13 Jan
2001
13 Jan
'01
7:45 p.m.
From: THETechnoid(a)home.com <THETechnoid(a)home.com>
When you run a win3x application under 9x, the entire
multitasking
scheme
reverts to cooperative which not a nice thing to do
even to windos.
Also,
all win3x apps share the same space, one crashes, all
can crash because
of
it.
Actually I run Paradox/DOSV4.5 under win95 and if you set things up right
it can run protected dos space and the cooperative multitasking is only
within that virtual dos window. It's a bigger probem that it tried to
talk
to the printer directly and Windows blocks on that if the setup is not
exactly right.
As pertains to running windows programs, OS/2 does
'cooperative
preemption' in a way. If you want to run a win3x application, you can
either run it entirely in it's own, protected memory space (seamless),
or
in a shared, protected space (shared between several
win3x apps together
in the same space). In the first mode, if a seamless 3x app crashes, it
affects only it's own space. If an app running in shared space crashes,
it can crash all it's buddies sharing it's memory.
NT4 also has this and it works well. BUT, you have to watch as some dos
programs may try to share a file and you can get file locking problems.
OS/2 does not run Windows apps, it runs Windows. You
can run as many as
240 copies of Windows 3.11 with as many apps each as each can support.
Keep the education going.
I don't think there is another operating system out
there that is NEARLY
so flexible in supporting the multitasking of instances of other
operating
systems. In addition, each individual session can be
customized by
altering any of 75 provided settings for it such as priority, hardware
access, XMS and EMS and DPMI memory sizes, video refresh, and on and on
and on. Adjusting a setting in one dosbox affects only that box.
Win9x's
Its clear that NTs dos support is based on OS/2s.
Just for curiousity I've got a OS/2 Warp V3 kit including the bonus pack.
What would it take to get networking going (TCP/IP prefered)?
Also what later versions can be purchased and approximate cost?
Allison
15 Jan
15 Jan
11:55 a.m.
I think there might be some confusion about networking with versions of
OS/2 later than 2.11.
Warp 3 shipped a couple of months before Warp Connect. They are for
practical purposes the same product. If you've got the OS and bonus pack
on disk, then it is more than likely you already have TCP/IP and peer
networking etcetera. If you have any questions (like how to install a nic
driver if it didn't automatically detect yours, ask and I've got your
back.
I've got a couple of spare Connect Licenses and Cd's. I see it on E-bay
for single-digit dollars as well.
You can buy the very latest version from BMT Micro online. It is called
EcomStation and is basicly OS/2 Warp Server For E-Business without some of
the server functions such as security, but the only limit to the number of
connections a warp client will support short of it's bandwidth and
processor speed. There is a setting in the network performance tuning
dialog in which you can set the number of connections you can support.
EcomStation costs $238.00 for the full version sans SMP. SMP will cost
you another $99.00. At the moment, the Preview version of EcomStation is
what is being shipped. When it is finished you will receive another set
of cd's free of charge. It is kinda strange to call it a Preview because
IBM already finished the product. What Serenity Systems is doing is
bundleing apps and such.
You can go to the Serenity Systems website and check it out.
(http://www.ecomstation.com)
In <00c401c07dcc$51a4a940$07749a8d@ajp166>, on 01/15/01
at 12:55 PM, "ajp166" <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net> said:
Its clear that NTs dos support is based on OS/2s.
Just for curiousity I've got a OS/2 Warp V3 kit
including the bonus pack.
What would it take to get networking going (TCP/IP
prefered)?
Also what later versions can be purchased and
approximate cost?
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Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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1:36 p.m.
I think there might be some confusion about networking
with versions of
OS/2 later than 2.11.
Warp 3 shipped a couple of months before Warp Connect. They are for
practical purposes the same product. If you've got the OS and bonus pack
on disk, then it is more than likely you already have TCP/IP and peer
networking etcetera. If you have any questions (like how to install a nic
driver if it didn't automatically detect yours, ask and I've got your
back.
Yup... It doesn't detect nics because it doesn't include the
MPTN stuff and LAN drivers.
How do you get warp (not connect) to ethernet without violating
either IBM's MPTN (or is it MPTS) licenses.
I'd love to find a "legal" way without Warp Connect, TCP/IP or
Netware for OS/2 which have the necessary NDIS ethernet hooks...
Bill
(who owns 2 copies of Warp, 1 of Warp4)
--
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Brainbench MVP | Unix Sys Admin since Sys V/BSD 4.2
Unix Sys.Admin. | Windows System Administration: "Magical Misery Tour"
7:35 p.m.
There are a couple of free TCP/IP stacks for OS/2, but I'm not sure if
they provide the protocol transport and hardware interfaces.
If you have a copy of any other OS/2 that includes networking by default
(ie Warp connect, warp 4 etcetera), you can install MPTS and all other
products moraly if not legaly. I don't know the legal issues well enough
and don't really care. To me, if it is moral then it is fine whatever
licensing might say. I wouldn't deploy a system I had doubts about, but
in my home I will use what I like as I see fit.
I've grafted HPFS386 onto my warp machine because I own it via warp
server. I don't want to run the server product because it doesn't perform
as a desktop operating system as well as the desktop version does. Since
I'm not running the server os, I feel justified in grafting this excellent
filesystem upgrade onto my copy of EcomStation. I'm sure IBM wouldn't
care, and no court in the world would convict me for it though MS would
probably like to harm me for doing so.
Experimentaly, I've grafted TCP/IP and PPP onto OS/2 version 2.11 from my
warp connect Bonus Pack cd. It works well, but is probably not 'legal' in
the strict sense of the word......even though I own both. Another option
might be TCP/IP from the Bonus Pack and the Novell Netware client for OS/2
which, if MPTS is not installed will provide it's own transport.
MPTS has been called several things but stands for "Multi-Protocol
Transport Services" and provides the basis of OS/2 networking.
What people see as being OS/2 is actually a 'bundle' of separate products
which were once sold separately.
There is the OS/2 operating system, the workplace shell, the MPTS product,
the TCP/IP product, and the multimedia product to name a few. This
modular approach is one thing that makes OS/2 so scaleable. Like Linux and
BSD and unlike any Windos product, you don't NEED the GUI to have a useful
machine. Without the GUI, a 4mb 386sx with a small hard drive can be made
to perform useful work with good performance. There are also several
alternate GUI's provided that are not as processor intensive as the
Workplace Shell/Presentation Manager product. With OS/2 2.0, 2.1, and
2.11, there was even an alternate GUI that gave OS/2 a Windows 3.x look
and feel. Just like changing the Windows 9x gui to Progman.exe by editing
System.ini will give 9x a 3.x look and feel. Under 9x, you can also
"Start, Run, Progman".
I've found this facility in 9x to be useful in helping customers bridge
thier 3x experience to 9x. The worst of both worlds. <Grin>
Regards,
Jeff
In <200101151936.f0FJa3t13150(a)bg-tc-ppp790.monmouth.com>om>, on 01/15/01
at 08:35 PM, Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> said:
Yup... It doesn't detect nics because it
doesn't include the MPTN stuff
and LAN drivers.
How do you get warp (not connect) to ethernet without
violating either
IBM's MPTN (or is it MPTS) licenses.
I'd love to find a "legal" way without
Warp Connect, TCP/IP or Netware
for OS/2 which have the necessary NDIS ethernet hooks...
Bill
(who owns 2 copies of Warp, 1 of Warp4)
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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16 Jan
16 Jan
6:39 p.m.
THETechnoid skrev:
Experimentaly, I've grafted TCP/IP and PPP onto
OS/2 version 2.11 from my
warp connect Bonus Pack cd. It works well, but is probably not 'legal' in
the strict sense of the word......even though I own both. Another option
might be TCP/IP from the Bonus Pack and the Novell Netware client for OS/2
which, if MPTS is not installed will provide it's own transport.
For version 2.11, how about these files from Hobbes:
http://www.os2ss.com/archives/hobbes/os2/system/patches/v2.x/tcp20c1.exe
http://www.os2ss.com/archives/hobbes/os2/system/patches/v2.x/tcp20c2.exe
http://www.os2ss.com/archives/hobbes/os2/system/patches/v2.x/tcp20c3.exe
I downloaded these a while ago while I still had a 2.11 partition, but never
got around to attempting an install. I suppose all this networking has made me
too lazy to withstand disk juggling any more.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
S? ja. Forts?tt bara som du g?r s? kommer du i s?kerhet, och raka dig n?r du
kommer hem s? ser du kanske inte ut som en apa. Du kan ju leva ett ombonat
liv, t?lja tr?gubbar eller n?t s?nt.
Lupin III till Jigen, Lupin den otrolige (Lupin III vs. fukusei ningen),
TMS 1978
17 Jan
17 Jan
10:08 a.m.
New subject: memory IC's available
I've been picking through the wasteland (my basement) and find I have a
substantial number of of the 3-voltage DRAMs that were popular in the early
'80's and before. These include a number of MK4027 and equivalent 4k x 1
and 4116 and equivalent 16K x 1 devices. Some of the 16k-bit devices are of
the 4215 variety, which, though otherwise identical to the 4116, requires
twice as frequent a refresh cycle.
If you think you need some of these, please make your wishes known to me and
I'll distribute these as my ability to meet the needs of this varied bunch
allows. It's pretty clear that I won't be using many of these in the
future.
Dick
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