4 Aug
2002
4 Aug
'02
2:25 p.m.
I wonder how long it will be before some fool donates a PDP or some
other piece of kit we hold near and dear to our hearts, to these miscreants.
Sure, it's amusing when it's a 286 being pipe-bombed, but probably not
so much fun (for me, anyway) when they get their hands on an Amiga or a Sol.
It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye...
http://www.letsblowitup.com/default.shtml
4 Aug
4 Aug
2:44 p.m.
on 8/4/02 9:24 PM, Mike Maginnis at celt(a)chisp.net wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before some fool donates
a PDP or some
other piece of kit we hold near and dear to our hearts, to these miscreants.
Sure, it's amusing when it's a 286 being pipe-bombed, but probably not
so much fun (for me, anyway) when they get their hands on an Amiga or a Sol.
It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye...
http://www.letsblowitup.com/default.shtml
Ah, another monument to human intelligence. I don't want these people within
500 feet of me or my house. Maybe they'll stop once they burn down a couple
hundred thousand acres of forest or something.
--
Owen Robertson
2:45 p.m.
On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Mike Maginnis wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before some fool donates
a PDP or some
other piece of kit we hold near and dear to our hearts, to these
miscreants.
Sure, it's amusing when it's a 286 being pipe-bombed, but probably not
so much fun (for me, anyway) when they get their hands on an Amiga or a
Sol.
Ah, just think of all the shrapnel bring propelled in their direction
should they even consider going after any big-iron ;)
-Toth
2:51 p.m.
Tothwolf wrote:
On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Mike Maginnis wrote:
Will all the destruction going on in the news, why can't someone do
something more CONSTRUCTIVE and not DEstructive. Any jerk can blow up
something, and the WTC disaster is a lesson in spades here.
Gary Hildebrand
Computer lover and peacenik
I wonder how long it will be before some fool
donates a PDP or some
other piece of kit we hold near and dear to our hearts, to these
miscreants.
Sure, it's amusing when it's a 286 being pipe-bombed, but probably not
so much fun (for me, anyway) when they get their hands on an Amiga or a
Sol.
Ah, just think of all the shrapnel bring propelled in their direction
should they even consider going after any big-iron ;)
-Toth 
5 Aug
5 Aug
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1:05 p.m.
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
WARNING: Not for the faint of heart.
OK, this flame war is getting out of hand... Personally I dont see
anything wrong with people doing * to whatever they own, including their
body. That's my opinion. It sickens me to see people that try to tell
them 'No! I know what's better for you!' This is the same attitude that
is gonna allow the MPAA and RIAA to do * to your computer, legally, in the
interests of 'copyright protection.'
So, can we all just *pretend* to get along, and drop this silly thread?
-- Pat
Will all the
destruction going on in the news, why can't someone do
something more CONSTRUCTIVE and not DEstructive. Any jerk can blow up
Because being constructive implies you have a working brain, which
certain people clearly don't! As you said, any jerk can blow up
something, but few people could put it together in the first place. No, I
am not happy about this.
something, and the WTC disaster is a lesson in
spades here.
The obvious conclusion to draw from your comments is that these people
are jerks. Something that I entirely agree with. 
1:32 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 09:04 PM
Subject: Re: Blowing Up Old Computers
<snip>
OK, this flame war is getting out of hand... Personally I dont see
anything wrong with people doing * to whatever they own, including their
body. That's my opinion. It sickens me to see people that try to tell
them 'No! I know what's better for you!' This is the same attitude that
is gonna allow the MPAA and RIAA to do * to your computer, legally, in the
interests of 'copyright protection.'
Flames? Where? This didn't look like a flamewar to me (at least, not yet--
give me a minute... ;) It sounded to me like people commiserating the fact
that others have to break up *, that would be much cherished by some, just
because they can't see a use for it. In a throw-away society, destruction
as entertainment should be avoided.
As for `* to your own body' (talk about topic drift!), well, people have as
much right to mark the current fads indelibly on their body as I do to
snicker at them. That's my flam^H^H^H^Hopinion.
Ob Classiccmp: How many non-wintel laptops are on-topic? My SPARCbook2
fits the bill I believe, are there any others? Not even clones or
nearly-clones, but honest-to-goodness Alternative Architectures?
So, can we all just *pretend* to get along, and drop this silly thread?
-- Pat
Bob
1:37 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Schaefer" <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org>
Ob Classiccmp: How many non-wintel laptops are
on-topic? My SPARCbook2
fits the bill I believe, are there any others? Not even clones or
nearly-clones, but honest-to-goodness Alternative Architectures?
Bob
I would guess that my 32K Tandy Model 100 would be on topic.
4:40 p.m.
New subject: Non-Intel Laptops was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers
At 09:32 PM 5/08/2002 -0400, Robert Schaefer wrote:
Ob Classiccmp: How many non-wintel laptops are
on-topic? My SPARCbook2
fits the bill I believe, are there any others? Not even clones or
nearly-clones, but honest-to-goodness Alternative Architectures?
Well obviously things like the Epson PX-8 and HX-20. The Tandy/Radio Shack 100?
There's sure to be a 10 year old Mac laptop or two. I think the Digital
AlphaBook
is more than 10 years old too - this being the only "old" laptop I'd pay
real money for.
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au
| "If God had wanted soccer played in the
| air, the sky would be painted green"
6 Aug
6 Aug
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7:08 a.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
>Ob Classiccmp: How many non-wintel laptops are
on-topic? My SPARCbook2
<snip>
Was the first Mac Laptop released before 1992 (which would make it
on-topic here)?
-tony
The Macintosh Portable was released in September 89 and discontinued in
Feb 91. I had a non-working one (broken screen) until February. Now
its a mess of melted plastic.
Mike
9:25 a.m.
New subject: Macintosh Portable, was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers
At 01:05 PM 8/6/02 -0600, you wrote:
The Macintosh Portable was released in September 89 and
discontinued in
Feb 91. I had a non-working one (broken screen) until February. Now its
a mess of melted plastic.
I've got a Macintosh Portable sitting here, but I need a power supply and
(I'm told)
a new battery for it. Any sources or recommendations?
Cheers,
Dan
10:49 a.m.
New subject: Macintosh Portable, was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers
Dan Veeneman wrote:
At 01:05 PM 8/6/02 -0600, you wrote:
There's an article at
http://www.orcawerks.com/sgi/misc/macportable/
on connecting up a 9V 1A battery. Note that the Portable uses Pb
batteries as opposed to Li-on.
Careful though - a faulty battery was the cause of the meltdown
(literally) I experienced.
As far as wall-wart power supplies, I'm fairly certain there are still
refurb outfits that sell these (and other Mac portable parts). You
might start your search at the Low End Mac site (couple of battery pages
here as well).
http://www.lowendmac.com/pb/portable.shtml
Mike
The Macintosh Portable was released in September
89 and discontinued
in Feb 91. I had a non-working one (broken screen) until February.
Now its a mess of melted plastic.
I've got a Macintosh Portable sitting here, but I need a power supply
and (I'm told)
a new battery for it. Any sources or recommendations?
Cheers,
Dan
2:59 p.m.
New subject: Macintosh Portable, was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers
Dan,
P-mail me... I can probably help you out.
Jim
Mike Maginnis wrote:
Dan Veeneman wrote:
At 01:05 PM 8/6/02 -0600, you wrote:
There's an article at
http://www.orcawerks.com/sgi/misc/macportable/
on connecting up a 9V 1A battery. Note that the Portable uses Pb
batteries as opposed to Li-on.
Careful though - a faulty battery was the cause of the meltdown
(literally) I experienced.
As far as wall-wart power supplies, I'm fairly certain there are still
refurb outfits that sell these (and other Mac portable parts). You
might start your search at the Low End Mac site (couple of battery pages
here as well).
http://www.lowendmac.com/pb/portable.shtml
Mike
.
The Macintosh Portable was released in September
89 and discontinued
in Feb 91. I had a non-working one (broken screen) until February.
Now its a mess of melted plastic.
I've got a Macintosh Portable sitting here, but I need a power supply
and (I'm told)
a new battery for it. Any sources or recommendations?
Cheers,
Dan
28 Aug
28 Aug
5:35 a.m.
New subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
I had this idea for a keyboard adapter for classic machines, but I
don't understand the 40-pin "keyboard BIOS" microcontroller well
enough to know if it's possible...
The idea is this - a PS/2-keyboard to RS-232 converter - plug in
any AT- style keyboard, hook the other end into the receive pin of the
target's console port. I started from a) a microprocessor-based
OMNIBUS peripheral and wanted to put an LCD or VFD on it for
status and control. Then I decided I wanted to be able to
_talk_ to the embedded processor, not just listen, but without
the bulk and hassle of a dedicated VT100 or laptop. If I could
cobble up a simple way to turn PS/2-style keyboard strokes into
9600 baud ASCII characters, I could leave that circuit in place
and plug in a keyboard as needed.
I know that the 6402 serial chip can be strapped to operate in a
dumb converter mode - I've seen it used in GPIB<->serial boxes
for the PET with no microcontroller in the box. Depending on
the microprocessor-facing end of an AT "keyboard BIOS" chip, I
was thinking that you could pull one from an old motherboard
(that still had them independent from the core chipset), run
the scan codes through a translator EPROM, use the "release"
scan codes as a trigger to a latch that would hold the character
in place for the 6402 to send. Three major chips and about an
afternoon of point-to-point wiring, maybe a TTL part or two,
to drive the keyboard and maybe trigger the UART.
Does this sound like a reasonable approach? I'm not opposed to
using a PIC or Atmel microcontroller, but a no-CPU approach
with stuff from my junk box is especially appealing. I have
a lifetime supply of low density EPROMs, a stack of 6402s and
old motherboards with removable keyboard chips. Just not sure
it's possible since I don't understand the keyboard chip at the
moment.
So... is there a good place (on the web) to learn about the
"keyboard BIOS" chip? Alternatively, is there already a project
like this that I can clone? If anyone has any examples of how
to attach a PeeCee keyboard to a 68000 or 6502 directly, without
going through a UART, I guess I'd be interested in that, too; but
since I was already planning on sticking a Z8530 or 6551 or 16550
chip on the OMNIBUS board anyway, I might as well use the same
serial port for all embedded console I/O.
Thanks for any pointers,
-ethan
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Ethan,
Look through the back of any Circuit Cellar or Nuts'n'Volts mag. There are
a number of PS/2 and PC/AT keyboard to serial converters. And I believe
Circuit Cellar had just such a project a few years ago.
--John
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]On
Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 13:35
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
I had this idea for a keyboard adapter for classic machines, but I
don't understand the 40-pin "keyboard BIOS" microcontroller well
enough to know if it's possible...
The idea is this - a PS/2-keyboard to RS-232 converter - plug in
any AT- style keyboard, hook the other end into the receive pin of the
target's console port. I started from a) a microprocessor-based
OMNIBUS peripheral and wanted to put an LCD or VFD on it for
status and control. Then I decided I wanted to be able to
_talk_ to the embedded processor, not just listen, but without
the bulk and hassle of a dedicated VT100 or laptop. If I could
cobble up a simple way to turn PS/2-style keyboard strokes into
9600 baud ASCII characters, I could leave that circuit in place
and plug in a keyboard as needed.
I know that the 6402 serial chip can be strapped to operate in a
dumb converter mode - I've seen it used in GPIB<->serial boxes
for the PET with no microcontroller in the box. Depending on
the microprocessor-facing end of an AT "keyboard BIOS" chip, I
was thinking that you could pull one from an old motherboard
(that still had them independent from the core chipset), run
the scan codes through a translator EPROM, use the "release"
scan codes as a trigger to a latch that would hold the character
in place for the 6402 to send. Three major chips and about an
afternoon of point-to-point wiring, maybe a TTL part or two,
to drive the keyboard and maybe trigger the UART.
Does this sound like a reasonable approach? I'm not opposed to
using a PIC or Atmel microcontroller, but a no-CPU approach
with stuff from my junk box is especially appealing. I have
a lifetime supply of low density EPROMs, a stack of 6402s and
old motherboards with removable keyboard chips. Just not sure
it's possible since I don't understand the keyboard chip at the
moment.
So... is there a good place (on the web) to learn about the
"keyboard BIOS" chip? Alternatively, is there already a project
like this that I can clone? If anyone has any examples of how
to attach a PeeCee keyboard to a 68000 or 6502 directly, without
going through a UART, I guess I'd be interested in that, too; but
since I was already planning on sticking a Z8530 or 6551 or 16550
chip on the OMNIBUS board anyway, I might as well use the same
serial port for all embedded console I/O.
Thanks for any pointers,
-ethan
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> The idea is this - a PS/2-keyboard to RS-232
converter - plug in
> any AT- style keyboard, hook the other end into the receive pin of the
> target's console port. I started from a) a microprocessor-based
The cheapest way to build that, if you don't mind the extra bulk, ...
Take one generic AT, plus keyboard, plus serial port.
Write code in a polled loop, or interrupt driven, to get keystrokes and
send them out the serial port. (there is some software already available
that includes that capability (such as PC-Talk)
3:14 p.m.
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--- "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> wrote:
> > The idea is this - a PS/2-keyboard to RS-232
converter - plug in
> > any AT- style keyboard, hook the other end into the receive pin of
> > thE target's console port. I started from a) a microprocessor-based
The cheapest way to build that, if you don't mind
the extra bulk, ...
Take one generic AT, plus keyboard, plus serial port.
Write code in a polled loop, or interrupt driven, to get keystrokes and
send them out the serial port. (there is some software already available
that includes that capability (such as PC-Talk)
If I did it by replacing the BIOS ROM, I'd consider it. The bulk is
more than I really want to deal with (not that it would dwarf a PDP-8/e
or PDP-8/a, but it wouldn't be a portable solution.
It's true - the lowest effort solution is to take a junk PC and let it
do all the work. Not very small and not very power efficient.
-ethan
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3:31 p.m.
New subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
At 20:14 08/28/2002 -0700, you wrote:
[ga-snippage...]
It's true - the lowest effort solution is to take a
junk PC and let it
do all the work. Not very small and not very power efficient.
Just found this on 'net-walkabout...
http://www.beyondlogic.org/keyboard/keybrd.htm
More info than you could ever wanna know about how to interface to a PC/AT
keyboard....
HTH,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
3:45 p.m.
New subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
Roger Merchberger wrote:
At 20:14 08/28/2002 -0700, you wrote:
[ga-snippage...]
What I would like to see a small micro processer board
with a flash memory and a serial port and a few switches.
This would be used to emulate a paper tape reader/punch
for things like bootstraps and other small programs like
FOCAL for the PDP-8 or other early computers that did
not boot from BASIC in rom.
It's true - the lowest effort solution is to
take a junk PC and let it
do all the work. Not very small and not very power efficient.
Just found this on 'net-walkabout...
http://www.beyondlogic.org/keyboard/keybrd.htm
More info than you could ever wanna know about how to interface to a
PC/AT keyboard....
HTH,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
4:08 p.m.
New subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
Ben Franchuk wrote:
What I would like to see a small micro processer board
with a flash memory and a serial port and a few switches.
This would be used to emulate a paper tape reader/punch
for things like bootstraps and other small programs like
FOCAL for the PDP-8 or other early computers that did
not boot from BASIC in rom.
This would be remarkably easy to do. And, in fact, could contain a
mechanism to read paper tape. Rather than using FLASH on a micro, I'd use
an MMC card, so that after I stored my 128MB of paper tape images, I could
switch out cards.
While time has been a constraint, I've been mentally designing a similar
concept device for Sinclair 1000s and ZX-81. A device with a 2 x 16 LCD, an
MMC card, and a micro that would allow saving and loading of programs to the
MMC instead of cassette tape. You'd be able to enter the filename on the
LCD, or perhaps use a TSR on the ZX81 to assign a program name prior to the
save. Then you could copy the MMC card on a Windows/Linux machine (DOS
format filesystem), and swap cards with your friends.
And with just a little software, I'm sure it could support Apples, PETs, IBM
PCs, and anything else that had a cassette port. Basically, you'd just need
to know the encoding standard, and as they say, "The rest is software".
--John
29 Aug
29 Aug
6:32 a.m.
New subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, J.C. Wren wrote:
While time has been a constraint, I've been
mentally designing a similar
concept device for Sinclair 1000s and ZX-81. A device with a 2 x 16 LCD,
an MMC card, and a micro that would allow saving and loading of programs
to the MMC instead of cassette tape. You'd be able to enter the filename
on the LCD, or perhaps use a TSR on the ZX81 to assign a program name
prior to the save. Then you could copy the MMC card on a Windows/Linux
machine (DOS format filesystem), and swap cards with your friends.
Cool idea. I'd buy one :)
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8:46 a.m.
New subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, J.C. Wren wrote:
Same here if it does serial as well.
While time has been a constraint, I've been
mentally designing a similar
concept device for Sinclair 1000s and ZX-81. A device with a 2 x 16 LCD,
an MMC card, and a micro that would allow saving and loading of programs
to the MMC instead of cassette tape. You'd be able to enter the filename
on the LCD, or perhaps use a TSR on the ZX81 to assign a program name
prior to the save. Then you could copy the MMC card on a Windows/Linux
machine (DOS format filesystem), and swap cards with your friends.
Cool idea. I'd buy one :)
28 Aug
28 Aug
3:22 p.m.
New subject: Need PC-AT "keyboard BIOS" docs
--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I know it's a pre-programmed microcontroller, but in the U.S., if you
go to a PeeCee shop, that is what they call it.
I was attempting to use the 8042 as the microcontroller in this
circuit without an additional microcontroller that I would have
had to program and debug.
I had this idea for a keyboard adapter for classic machines, but I
don't understand the 40-pin "keyboard BIOS" microcontroller well
enough to know if it's possible...
I am not sure where the term 'keyboard BIOS' came from, but it can go
back there :-) You may not need the PC-compatible 8042 chip for this.
Information on the
serial interface to the keyboard exists as well.
True, it does, but I was investigating if I could use an existing
microcontroller for that or not.
And I would have thought you could program just about
any
microcontroller to talk to the keyboard on one side and
the RS232 line on the other
Yes, but since this 8042 is already set up to do it, *and* it takes
care of any undocumented or poorly documented "features", I was
thinking it could be a faster/simpler solution.
I know that
the 6402 serial chip can be strapped to operate in a
dumb converter mode...
Although I normally do things like that, this is one time when a
microcontroller would be more efficient, I think. You really want an IBM PC/AT Techref....
OK. That's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for.
You could _trivially_ hang the 8042 keyboard interface
chip off the bus
of either of those CPUs.
It's an alternative I'm considering. All I really need is a way to
use a cheap keyboard, occasionally, not full time, to play with the
innards of what is, essentially, an I/O board with an embedded
microprocessor. I am already going to have a UART, so I wanted to
explore the possibility of using the recieve side to listen to a
keyboard with a minimal amount of stuff in between.
Thanks,
-ethan
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--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
You mean you can actually buy them as loose chips? You have better PC
shops that we do....
I doubt it, especially now that modern motherboards have integrated
the keyboard interface.
I did not mean to suggest that you could ever buy one loose, but if
you brought your machine in for service, that would be how they described
where the fault was if the keyboard didn't respond... i.e., "your
keyboard BIOS is fried."
I am not sure where the term 'keyboard BIOS'
came from, but it can go
back there :-)
I know it's a pre-programmed microcontroller, but in the U.S., if you
go to a PeeCee shop, that is what they call it. I assume you also realise that the 8042 outputs PC
keyboard scan codes,
and it's up to you to translate them into characters. This can be done in
hardware (using an EPROM as a lookup table, and some logic to handle
shift/control (you have to detect those scancodes and set/clear
flip-flops for the shift/control status). It's possible, but not trivial.
That was the idea - a translator ROM.
Of course there _are_ keyboards with plain async
outputs [1] which would
trivially link to the receiver side of your UART, but they are a lot less
common than the PC/AT one.
[1] Obvious examples : PERQ 2 keyboard, Xerox Daybreak keyboard, DEC
LK201. You'd have to do a bit of hardware interfacing to convert signal
levels, of course...
The LK201 emits ASCII not scan codes? Cool. I can handle that (or did
you just mean async characters at a reasonable baud rate?) I guess
I'll have to track down the docs to them. Converting the signal levels
is no big shake.
Thanks,
-ethan
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--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
The UART is local to the 68000 which sits on the OMNIBUS. Since I
have the circuit diagrams and licenses to real Qbus and Unibus and
VAXBI peripheral boards based on the 68000, I was thinking of adapting
the design to the OMNIBUS. The 68K sits there and does single-cycle
databreak and/or programmed I/O to the OMNIBUS, but listens to any
IOTs I tell it to. It has a modern disk interface and perhaps a spare
serial port. Its primary serial port would have a serial LCD or VFD
display for status (and maybe blinkenlights), and accept a keyboard for
simple, local monitoring, debugging and configuration. I want to use
an available, inexpensive keyboard.
Given the design so far, either taking a real 8042 from an old PeeCee
or using an LK201 are acceptable keyboard designs. I could just use
a dumb terminal (or PeeCee running a terminal package), but I wanted
something small and dedicated for doing input to the 68000. I'll
have a dedicated display for its output (I have several PD3000 "Pole
Displays" - 2x20 VFDs from cash registers/tills)
Essentially, I'm envisioning a user-definable I/O peripheral. It
behaves like any device you ask it to. I'm trying to decide ATA/IDE
vs SCSI and am thinking of both. With IDE, it can use flash cards
(I have adapter frames) and inexpensive modern disks. With SCSI, it
can use inexpensive modern disks, including removables like SyQuest
drives (have more than one).
It's a design I've been kicking around in my head for a while. I have
a DataSystem 310 desk and -8/a arriving in a few weeks. It's enough to
put my brain back in OMNIBUS mode.
-ethan
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> Of course
there _are_ keyboards with plain async outputs...
How exactly is your board designed? Is the UART on the host bus (Omnibus
IIRC), or is there a CPU in the way? If the latter, then I really would
consider using that CPU to help with the keyboard interfacing.
30 Aug
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--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > How exactly is your board designed?
> The UART is local to the 68000 which sits on the OMNIBUS....
In which case, assuming you have some spare space in
the 68K's memory map
(and I can't believe that you don't)
Plenty of spare memory space. The basic COMBOARD design is the top two
address bits select local RAM vs shared memory vs I/O vs ROM. The RAM
area is 4MB of space with 32KB (2114s) or 128KB (4116s) or 512KB (41256)
or 2MB of RAM (44256s). All the DRAM models use a 74S409 for refresh.
There is a COM 5025 or Zilog Z8530 for Bisync/HDLC comms, and on most
models, a parallel port for a dataproducts or (with external printer
adapter) DEC LA180. The original model uses the second port of the 6821
for an external programmers console - blinkenlights for debugging.
The shared memory (in all the later models) is big fun - the 68K has up
to 22 bits of what it thinks is local memory. The shared memory circuit,
when enabled by a bit in the CSR, turns those memory accesses into DMA
cycles on the host bus. The code that moves buffers on and off the board,
looks just like a memory-to-memory block copy. The shared memory circuit
holds the 68000 off until the DMA cycle repeats. Timeouts are possible
but a sign of very bad things.
As an aside, I have used this feature, in conjunction with a Fluke 9010
and 68K pod to test RAM chips on Qbus boards.
then the easiest solution is to wire up the 8042 to
the 68K's bus. Look
at the PC/AT schematics in the TechRef to see what's needed
I'll do that when I get to the hard design phase. I still have to figure
out how I'm going to make a bunch of TTL cause a databreak cycle.
Alternatively you could wire up an LK201 to the UART,
but you really need
both halves of the UART to communicate with the LK201. It is _very_
useful to be able to send it commands...
Ah. Wasn't sure about that. I guess the uVAX2000 _does_ dedicate an
entire serial port to just the keyboard when in workstation mode.
Thanks for all the advice.
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On 31 Aug, Tony Duell wrote:
The
MicroVAX/VAXstation 2000 dedicates two serial ports to the keyboard
and the mouse. There is a special break out box that makes this ports
available for connecting terminals when the VAXstation 2000 is used as
MicroVAX 2000. It is pluged into the keyboard/mouse/monitor connector on
the back of the MicroVAX 2000.
AFAIK all non-QBus VAXstations have a four port DZ-11 lookalike UART.
One port for the keyboard, one for the mouse and two for printer,
modem, (console), plotter, ... But the VAXstation 2000 is the only
machine that officially supported terminals on the keyboard/mouse ports
when in MicroVAX mode. (Selectable with a jumper.)
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Ah.
Wasn't sure about that. I guess the uVAX2000 _does_ dedicate an
entire serial port to just the keyboard when in workstation mode.
I can't say
for the uVAX, but I am almost certain that the Rainbow does....
6 Aug
6 Aug
7:53 a.m.
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
1989 if my factoidal memory cells are functioning properly.
Also add to the list:
Teleram 3000 circa 1983 (Z80, bubble-memory)
Convergent Technologies WorkSlate circa 1983 (Hitachi 6303 (6800))
(Can't think of any others right now but I'm sure there are many)
And because they will fit on your lap, all the Sharp/Radio Shack
handhelds, and the Panasonic HHC.
P.S. The Kyocera version of the RS M100 was called simply the "Kyocera
85".
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Ob Classiccmp:
How many non-wintel laptops are on-topic? My SPARCbook2
fits the bill I believe, are there any others? Not even clones or
nearly-clones, but honest-to-goodness Alternative Architectures?
Tandy M100, M102, M200. Olivetti M10. And whatever the Kyocera version
was called. (OK, they contain an 8085 CPU, which was originally an Intel
design, but I don't think that's the normal meaning of 'Wintel')
Epson HX20, PX4, PX8, etc. The first contains a pair of 6301-type CPUs
IIRC (I don't feel like running upstairs to check the technical manual).
The latter 2 machines ran CP/M and presumably had a Z80-like CPU.
HP110 (Portable), Portable +. More arguable. They contain an 80C86
processor and run MS-DOS. But they are in no sense PC clones. No part of
the I/O structure is even close to that in a PC. The BIOS is not
compatible with the PC BIOS either as far as I am aware. I wouldn't call
them clones.
HP75. It's arguable if this is a laptop, or a notebook, or what. It's a
large pocket computer, running BASIC. 1 line LCD display. The processor
is an HP Capricorn, so it's certainly not Wintel. I think it's fair to
say that the HP71B is not a laptop (for all it's a very nice pocket
computer).
Was the first Mac Laptop released before 1992 (which would make it
on-topic here)? 
10:12 a.m.
And let's not forget the Atari Portfolio which came out, I believe, in 89.
Lawrence
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Ob Classiccmp:
How many non-wintel laptops are on-topic? My SPARCbook2
fits the bill I believe, are there any others? Not even clones or
nearly-clones, but honest-to-goodness Alternative Architectures?
Tandy M100, M102, M200. Olivetti M10. And whatever the Kyocera version
was called. (OK, they contain an 8085 CPU, which was originally an Intel
design, but I don't think that's the normal meaning of 'Wintel')
Epson HX20, PX4, PX8, etc. The first contains a pair of 6301-type CPUs
IIRC (I don't feel like running upstairs to check the technical manual).
The latter 2 machines ran CP/M and presumably had a Z80-like CPU.
HP110 (Portable), Portable +. More arguable. They contain an 80C86
processor and run MS-DOS. But they are in no sense PC clones. No part of
the I/O structure is even close to that in a PC. The BIOS is not
compatible with the PC BIOS either as far as I am aware. I wouldn't call
them clones.
HP75. It's arguable if this is a laptop, or a notebook, or what. It's a
large pocket computer, running BASIC. 1 line LCD display. The processor
is an HP Capricorn, so it's certainly not Wintel. I think it's fair to
say that the HP71B is not a laptop (for all it's a very nice pocket
computer).
Was the first Mac Laptop released before 1992 (which would make it
on-topic here)?
-tony
12:16 p.m.
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
And let's not forget the Atari Portfolio which
came out, I believe, in 89.
We were trying to avoid mentioning Wintel machines ;/
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12:32 p.m.
And let's
not forget the Atari Portfolio which came out, I believe, in 89.
We were trying to avoid mentioning Wintel machines ;/
3:26 p.m.
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Jeff Hellige wrote:
I don't think I'd call the Portfolio a Wintel machine, though
it does run a variant/clone of MS-DOS and uses an Intel CPU. It's
still pretty cool.
Me niether but the fact is it has an 8086 (or compatible) and runs DOS ;)
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And let's not forget the Atari Portfolio which
came out, I believe, in 89.
We were trying to avoid mentioning Wintel machines ;/ 
8:15 p.m.
> > And let's not forget the Atari
Portfolio which came out, I believe,
in 89.
We were trying to avoid mentioning Wintel machines ;/
I don't think I'd call the Portfolio a Wintel machine, though
it does run a variant/clone of MS-DOS and uses an Intel CPU. It's
still pretty cool. 
12:43 p.m.
New subject: Blowing Up Old Computers( early laptops)
I just had to nominate the Intersil Intercept Jr. to the early laptop
catagory, Runs on batteries, fits in a lap.
;) - Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
> And let's not forget the Atari Portfolio which came out, I believe, in
89.
We were trying to avoid mentioning Wintel machines ;/
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Mike wrote:
I just had to nominate the Intersil Intercept Jr. to
the early laptop
catagory, Runs on batteries, fits in a lap.
True dat.
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Mike wrote:
Then there is my Visual Technologies "Commuter". Not a laptop unless
your lap is made of iron and you carry 120VAC with you. Must weigh 30#!
and is about 18 x 16 x 3.5". Has a flip up 20 x 80 LCD screen.
- don
I just had to nominate the Intersil Intercept Jr.
to the early laptop
catagory, Runs on batteries, fits in a lap.
True dat. Sellam Ismail
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Don Maslin wrote:
Then there is my Visual Technologies
"Commuter". Not a laptop unless
your lap is made of iron and you carry 120VAC with you. Must weigh 30#!
and is about 18 x 16 x 3.5". Has a flip up 20 x 80 LCD screen.
As far as I know it's an Intel machine that runs DOS.
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Don Maslin wrote:
True!
- don
Then there is my Visual Technologies
"Commuter". Not a laptop unless
your lap is made of iron and you carry 120VAC with you. Must weigh 30#!
and is about 18 x 16 x 3.5". Has a flip up 20 x 80 LCD screen.
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New subject: Intercept Jr. (was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers( early laptops))
Speaking of such things, does anyone have an Intersil Intercept Jr.they'd
be willing to trade?
-- Tony
At 08:36 PM 8/6/2002 -0400, you wrote:
I just had to nominate the Intersil Intercept Jr. to
the early laptop
catagory, Runs on batteries, fits in a lap.
;) - Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote:
> And let's not forget the Atari Portfolio which came out, I believe, in
89.
We were trying to avoid mentioning Wintel machines ;/
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> 
2:14 a.m.
New subject: Intercept Jr. (was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers( early laptops))
Speaking of such things, does anyone have an Intersil
Intercept Jr.they'd
be willing to trade?
I do have one of these in working order complete with (well-thumbed!) manual
... however, I was thinking of putting it up on eB*y.
Andy (in the UK)
20 Oct
20 Oct
midnight
New subject: Intercept Jr. (was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers( early laptops))
Andy -
I was cleaning out my email yesterday and I came across a discussion we had
a couple of years ago regarding your Intersil Intercept Jr.
Do you still have this system? If so, would you consider selling/trading
it? I've been wanting to play with one of these for a while.
Thanks for your time!
-- Tony
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Subject: RE: Intercept Jr. (was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers( early
laptops))
Speaking of such things, does anyone have an Intersil
Intercept Jr.they'd
be willing to trade?
I do have one of these in working order complete with (well-thumbed!) manual
... however, I was thinking of putting it up on eB*y.
Andy (in the UK)
3 Sep
3 Sep
8:43 a.m.
New subject: Intersil Intercept Jr (was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers( early laptops))
--- Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
I just had to nominate the Intersil Intercept Jr. to the early laptop
catagory, Runs on batteries, fits in a lap.
;) - Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
Are there plans out there anywhere? I doubt I'll ever run across
a real one. They looked kinda cool back when I was a kid, but at
the time, I didn't understand what it meant to be PDP-8-instruction-
set compatible (i.e., the implications of it, not the literal sense
of "compatible").
It had, IIRC, some toggle switches, LEDs, and 4KW of SRAM, right?
-ethan
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New subject: Intersil Intercept Jr (was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers( early laptops))
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
--- Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
The intercept had those, the Intercept Jr only had a keypad and numeric LED
display. It only 256 or 1K (12 bit) words of RAM ISTR
I just had to nominate the Intersil Intercept Jr. to the early laptop
catagory, Runs on batteries, fits in a lap.
;) - Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
Are there plans out there anywhere? I doubt I'll ever run across
a real one. They looked kinda cool back when I was a kid, but at
the time, I didn't understand what it meant to be PDP-8-instruction-
set compatible (i.e., the implications of it, not the literal sense
of "compatible").
It had, IIRC, some toggle switches, LEDs, and 4KW of SRAM, right?
-ethan
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2:20 p.m.
New subject: Intersil Intercept Jr (was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers( early laptops))
I think it used unobtainium type RAM and ROM, being
all early Intersil CMOS, so it might be very difficult
to make an "authentic" one today even if you had a
6100. The 6100 was, given my limited knowledge, harder
to make truly PDP8/e compatible than the later 6120.
I've looked around for a ROM listing or front panel
code for the 6100/Intercept with no luck.
--- "Peter C. Wallace" <pcw(a)mesanet.com> wrote:
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
ever run across
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--- Mike <dogas(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I just had to nominate the Intersil Intercept
Jr. to the early laptop
catagory,
Runs on batteries, fits in a lap.
;) - Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net
Are there plans out there anywhere? I doubt I'll a real one. They looked kinda cool back when I
was a kid, but at
the time, I didn't understand what it meant
to be
PDP-8-instruction-
set compatible (i.e., the implications of it, not
the literal sense
of "compatible").
It had, IIRC, some toggle switches, LEDs, and 4KW
of SRAM, right?
-ethan
The intercept had those, the Intercept Jr only had a
keypad and numeric LED
display. It only 256 or 1K (12 bit) words of RAM
ISTR
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6 Aug
6 Aug
5:36 p.m.
> Ob Classiccmp: How many non-wintel laptops are
on-topic? My SPARCbook2
> fits the bill I believe, are there any others? Not even clones or
Tandy M100, M102, M200. Olivetti M10. And whatever the
Kyocera version
was called. (OK, they contain an 8085 CPU, which was originally an Intel
design, but I don't think that's the normal meaning of 'Wintel')
Don't forget the NEC 8201A and likemindeds :-)
And, of course, the Commodore SX-64 qualifies as on-topic, though perhaps
not as a laptop (unless you're morbidly obese).
HP75. It's arguable if this is a laptop, or a
notebook, or what. It's a
large pocket computer, running BASIC. 1 line LCD display. The processor
is an HP Capricorn, so it's certainly not Wintel. I think it's fair to
say that the HP71B is not a laptop (for all it's a very nice pocket
computer).
Fine then, I submit the Sharp/Casio "Tandy Pocket Computer" series, the
Quasar and Panasonic HHCs, and the Texas Instruments CC40 as well :-)
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12:47 a.m.
New subject: Non-Intel Laptops was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers
There's sure to be a 10 year old Mac laptop or two.
I think the Digital
AlphaBook is more than 10 years old too - this being the only "old"
laptop I'd pay real money for.
I have one... at least at work... I've been using it recently to
do some testing. Linux runs on it just fine...
Megan Gentry
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New subject: Non-Intel Laptops was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers
Megan wrote:
Having just acquired a DECstation 5000 (MIPS) as well as a DEC 3000
(Alpha), I'd love to know more about the AlphaBook. Can't find much
on the web apart from companies who are selling memory upgrades for
it.
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
>There's sure to be a 10 year old Mac laptop or
two.
I have a PowerBook Duo 280c, but no DuoDock for it.
I think the
Digital
AlphaBook is more than 10 years old too - this being the only "old"
laptop I'd pay real money for.
I have one... at least at work... I've been using it recently to
do some testing. Linux runs on it just fine...
5:43 a.m.
New subject: Non-Intel Laptops was Re: Blowing Up Old Computers
Having just acquired a DECstation 5000 (MIPS) as well
as a DEC 3000
(Alpha), I'd love to know more about the AlphaBook. Can't find much
on the web apart from companies who are selling memory upgrades for
it.
The Alphabook1 was an Alpha (LCA45, I think) built into a laptop
by Tadpole Technologies.
It *can* run at up to 233MHz, but has heat disipation problems. It
runs on internal batteries, but not for long. It has an external
battery pack, but that makes it REALLY heavy. It has a mini-dock which
allows external SCSI disks to attach. It also has a huge dock
which, mechanically, opens up to accept the laptop, then closes
on it... !!! I haven't tried that yet, it's scary... :-) Oh yeah,
it has PCMCIA slots, but does not have an internal CD or floppy disk.
The floppy is external and attaches via cable.
The one I have doesn't display too well, I'm not sure if it is due
to dead batteries (they no longer hold a charge) or something relating
to the backlight for what seems to be an EL screen.
It can run at varying speeds, under software control, in order to
reduce heat (from 11Mhz up to 233MHz), but Linux doesn't seem to
get it running beyond 117MHz.
Maybe related to the screen display/battery problems, the one I have
doesn't seem to want to spend much time above 29MHz...
but I'm trying to get a clean install of Tru64 on it so I can try
the commands which force it to run at a higher speed (I have a fan
blowing on it :-)
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4 Aug
9:56 p.m.
More candidates for the Darwin awards.
Lawrence
On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Mike Maginnis wrote:
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
I wonder how long it will be before some fool
donates a PDP or some
other piece of kit we hold near and dear to our hearts, to these
miscreants.
Sure, it's amusing when it's a 286 being pipe-bombed, but probably not
so much fun (for me, anyway) when they get their hands on an Amiga or a
Sol.
Ah, just think of all the shrapnel bring propelled in their direction
should they even consider going after any big-iron ;)
-Toth
2:57 p.m.
On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Mike Maginnis wrote:
I wonder how long it will be before some fool donates
a PDP or some
other piece of kit we hold near and dear to our hearts, to these miscreants.
Sure, it's amusing when it's a 286 being pipe-bombed, but probably not
so much fun (for me, anyway) when they get their hands on an Amiga or a Sol.
It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye...
http://www.letsblowitup.com/default.shtml
My employer had a VAX 6000-530 which someone proposed selling sledgehammer
whacks at in the parking lot. The money was to go to charity but the idea
still stank.
Fortunately the machine was decommissioned during a November, when parking
lots are not hospitable places in Wisconsin, and space was needed urgently
in our data center so I was able to give this machine away to a list
member before the idea went any farther.
3:12 p.m.
My employer had a VAX 6000-530 which someone
proposed selling sledgehammer whacks at...
I got my mVII supposedly from someone who thought it was
a windows machine and then dumped it when they learned
otherwise.
"It's not Windows"
Hopefully this bottom-line will apply too to
computer bashes/blow-up events.
"Let's blow up this Mainframe."
"But... It's not Windows."
"Oh, that's right, I guess there'd be no point in it."
John A.
Windows (tm).
Lending new meaning to computer destruction.
4:03 p.m.
John Allain wrote:
<snip>
I got probably more than half my kit that way.
"Where's the mouse?"
Mike
My employer had
a VAX 6000-530 which someone
proposed selling sledgehammer whacks at...
I got my mVII supposedly from someone who thought it was
a windows machine and then dumped it when they learned
otherwise.
7:27 p.m.
I wonder how long it will be before some fool donates
a PDP or some
other piece of kit we hold near and dear to our hearts, to these
miscreants.
Sure, it's amusing when it's a 286 being pipe-bombed, but probably not
so much fun (for me, anyway) when they get their hands on an Amiga or a
Sol.
It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye...
http://www.letsblowitup.com/default.shtml
These guys have WAY too much free time.
I hope they never get hold of a true classic (KIM-1, SYM-1, Amiga, Sol,
AIM65, VAX, UK101)... God only knows what they'd do to the poor thing.
Later.
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5 Aug
5 Aug
2:44 a.m.
Philip Pemberton said:
These guys have WAY too much free time.
I hope they never get hold of a true classic (KIM-1, SYM-1, Amiga, Sol,
AIM65, VAX, UK101)... God only knows what they'd do to the poor thing.
uh... blow it up? "uh-huh, huh, huh... blowing shit up is cool... huh..."
Later.
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(http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright)
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``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.''
Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan
4:30 a.m.
New subject: WTB: MicroVAX 3300 (or similar in a BA215 enclosure)
Does anyone know where I could find an working one of these? I'd be
willing to pay or trade for it. I've a complete NeXTstation (slab,
monitor, mouse, keyboard, and fresh NS 3.3 install) or I /may/ be able
to get some SGI gear, Indigo^2 variety, that I could part with.
Thanks.
-brian.
5:55 a.m.
New subject: MicroVAX 3300 (or similar in a BA215 enclosure)
I have one for you in Arnhem, The Netherlands, but shipping would be a bit
expensive. Would it not. be handy if you specified your location when you
make such a request?
Wim
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Chase <vaxzilla(a)jarai.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: WTB: MicroVAX 3300 (or similar in a BA215 enclosure)
Does anyone know where I could find an working one of
these? I'd be
willing to pay or trade for it. I've a complete NeXTstation (slab,
monitor, mouse, keyboard, and fresh NS 3.3 install) or I /may/ be able
to get some SGI gear, Indigo^2 variety, that I could part with.
Thanks.
-brian.
6:05 a.m.
New subject: MicroVAX 3300 (or similar in a BA215 enclosure)
On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, W.B.(Wim) Hofman wrote:
I have one for you in Arnhem, The Netherlands, but
shipping would be a
bit expensive. Would it not. be handy if you specified your location
when you make such a request?
Yes, you're right. I'm in Los Angeles; so, preferably I'd want to deal
with someone in the U.S. or Canada.
-brian.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Chase <vaxzilla(a)jarai.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: WTB: MicroVAX 3300 (or similar in a BA215 enclosure)
> Does anyone know where I could find an working one of these? I'd be
> willing to pay or trade for it. I've a complete NeXTstation (slab,
> monitor, mouse, keyboard, and fresh NS 3.3 install) or I /may/ be able
> to get some SGI gear, Indigo^2 variety, that I could part with.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -brian.
6 Aug
6 Aug
4:41 a.m.
New subject: WTB: MicroVAX 3300 (or similar in a BA215 enclosure)
Brian Chase wrote:
Does anyone know where I could find an working one of
these? I'd be
willing to pay or trade for it. I've a complete NeXTstation (slab,
monitor, mouse, keyboard, and fresh NS 3.3 install) or I /may/ be able
to get some SGI gear, Indigo^2 variety, that I could part with.
Thanks.
-brian.
Brian,
I have a 3400 in a BA213 case, that I wouldn't mind trading/selling. Is
the BA213 too big for you? It's the same size as the BA440, just in
case I'm getting my numbers mixed up.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
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