6 Jul
2002
6 Jul
'02
10:10 p.m.
Well, I held off for a year and a half, but when the A1000 hit $5 I
couldn't help it. I bought it.
Now all I need is a keyboard, joystick, and a clue, none of which
were available at Goodwill. I do have a display, thanks to Bill
Bradford.
Will a 1541 or 1571 external floppy be a good addition? Which?
ISTR that there's no reasonable hope of genning up a boot floppy on a
PC or Mac, right? So I need to find someone to dupe disks to get
started? Or <shudder> pay for them?
Anybody have a pile of spare keyboards & mice?
Doc
7 Jul
7 Jul
5:07 a.m.
Doc Shipley wrote:
Well, I held off for a year and a half, but when the A1000 hit $5 I
couldn't help it. I bought it.
Now all I need is a keyboard, joystick, and a clue, none of which
were available at Goodwill. I do have a display, thanks to Bill
Bradford.
Keyboards are the tricky part Quite a few of them were destroyed
during a trade-up scheme by Commodore for the A2000. You can use a
keyboard for any of the big box Amigas if you make an adapter cable, but
then again it won't fit underneath the 1000 like the original did.
Will a 1541 or 1571 external floppy be a good
addition? Which?
Neither. Amigas use 3.5" DSDD drives, so what you need is a 1010 or
1011 or reasonable facsimile thereof. There was a 1020 5.25" drive that
looks almost identical to a 1571, but it is primarily for reading old
IBM DSDD floppies for file transfer.
ISTR that there's no reasonable hope of genning
up a boot floppy on a
PC or Mac, right? So I need to find someone to dupe disks to get
started? Or <shudder> pay for them?
You will need three disks. Kickstart, Workbench and Extras. Get 1.3
(the latest) as it has bugfixes and supports autobooting of harddrives,
if you ever find a HD controller for it.
Anybody have a pile of spare keyboards & mice?
The mouse is still commercially available through various Amiga vendors
for about $15-20 each. Keyboards are about $50 each and very rare, as
they are not the same as PC keyboards. Look for 10 function keys
instead of 12, and fewer keys in the area between the QWERTY and the
numeric keypad. A2000/3000 keyboards have a 5 pin DIN plug; the A4000
uses a mini-DIN. If you buy a keyboard and mouse, you will have more in
the 1000 than it is worth, sad to say.
One little known slick trick is that you can use the keyboard to emulate
mouse movements (Amiga patent). Awkward, but it works.
Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, MO
11:12 a.m.
--- Gary Hildebrand <ghldbrd(a)ccp.com> wrote:
Keyboards are about $50 each and very rare, as
they are not the same as PC keyboards. Look for 10 function keys
instead of 12, and fewer keys in the area between the QWERTY and the
numeric keypad.
Speaking of A1000 keyboards, does anyone have a destroyed one they
can let parts go from? I am repairing an A1000 keyboard for a friend
(two or three of the keys are shot from playing the same game over and
over) and I have no parts. I was going to pull a switch or two from an
uninteresting place (like "HELP" which never seems to get any use) to
get his letter keys functional.
What I _should_ do is give him an A500 in exchange for his A1000. It'll
play the same games and he won't miss the A1000 (not that I need another
one - I still have my original one from 1986, massively expanded). I
just figure it will be easier to support him if he has an A500.
If he _had_ a PeeCee, I'd get him an Amiga emulator.
-ethan
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7:04 a.m.
Well, I held off for a year and a half, but when the
A1000 hit $5 I
couldn't help it. I bought it.
Now all I need is a keyboard, joystick, and a clue, none of which
were available at Goodwill. I do have a display, thanks to Bill
Bradford.
Will a 1541 or 1571 external floppy be a good addition? Which?
Neither :-) those are for the Commodore 8-bits. Your (only?) choice for the
A1000 is a 1010, which is a single external 3.5", or maybe a 1020, which is
an external 5.25". The 1020 looks like a 1571, though.
ISTR that there's no reasonable hope of genning
up a boot floppy on a
PC or Mac, right? So I need to find someone to dupe disks to get
started? Or <shudder> pay for them?
I used to have some Kickstart disks around here that *might* start a A1000
but I'm not sure if I packed them off with the A1200 when I sold it (one of
my more stupid decisions). I'll look around.
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11:08 a.m.
> Well, I held off for a year and a half, but
when the A1000 hit $5 I
> couldn't help it. I bought it.
Nice find.
> Now all I need is a keyboard, joystick, and a
clue, none of which
> were available at Goodwill.
Keyboards for A1000s are in short supply, especially compared to CPU units.
Commodore had a trade-in deal at one point where you traded-in your A1000
on an A2000 by taking the keyboard to the dealer.
It is possible to fashion an RJ11<->DIN5 adapter to use an A2000/A3000
keyboard with an A1000, and the A4000 keyboard works if you add a PS/2-
DIN5 converter in the chain. There are also commercial products and
freeware projects to adapt an AT keyboard to the Amiga.
As for Joysticks, any Atari 2600-compatible joystick will do - get one
from a C-64 or wherever. If you are *lucky*, you can
find a real C=
joystick, or if even luckier, an Amiga joystick. They weren't
common
even when available new.
> Will a 1541 or 1571 external floppy be a good
addition? Which?
There _was_ a box to adapt the 1541 to the parallel port, but just for
reading C-64 disks. Natively, you need a 23-pin external floppy, either
the A1010 or a third-party drive. In any case, it's a "1MB" (raw) floppy,
giving you 880KB on the Amiga. And get real low-density media - don't
just tape over the hole on a high-density disk.
> ISTR that there's no reasonable hope of
genning up a boot floppy on a
> PC or Mac, right?
Exactly so. The Amiga reads and writes an entire track at a time, giving
11 sectors of 512 bytes by skimping on the inter-sector gap. In case
you didn't know, the graphics chips are used to transform the MFM data
from the diskette to binary data buffers. There is no
one dedicated floppy
chip as in a PeeCee.
So I need to find someone to dupe disks to get
started? Or <shudder> pay
for them?
You'll need someone to dup them for you. I don't think there's anywhere
to buy them from anymore.
What you probably want is KS1.2 or KS1.3 (little difference to an A1000).
2.04 was too large (512K) to fit in the WCS board on the A1000 (256K).
You probably have the 256KB memory upgrade behind the plastic panel next
to the internal floppy. Given that, you'll find little to run on a 512KB
Amiga these days. Some old stuff that also runs on an unexpanded A500
is about all you'll have. c. 1986, when I had a 512KB A1000 with a single
floppy drive, I remember playing Larn, Silent Service, Halley Project
and Leather Goddesses of Phobos. Other than that, I used it as an 80-col
terminal with VT100. It wasn't until I got another 1.5MB of RAM and a 20MB
disk (c. 1987) that the Amiga became a programming tool for me.
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11:28 a.m.
New subject: What is this?
In cleaning out the garage, I ran across three brand new what appear to
be 8" removeable cartridge units with no manufacturers ID that I
recognize. These three units are still sealed in their original plastic
wrapping except for the one I opened to try and find out what it is.
There are two dates, 11/26/84 on a test report taped to the unit, and
10/31/89 loose in the package; both refer to the same serial number. The
model is DP100 and it requires 24VDC @ 3.8A, 5VDC @ 2.5A max, and -12VDC
@ .5A. The only name I recognize is on the Pass/Fail Report and it has a
PASS.AS.DATAPOINT on it. Anyone have any clues as to what this might be?
7:07 p.m.
New subject: What is this?
Sounds like the good old original Bournelli Box data cartridges.... first
removal hard drives for PC's.... I remember working on those beasties....
the original design had an issue with the power board assembly and the
capacitors used to explode. They were packaged into IBM XT type cases and
when the caps blew it sounded like someone hit the case with the metal
baseball bat... when the case was opened, underneath the cover would be the
marks where the cap blew out.... of course this "feature" was fixed in later
versions ;-)
Curt
b
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Johnston" <marvin(a)rain.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:28 PM
Subject: What is this?
In cleaning out the garage, I ran across three brand new what appear to
be 8" removeable cartridge units with no manufacturers ID that I
recognize. These three units are still sealed in their original plastic
wrapping except for the one I opened to try and find out what it is.
There are two dates, 11/26/84 on a test report taped to the unit, and
10/31/89 loose in the package; both refer to the same serial number. The
model is DP100 and it requires 24VDC @ 3.8A, 5VDC @ 2.5A max, and -12VDC
@ .5A. The only name I recognize is on the Pass/Fail Report and it has a
PASS.AS.DATAPOINT on it. Anyone have any clues as to what this might be?
8 Jul
8 Jul
7:15 a.m.
New subject: Bernoulli drives was:Re: What is this?
Curt Vendel wrote:
Sounds like the good old original Bournelli Box data
cartridges.... first
removal hard drives for PC's.... I remember working on those beasties....
the original design had an issue with the power board assembly and the
capacitors used to explode. They were packaged into IBM XT type cases and
when the caps blew it sounded like someone hit the case with the metal
baseball bat... when the case was opened, underneath the cover would be the
marks where the cap blew out.... of course this "feature" was fixed in later
versions ;-)
Curt
for those interested in this sort of thing...
... there are 3 dual bournoulli 90 drives sitting at the
290/Goodwill here in NW houston. At least 4 of the drives had cartridges
in them
-nick
1:57 p.m.
New subject: Conquest???
When I was in college (thats right, I is an edumacated guy!) we used to play
in the computer labs during the evening a game called Conquest on DEC
VT100's... the school only had an 11/750 at the time and when about a dozen
or more of us were playing while others were compiling programs we'd bring
the VAX to its knees. So the Admin eventually removed it from the system
and that was the end of that. Conquest was a Star Trek game, you had
ships from Federation, Orion and Klingon star systems, you'd orbit a planet
to repair damage and such....
So, the question here is, has anyone else ever played this game and does
anyone know where I can find it to load onto a 3100 ???
Curt
11 Jul
11 Jul
2:01 p.m.
New subject: Conquest???
At 06:57 PM 7/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
[snip]
So, the question here is, has anyone else ever played this game and does
anyone know where I can find it to load onto a 3100 ???
Yes, Conquest was basically a VMS version of the great Plato game,
Empire (or =empire if you are a purist). I used to have a tarball with the
source but I have no idea where it is anymore, alas. I assume you google'd
a bit? You might do a usenet archive search.
GZ
12 Jul
12 Jul
7:25 a.m.
New subject: Conquest???
I found a few sites with the Unix of Conquest for Solaris, Linux and BSD so
I'm going to try it out and see if it comes close enough, otherwise I'll
keep digging around until I find the VMS version, thanks!
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Zaft" <zaft(a)azstarnet.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Conquest???
At 06:57 PM 7/8/2002 -0400, you wrote:
game,
[snip]
So, the question here is, has anyone else ever played this game and does
anyone know where I can find it to load onto a 3100 ???
Yes, Conquest was basically a VMS version of the great Plato Empire (or =empire if you are a purist). I used to
have a tarball with
the
source but I have no idea where it is anymore, alas.
I assume you
google'd
a bit? You might do a usenet archive search.
GZ
7 Jul
7 Jul
7:46 p.m.
New subject: What is this?
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Marvin Johnston wrote:
In cleaning out the garage, I ran across three brand
new what appear to
be 8" removeable cartridge units with no manufacturers ID that I
recognize. These three units are still sealed in their original plastic
wrapping except for the one I opened to try and find out what it is.
There are two dates, 11/26/84 on a test report taped to the unit, and
10/31/89 loose in the package; both refer to the same serial number. The
model is DP100 and it requires 24VDC @ 3.8A, 5VDC @ 2.5A max, and -12VDC
@ .5A. The only name I recognize is on the Pass/Fail Report and it has a
PASS.AS.DATAPOINT on it. Anyone have any clues as to what this might be?
Ah, they are probably date carthridges for a Datapoint removeable
carthridge hard drive system. I have a couple of the drives for them (big
suckers).
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8:11 p.m.
New subject: What is this?
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Marvin Johnston wrote:
Thanks, I wasn't aware that Datapoint made removeable HD systems.
Unfortunately, these are the drives only and I don't have any of the
cartridges ... at least as far as I know :).
In cleaning out the garage, I ran across three
brand new what appear to
be 8" removeable cartridge units with no manufacturers ID that I
recognize. These three units are still sealed in their original plastic
wrapping except for the one I opened to try and find out what it is.
There are two dates, 11/26/84 on a test report taped to the unit, and
10/31/89 loose in the package; both refer to the same serial number. The
model is DP100 and it requires 24VDC @ 3.8A, 5VDC @ 2.5A max, and -12VDC
@ .5A. The only name I recognize is on the Pass/Fail Report and it has a
PASS.AS.DATAPOINT on it. Anyone have any clues as to what this might be?
Ah, they are probably date carthridges for a Datapoint removeable
carthridge hard drive system. I have a couple of the drives for them (big
suckers). 
11:37 a.m.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
The popular (sloppy terminology) name for those is "720K disk" While the
unformatted capacity is a better way to differentiate diskettes, the
popular name is what you'll probably need to know when trying to buy some.
IFF somebody were to go to the effort of some relatively trivial software,
then they could be done with a Central Point Option Board (or Catweasel),
or even with almost any computer that uses a Western Digita 179x disk
controller chip (such as Coco or Kaypro). Those have a raw track
read/write cpability, as opposed to the multi-sector read/write supported
by the 765.
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XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com
> Will a
1541 or 1571 external floppy be a good addition? Which?
There _was_ a box to adapt
the 1541 to the parallel port, but just for
reading C-64 disks. Natively, you need a 23-pin external floppy, either
the A1010 or a third-party drive. In any case, it's a "1MB" (raw) floppy,
giving you 880KB on the Amiga. And get real low-density media - don't
just tape over the hole on a high-density disk. > ISTR
that there's no reasonable hope of genning up a boot floppy on a
> PC or Mac, right?
Exactly so. The Amiga reads and writes an entire track at
a time, giving
11 sectors of 512 bytes by skimping on the inter-sector gap. In case
you didn't know, the graphics chips are used to transform the MFM data
from the diskette to binary data buffers. There is no one dedicated floppy
chip as in a PeeCee. 
7:20 a.m.
Doc Shipley wrote:
Well, I held off for a year and a half, but when the
A1000 hit $5 I
couldn't help it. I bought it.
Now all I need is a keyboard, joystick, and a clue, none of which
were available at Goodwill. I do have a display, thanks to Bill
Bradford.
Will a 1541 or 1571 external floppy be a good addition? Which?
ISTR that there's no reasonable hope of genning up a boot floppy on a
PC or Mac, right? So I need to find someone to dupe disks to get
started? Or <shudder> pay for them?
Anybody have a pile of spare keyboards & mice?
Doc
What part of the country are you in? There's an Amiga store here in
Denver that's pretty well stocked. I could ask them if you're interested.
/mpm
8:11 a.m.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Michael Maginnis wrote:
What part of the country are you in? There's an Amiga store here in
Denver that's pretty well stocked. I could ask them if you're interested.
I'm in Austin Texas. I've been there, I think. About 3 blocks South
of all the Middle Eastern restaurants? VERY cool place, but I can't
remember the street name.
Doc
11:35 a.m.
Doc Shipley wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Michael Maginnis wrote:
Yeah, that's the one (in Aurora) - drawing a blank on the name as well.
Tons of Amiga A/V equipment along with the boxen.
/mpm
What part of the country are you in? There's
an Amiga store here in
Denver that's pretty well stocked. I could ask them if you're interested.
I'm in Austin Texas. I've been there, I think. About 3 blocks South
of all the Middle Eastern restaurants? VERY cool place, but I can't
remember the street name.
Doc
9:51 a.m.
Doc... you'll need an A1010 disk drive, the 8bit C64/128 disk drives (1541,
1571, 1581) will not work with the Amiga, different interfaces.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doc Shipley" <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
To: "Classic Computers" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 3:10 AM
Subject: Amiga 1000
Well, I held off for a year and a half, but when the
A1000 hit $5 I
couldn't help it. I bought it.
Now all I need is a keyboard, joystick, and a clue, none of which
were available at Goodwill. I do have a display, thanks to Bill
Bradford.
Will a 1541 or 1571 external floppy be a good addition? Which?
ISTR that there's no reasonable hope of genning up a boot floppy on a
PC or Mac, right? So I need to find someone to dupe disks to get
started? Or <shudder> pay for them?
Anybody have a pile of spare keyboards & mice?
Doc
10:57 a.m.
On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Doc Shipley wrote:
Now all I need is a keyboard, joystick, and a clue,
none of which
Hmmmm. Often the cheapest source of a keyboard, mouse, external drive,
etc. would be to buy a complete computer, keep the acessories that you
want, and then sell the main box that you don't want for $5 to somebody
like Doc.
try VCF in September
As to the clue, ...
most of us are clueless.
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