10 Nov
2011
10 Nov
'11
12:07 p.m.
Good evening to all DEC-Enthusiasts,
stumbling around the internet and my own archive I wondered about the
RSTS/E Distributions later than 9.6. I'd like to play with one of the last
versions but nothing seems to be available. Somewhere I had read about
licensing issues and the Mentec Discussion here. Does anyone know more of
the current RSTS/E Licensing status? Or even has a
distribution/documentation scanned? Any help with this questions would be
greatly appreciated!
Regards,
Wolfgang
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Operating System Collector
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Homepage: www.eichberger.org
11 Nov
11 Nov
12:55 a.m.
On 11 November 2011 04:07, Wolfgang Eichberger <oe5ewl at gmail.com> wrote:
Or even has a
distribution/documentation scanned? Any help with this questions would be
greatly appreciated!
I have a set of RSTS 10 images, including an installation tape, lying
around here somewhere, but I've never tried them out.
--
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of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese
people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot."
--Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the "don't be evil" mantra.
7:01 a.m.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Michael Richter <ttmrichter at gmail.com> wrote:
I have a set of RSTS 10 images, including an
installation tape, lying
around here somewhere, but I've never tried them out.
Is Mentec still around to object to them being posted? If not, I'd say
to go for it. If they are, then I'd hold off.
Mike
7:19 a.m.
On 11 November 2011 23:01, Michael Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com> wrote:
I have a set
of RSTS 10 images, including an installation tape, lying
around here somewhere, but I've never tried them out.
Is Mentec still around to object to them being posted?
If not, I'd say
to go for it. If they are, then I'd hold off.
It goes without saying that I would be *highly opposed* to people, say,
emailing me and asking me for the tape images.
Because that would be wrong.
--
"Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions
of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese
people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot."
--Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the "don't be evil" mantra.
10:35 a.m.
hmm. At least one RSTS 10 image file is publically available for quite a
while now as mentioned earlier in this conversation. (I definately
overlooked this. Had the link, even had downloaded the files. Time to tidy
up my storage system).
It'd be interesting if they (Mentec) still are in Business with RSTS. There
seems to be no active development for some years now. I do not tend to
imagine that hobbyist usage of more recent RSTS Distributions bothers them
but I may be terribly wrong.
Regards,
Wolfgang
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Operating System Collector
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Homepage: www.eichberger.org
2011/11/11 Michael Richter <ttmrichter at gmail.com>
On 11 November 2011 23:01, Michael Kerpan
<madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com>
wrote:
I have a
set of RSTS 10 images, including an installation tape, lying
around here somewhere, but I've never tried them out.
Is Mentec still around to object to them being
posted? If not, I'd say
to go for it. If they are, then I'd hold off.
It goes without saying that I would be *highly opposed* to people, say,
emailing me and asking me for the tape images.
Because that would be wrong.
--
"Perhaps people don't believe this, but throughout all of the discussions
of entering China our focus has really been what's best for the Chinese
people. It's not been about our revenue or profit or whatnot."
--Sergey Brin, demonstrating the emptiness of the "don't be evil" mantra.
10:44 a.m.
On 11/11/2011 01:35 PM, Wolfgang Eichberger wrote:
hmm. At least one RSTS 10 image file is publically
available for quite a
while now as mentioned earlier in this conversation. (I definately
overlooked this. Had the link, even had downloaded the files. Time to tidy
up my storage system).
It'd be interesting if they (Mentec) still are in Business with RSTS. There
seems to be no active development for some years now. I do not tend to
imagine that hobbyist usage of more recent RSTS Distributions bothers them
but I may be terribly wrong.
Mentec sold that stuff to another company, I don't recall their name
right now. I think they have no idea of what it is.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
11:27 a.m.
From: Dave McGuire
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:44 AM
On 11/11/2011 01:35 PM, Wolfgang Eichberger wrote:
> It'd be interesting if they (Mentec) still are
in Business with RSTS.
> There seems to be no active development for some years now. I do not
> tend to imagine that hobbyist usage of more recent RSTS Distributions
> bothers them but I may be terribly wrong.
Mentec sold that stuff to another company, I don't
recall their name
right now. I think they have no idea of what it is.
The company's name is XX2247, and they know precisely what it is. We
have a license from them for the PDP-11 software which Digital sold to
Mentec. (Media are a different matter. We're on our own for that part.)
The principals in XX2247 are well known in the PDP-11 arena.
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Server Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
mailto:RichA at vulcan.com
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
11:35 a.m.
On 11/11/2011 02:27 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
The company I'm thinking of is most definitely *not* XX2247, so I
think my information is out of date. The company having that name is
extremely encouraging. =)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA
Mentec sold
that stuff to another company, I don't recall their name
right now. I think they have no idea of what it is.
The company's name is XX2247, and they know precisely what it is. We
have a license from them for the PDP-11 software which Digital sold to
Mentec. (Media are a different matter. We're on our own for that part.)
The principals in XX2247 are well known in the PDP-11 arena. 
11:49 a.m.
Rich Alderson wrote:
The company's name is XX2247,
If I'm not mistaken, the company name is actually XX2247 LLC. They seem
to be keeping a very low profile.
The principals in XX2247 are well known in the PDP-11
arena.
The only name I can find associated with it is Dave Carroll, formerly of
Mentec, formerly of DEC.
There seems to be a personal-use license from XX2247 LLC for RT-11,
RSTS/E, RSX-11M, and RSX-11M+ at:
http://www.trailing-edge.com/a
12:33 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Eric Smith <eric at brouhaha.com> wrote:
Rich Alderson wrote:
Wow. That's nice to see. I notice that it doesn't specify any version
restrictions, so assuming digital media images can be found for stuff,
even the latest possible versions of things should be accessible to
hobbyists.
Mike
The company's name is XX2247,
If I'm not mistaken, the company name is actually XX2247 LLC. ?They seem to
be keeping a very low profile.
?The principals in XX2247 are well known in the
PDP-11 arena.
The only name I can find associated with it is Dave Carroll, formerly of
Mentec, formerly of DEC.
There seems to be a personal-use license from XX2247 LLC for RT-11, RSTS/E,
RSX-11M, and RSX-11M+ at:
? ? ? ?http://www.trailing-edge.com/a 
1:05 p.m.
There seems to be a personal-use license from XX2247
LLC for RT-11,
RSTS/E, RSX-11M, and RSX-11M+ at:
http://www.trailing-edge.com/a
I've not looked (And can't look for the moment). What does this license
actually permit (does it allow the use of these OSes on real hardware or
just on emulators?) Do I have to apply for anything, if some what/how?
-tony
27 Nov
27 Nov
1:44 p.m.
Eric Smith wrote:
Rich Alderson wrote:
Unfortunately, the file was replaced with images which were found
to be unusable. As a result, the file is no longer available.
Fortunately, I downloaded "a.pdf" before that. It is attached. The
MD5 value is also attached.
Jay, maybe you can save it on classiccmp which is hopefully more
secure. Or maybe Al Kossow can host it.
Does anyone have any comments?
Jerome Fine
The company's name is XX2247,
If I'm not mistaken, the company name is actually XX2247 LLC. They
seem to be keeping a very low profile.
The principals in XX2247 are well known in the
PDP-11 arena.
The only name I can find associated with it is Dave Carroll, formerly
of Mentec, formerly of DEC.
There seems to be a personal-use license from XX2247 LLC for RT-11,
RSTS/E, RSX-11M, and RSX-11M+ at:
http://www.trailing-edge.com/a 
1:55 p.m.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Unfortunately, the file was replaced with images which
were found
to be unusable. As a result, the file is no longer available.
Fortunately, I downloaded "a.pdf" before that. It is attached. The
MD5 value is also attached.
I don't think attachments make it through on the list; you'll probably have to
directly mail it.
- Dave
5:50 p.m.
On 11/27/11 1:44 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Jay, maybe you can save it on classiccmp which is
hopefully more
secure. Or maybe Al Kossow can host it.
Does anyone have any comments?
Yes
I absolutely WILL NOT host this. This was a work in progress.
Since Tim has NOT commented on this, why do people here insist
it is valid?
8:18 p.m.
New subject: [offlist]: RSTS > V9.6??
At 4:44 PM -0500 11/27/11, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Fortunately, I downloaded "a.pdf" before
that. It is attached. The
MD5 value is also attached.
Jerome,
Can you send me a copy? I didn't think to save it when I looked at
it recently.
At this point I really don't have any info on what's going on. A
couple weeks ago was the first I'd heard the name of Dave's company,
though I knew about him.
Thanks,
Zane
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8:25 p.m.
New subject: [offlist]: RSTS > V9.6??
Yeah, I need to learn how to change the To:. What can I say, I just
got back from a Trans Siberian Orchestra concert, and my heads still
ringing. :-)
Zane
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| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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1:55 p.m.
Eric Smith wrote:
Rich Alderson wrote:
Unfortunately, the file was replaced with images which were found
to be unusable. As a result, the file is no longer available.
Fortunately, I downloaded "a.pdf" before that. It is attached. The
MD5 value is also attached.
Jay, maybe you can save it on classiccmp which is hopefully more
secure. Or maybe Al Kossow can host it.
Does anyone have any comments?
Jerome Fine
The company's name is XX2247,
If I'm not mistaken, the company name is actually XX2247 LLC. They
seem to be keeping a very low profile.
The principals in XX2247 are well known in the
PDP-11 arena.
The only name I can find associated with it is Dave Carroll, formerly
of Mentec, formerly of DEC.
There seems to be a personal-use license from XX2247 LLC for RT-11,
RSTS/E, RSX-11M, and RSX-11M+ at:
http://www.trailing-edge.com/a
5:36 p.m.
Eric Smith wrote:
Rich Alderson wrote:
Unfortunately, the file was replaced with images which were found
to be unusable. As a result, the file is no longer available.
Fortunately, I downloaded "a.pdf" before that. Unfortunately, when
"a.pdf" is also attached, it does not make it through. If anyone wants a
copy of "a.pdf", I can e-mail it directly.
Jay, maybe you can save it on classiccmp which is hopefully more
secure. Or maybe Al Kossow can host it.
Does anyone have any comments?
Jerome Fine
The company's name is XX2247,
If I'm not mistaken, the company name is actually XX2247 LLC. They
seem to be keeping a very low profile.
The principals in XX2247 are well known in the
PDP-11 arena.
The only name I can find associated with it is Dave Carroll, formerly
of Mentec, formerly of DEC.
There seems to be a personal-use license from XX2247 LLC for RT-11,
RSTS/E, RSX-11M, and RSX-11M+ at:
http://www.trailing-edge.com/a
5:54 p.m.
Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Unfortunately, the file was replaced with images which
were found
to be unusable. As a result, the file is no longer available.
I get the distinct impression that the file wasn't intended (yet?) for
public consumption. However, Google found it somehow, as it turned up
near the top of search results for "XX2247 LLC".
Eric
6:19 p.m.
Eric Smith wrote:
Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Unfortunately, the file was replaced with images
which were found
to be unusable. As a result, the file is no longer available.
I get the distinct impression that the file wasn't intended (yet?) for
public consumption. However, Google found it somehow, as it turned up
near the top of search results for "XX2247 LLC". Al Kossow wrote: >On 11/27/11 1:44 PM, Jerome H.
Fine wrote:
>Jay, maybe you can save it on classiccmp which is
hopefully more
>secure. Or maybe Al Kossow can host it.
>
>Does anyone have any comments?
Yes
I absolutely WILL NOT host this. This was a work in
progress.
Since Tim has NOT commented on this, why do people here insist
it is valid?
Both of the comments by Eric Smith and Al Kossow are helpful and
would have been even MORE helpful when Eric sent his first e-mail
about the file on November 11, 2011.
Jerome Fine
6:35 p.m.
Hopefully, this "leak" hasn't killed the project that created the
document in the first place...
Mike
11 Nov
11 Nov
12:59 p.m.
The principals in XX2247 are well known in the PDP-11
arena.
With a name like that I should hope so!
...I think I still have my XX2247 somewhere...
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1:54 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
I've had one of those on my keyring since High School (when I got my
first PDP-8).
You never know when you might need to unlock the front panel of a
vintage DEC system.
-ethan
The principals
in XX2247 are well known in the PDP-11 arena.
With a name like that I should hope so!
...I think I still have my XX2247 somewhere... 
1:55 p.m.
The principals in XX2247 are well known in the PDP-11
arena.
The whois data for xx2247.org is illuminating.
De
2:17 p.m.
Dennis Boone wrote:
The whois data for xx2247.org is illuminating.
It is not obvious to me that there is any relation between xx2247.org
and XX2247 LLC. I'm not saying that there isn't such a relationship,
just that I don't see any reason to assume that there is one in the
absence of more information.
12 Nov
12 Nov
3:14 p.m.
On 11/11/2011 2:17 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
Dennis Boone wrote:
News <http://findarticles.com/p/articles/tn_news/> / Gazette, The (Colorado
Springs) <http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4191/> / Apr 25, 2010
<http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4191/is_20100425/>
Incorporations
XX2247 LLC - David T. Carroll, 13065 Pinery Drive.
So...
The whois data for xx2247.org is illuminating.
It is not obvious to me that there is any relation between xx2247.org and
XX2247 LLC. I'm not saying that there isn't such a relationship, just that I
don't see any reason to assume that there is one in the absence of more
information.
3:25 p.m.
Rich Alderson wrote:
The principals in XX2247 are well known in the PDP-11
arena.
I wrote:
The only name I can find associated with it is Dave
Carroll,
formerly of Mentec, formerly of DEC.
Dennis Boone wrote:
The whois data for xx2247.org is illuminating.
I wrote:
It is not obvious to me that there is any relation
between
xx2247.org and XX2247 LLC. I'm not saying that there isn't
such a relationship, just that I don't see any reason to assume
that there is one in the absence of more information.
Don North wrote:
XX2247 LLC - David T. Carroll, 13065 Pinery Drive.
That's what I wrote earlier. It still doesn't demonstrate that there's
any relationship between XX2247 LLC and xx2247.org, which is registered
to John Wilson.
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