I think it's really unfortunate that Mr. Erlacher finds it necessary hijack the list with this ridiculous rhetoric. It's just totally beyond me why someone would want to speak in this fashion. I find the lack of importance Mr. Erlacher assigns to basic concepts such as liberty, individuality, and respect for human life appalling. We've all probably lived long enough to know that governments oftentimes get confused and start to drift from what they're supposed to be doing (keeping basic order) to legislating trivial and personal areas of human life. I'd prefer not to have every element of my life dictated by corrupt old men and off-the-wall special interest groups, so on occasion, I find it necessary to work around some of the more ridiculous instances of government spew. There are definitely things that are wrong because they hurt others and set back progress made by society, and punishments should be in place to dissuade people slaughter everyone who's ever done five over on the highway or smoked a joint, I'd be inclined to wonder what terrible abuse you must have lived through to think in this manner. Really, though, this is the "classic computer collector mailing list", not the "ultratotalitarian politics list", so as a few other people are starting to say as well, could we please just lay this one to rest? It's accomplishing nothing, save for making a lot of people very offended and angry. Thanks, --Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net