I have) and make
images.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL 
8:34 p.m.
At 6:54 PM -0400 5/26/11, Curt Vendel wrote:
I've always liked ver 5.4 it seems like the sweet
spot for VMS
With v5.5-2 you have the option of running modern commercial TCP/IP stacks.
Zane
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7:23 p.m.
From: Michael Kerpan
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 1:44 PM
If you follow the SIMH list at all, you may have heard
that the
preliminary version of a VAXstation 2000 emulator has been released
upon the world. Judging from what I've heard on the VMS newsgroup, a
system like that really works best with an older (4.x-era) version of
VMS along with the VWS workstation software.
I saw the discussion on the SimH list, then on alt.os.vms.
I used to have one of these under my desk at Stanford, but I've never
seen one running VMS. All of ours were running Ultrix; I'd like to
repeat that experience one of these days, though I doubt I'd be able
to find a copy of the X Window System, Release 10, such as I started
with.
Much of the discussion on c.o.v. had to do with the sluggishness of the
2000 under VMS. I found it a sprightly little beast under Ultrix, well
able to support X (both 10 and 11), but then, we didn't burden it with
Motif and all the other crap that underlay DECwindows, just raw X.
I remember the changeover from GNU Emacs 17.<something> to 18, doing the
work now done by autoconfig by hand and compiling.
Nostalgia ain't what it used to be, that's for sure!
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Server Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
7:28 p.m.
On 5/26/11 7:23 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
I used to have one of these under my desk at Stanford,
but I've never
seen one running VMS. All of ours were running Ultrix; I'd like to
repeat that experience one of these days, though I doubt I'd be able
to find a copy of the X Window System, Release 10, such as I started
with.
I too started with X10. X10R3 and X10R4 are around; I have the
source code here.
I remember the changeover from GNU Emacs
17.<something> to 18, doing the
work now done by autoconfig by hand and compiling.
I started with emacs 18.59.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
7:33 p.m.
On 5/26/11 1:44 PM, Michael Kerpan wrote:
If you follow the SIMH list at all, you may have heard
that the
preliminary version of a VAXstation 2000 emulator has been released
upon the world. Judging from what I've heard on the VMS newsgroup, a
system like that really works best with an older (4.x-era) version of
VMS along with the VWS workstation software. I've been able to find
DECtape II images of an upgrade only version of VMS 4.7 for use with
an 11/750, but can't seem to find anything that has the whole hog?
Does anybody know of a place where TK50 images of VMS/MicroVMS 4.7 as
well as a few other basics like VWS and maybe Pascal or Fortran or
BASIC might be found? Ideally, I'd like to get the setup process
written up and a few screenshots made for the curious, so any help
that can get me started would be most apprectiated.
I put a couple of tk50 images up under http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/vax/microvms
I'd be interested to know if they work.
I'll leave them up for a couple of days.
8:47 p.m.
At 4:33 PM -0700 5/26/11, Al Kossow wrote:
I put a couple of tk50 images up under
http://bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/vax/microvms
I'd be interested to know if they work.
I'll leave them up for a couple of days.
Cool! What format are these?
My Microvax III came with v4.something on its RD53. I was stupid and
didn't back it up when I booted it, it didn't come back a second
time. :-(
Zane
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| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
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