23 Oct
2018
23 Oct
'18
9:37 a.m.
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
How many graphical Unix desktops are sold or
distributed in the world
today that are not Linux? Excluding Mac OS X as I specifically address
that point, I think.
I am replying to this email on a FreeBSD 10.3 box and Motif. I don't
know what FreeBSD runs out of the box because I immediately delete it
and install Motif.
FreeBSD may not have the installed base of Linux but it has a its fans.
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Athabasca, Alberta Canada : our heads are naked!"
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23 Oct
23 Oct
3:29 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:16 PM Richard Loken via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I am replying to this email on a FreeBSD 10.3 box and Motif. I don't
know what FreeBSD runs out of the box because I immediately delete it
and install Motif.
FreeBSD doesn't run *any* graphical user interface out of the box.
What you end up with after install of the FreeBSD OS is a console with
a login prompt.
As any _real_ operating system should be, IMNSHO.
After you have logged in, you can (of course) install Xorg and your
selection of desktop environments (or a wm + extras if you prefer
that) via the package system (or ports, if you prefer to wait for
compiling from source).
FreeBSD may not have the installed base of Linux but
it has a its fans.
Yes, this workstation runs FreeBSD 10.4 and Xfce.
--
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
4:04 p.m.
On 10/23/18 3:29 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk wrote:
I prefer OpenBSD myself for mission-critical stuff--the nearly paranoid
attitude to new software is unusual to say the least. Even old
packages that have had demonstrated security issues are omitted. You
want to use telnet? Good, find a version somewhere and convert and
compile it yourself--we're not even going to give you a telnet client,
much less a host.
Was VirtualBox or QEMU ever offered as a standard package on OpenBSD? I
don't think so...
--Chuck
FreeBSD may
not have the installed base of Linux but it has a its fans.
Yes, this workstation runs FreeBSD 10.4 and Xfce. 
29 Oct
29 Oct
9:43 a.m.
Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 10/23/18 3:29 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk
wrote:
I prefer OpenBSD myself for mission-critical stuff--the nearly paranoid
attitude to new software is unusual to say the least. Even old
packages that have had demonstrated security issues are omitted. You
want to use telnet? Good, find a version somewhere and convert and
compile it yourself--we're not even going to give you a telnet client,
much less a host.
Was VirtualBox or QEMU ever offered as a standard package on OpenBSD? I
don't think so...
--Chuck
For mission critical stuff this may be ok, but what's the
advantage for the desktop if you can't even run Virtualbox or Qemu,
simh, cpmsim, dosbox and other related stuff?
The same problem on Dragonfly, Nice File system (Hammer,Hammer2)
but....
Regards,
Holm
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FreeBSD
may not have the installed base of Linux but it has a its fans.
Yes, this workstation runs FreeBSD 10.4 and Xfce. 
5:59 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 05:43:37PM +0100, Holm Tiffe via cctalk wrote:
[...]
For mission critical stuff this may be ok, but
what's the
advantage for the desktop if you can't even run Virtualbox or Qemu,
simh, cpmsim, dosbox and other related stuff?
The same problem on Dragonfly, Nice File system (Hammer,Hammer2)
but....
Out of curiosity I have browsed a what is supposedly a mirror of
ports, say, this one:
https://ftp.fr.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/6.4/packages/amd64/
and there are packages for dosbox, qemu and simhm albeit I cannot say
if versions are acceptable. The rest could perhaps be compiled from
source?
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
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6:14 p.m.
On 10/29/18 8:59 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 05:43:37PM +0100, Holm Tiffe
via cctalk wrote:
[...]
I use SIMH a lot.? I never rely on the prebuilt stuff on
any of the BSD's or Linux.? They always tend to be
several releases back.
bill
For mission critical stuff this may be ok, but
what's the
advantage for the desktop if you can't even run Virtualbox or Qemu,
simh, cpmsim, dosbox and other related stuff?
The same problem on Dragonfly, Nice File system (Hammer,Hammer2)
but....
Out of curiosity I have browsed a what is supposedly a mirror of
ports, say, this one:
https://ftp.fr.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/6.4/packages/amd64/
and there are packages for dosbox, qemu and simhm albeit I cannot say
if versions are acceptable. The rest could perhaps be compiled from
source?
7:01 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 01:14:32AM +0000, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Yes, this is how I abuse Lisp environments. But I do not shy away from
having prebuilts as done by package maintainers - they know their shit
and I can have something which should work. I then use a mix of sh
snippets to start shell with proper combination of paths to use one
built by me or just normal shell to have the default, just in case I
screw up.
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
On 10/29/18 8:59 PM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
[...]
and there are
packages for dosbox, qemu and simhm albeit I cannot say
if versions are acceptable. The rest could perhaps be compiled from
source?
I use SIMH a lot.? I never rely on the prebuilt stuff on any of the
BSD's or Linux.? They always tend to be several releases back.
9:39 a.m.
Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:16 PM Richard Loken via
cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
FreeBSD 11.2-stable and Mate Desktop here.
Regards,
Holm
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I am replying to this email on a FreeBSD 10.3 box and Motif. I don't
know what FreeBSD runs out of the box because I immediately delete it
and install Motif.
FreeBSD doesn't run *any* graphical user interface out of the box.
What you end up with after install of the FreeBSD OS is a console with
a login prompt.
As any _real_ operating system should be, IMNSHO.
After you have logged in, you can (of course) install Xorg and your
selection of desktop environments (or a wm + extras if you prefer
that) via the package system (or ports, if you prefer to wait for
compiling from source).
FreeBSD may not have the installed base of Linux
but it has a its fans.
Yes, this workstation runs FreeBSD 10.4 and Xfce.
--
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
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