On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Bob Brown wrote: Serial to serial, or over a modem. I have spare Super Serial Cards if you need one. Let me know... -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Bob Brown wrote: I really like Procomm Plus For Windows on the PC and ProTerm on the Apple ][. If you need a copy of either then just holler. On the other hand, if you have a Linux box handy, you can log in to a shell session on one of the serial ports and then just dump the files on the Apple side and cat out the data to a file on the Linux box. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

On Thursday 11 December 2003 08:45, Bob Brown wrote: You don't need to run a getty running to transfer the data... getty is only necessary if you want to be able to log into the machine from a serial "terminal." All you should need to do on the host (Linux machine) side is start up a terminal emulator (such as Minicom or Kermit) and tell it to log the 'session' to a file. There's a command you can use in Applesoft Basic to redirect console I/O to a card in one of its slots - eg, the Super-Serial card. I don't know what it is, and can't find a refernce to it using google. Does someone else on the list remember how to do this? -- Purdue University ITAP/RCS Information Technology at Purdue Research Computing and Storage http://www.itap.purdue.edu/rcs/

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Patrick Finnegan wrote: Probably "PR#2", and "IN#2" (Presuming of course the SS card is in slot 2. (No, I can't remember the correct order though, so you may be typing blind) Speaking of A2 file transfers, anyone know how to get a A2-GS on a CAT-5 ethernet network? (And roughly how much it'd costs?) For file transfers, Serial tends to be too flakey, and slow for my tastes. I presume I'd need netatalk on the "server side", not certain what I'd need on the GS side? I've Linux, Solaris, IRIX, and (unfortunately) Windoze handy. No Macintoshes though. thanks, David PS: Costs.. Think US funds, I'm in Ohio.

Oops, one warning that bears repeating ... this applies to ProDOS 3.5" floppies only. NEVER EVER PLUG AN APPLE II 5.25" DRIVE INTO A MAC!!! The plug is the same, but the pinouts are horribly different, and this can easily destroy the computer's FDC so thoroughly even the internal drive won't work. The later Apple II series 3.5" drives can be safely attached to any Mac with a floppy port. Only the 5.25" drives (*all of them,* even the last revision of the UniDisk) are totally, utterly incompatible. -- ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser(a)floodgap.com -- I am an unmitigated Macintosh bigot. So there. -----------------------------

I've done pretty much the same thing. (A schematic of my network is at http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/~korpela/network.gif ) Unfortunately, I have a 140GB SNAP server and PC with multigigabyte drives using PC MacLAN on the ethernet. If either of these in on the network (the default condition) the //gs hangs in the chooser. I assume it's because of some filesystem size limit inherent in the //gs implementation of AFP. Anyone know of a work around? I'd really like to back up the SCSI drive on the //gs to the SNAP server. Some day in my copious spare time, I'll pull out a debugger.... Eric

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Eric J. Korpela wrote: You know you're a total nerd when you take time to craft a pretty diagram of your home network (yes, I've done the same :) Have you tried a later OS version? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Eric J. Korpela wrote: It's pertty outdated. I'd have to spend an hour updating it (VPN to the office plus the phone and voicemail networking that I still have to finish the design for :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 14:35, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: Yah, your coorect. My AppleSoft/A2 knowledge is _very_ rusty anymore. That'd involve buying a Macintosh, which unless its big enough to run OSX/*BSD I'm not all that interested in doing. (Unless of course someone has a free one they want to give away. :-) ) There is this thing: http://lancegs.a2central.com/specs/index.html However, I believe they wanted something like 150$ for it. (More than I was really wanting to pay) If I remember correctly, somewhere there's a FCC application from Apple for a A2 ethernet device, but I think the project got canned before the boards saw the light of day. There's also Marinetti for the A2-GS/GSOS for a TCP/IP stack: http://www.apple2.org/marinetti/ I purchased a CFFA card ( http://dreher.net/CFforAppleII/ ) for the IIgs a while ago. So basically I now have 128Mb "floppy disks" for the IIgs. My plan was: 1) Get ProDOS & GS/OS on the CFFA/IIgs via Serial. 2) Get AppleTalk/Ethernet into the IIgs. 3) Transfer disk images via ethernet to the CFFA card. 4) Write ProDOS/GSOS program to write disk image back out to 5.25" floppies. (Presuming the programs themselves aren't already ProDOS/GSOS compatible) TCP/IP doesn't sound really all that necessary in this scenario. I suppose thinking about it I could code up something in Linux that'd let me plop the stuff I needed directly on a Compact Flash card via my USB 6-in-1 reader, but that isn't as interesting to me as putting my IIgs "on the net". Its step #2 that's giving me the hard part, as I don't know exactly what what little bits of hardware I need to translate ethernet->localtalk(?) (It is my understanding there's already localtalk ports on the back of a IIgs) Step #4 could be hard too, but I used to know A2's pretty well, I'm sure I could refresh much of those rusty bits of memory. I've gotten as far as getting ProDOS to boot off the CFFA, then I started looking around for ethernet connectivity, and gotten no further.

Ok...I'm looking into the ADT route using apple oasis. It looks like the 'Apple II disk manager' is the portion of apple ][ oasis that I'd use to pull the text files out of my apple disk images and into windows (for porting to hp200), is that right? I'm a bit lost in the apple II disk manager interface. There is reference to 'associations' and conversions. If I drill down in the file manager portion of the screen to a DSK image, and see a file that I want to pull into windows, how do I do it? thanks! -Bob On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:

So far, the help file doesn't appear to help. -Bob bbrown(a)harpercollege.edu #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Bob Brown wrote: I assume you've tried double-clicking on the .dsk image icon to see if it pulls up a directory? Again, I haven't used the program so I wouldn't no, but it would seem logical. If I get some time this weekend I'll play around with it. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, Bob Brown wrote: Bob, you've got a bad sector on the disk you're trying to transfer. Do you mean to say that you thought you'd be able to transfer disk images Do you have matched baud rates, parity, stop bits, etc. on both sides? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Bob Brown wrote: Me too. When I messed with it I used a pure DOS box. Windows wasn't there to get it's fat, bloated ass in the way. Very cool! You did it all yourself :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Bob Brown wrote: There's generally a serial startup file in the /etc/rc.d directory. Inside that you'll usually find a bunch of serial configuration commands commented out. Pick one that works for your serial setup (COM port, interrupt, etc.) and then do a "serial restart" and you should be up and running. Don't forget the null modem device. Yes, it's basically a terminal emulation program, and was pretty much THE one when the Apple ][ was in its heyday. You don't absolutely need it (you can use the firmware in the Super Serial Card, which sucks) but it would make things a whole lot easier. I was looking for a program that I remember that allowed you to transfer files between the Apple ][ and a PC over a serial port using drag and drop but I can't find it. However, I did find this: http://www.geocities.com/apl24win/DESCRIPT.HTM Transfer files through the Apple ][ I/O port to a parallel port on the PC. Ok, it could have been done easier with serial ports, but this eliminates the necessity of having a serial card on the Apple ][, which can be hard to find for some people (I have scads of them). A very neat concept. I'll have to play with it. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Bob Brown wrote: I just tried it again and it worked fine. Try cutting & pasting the address again. See below. It is easy. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]