The Roamabouts initially came out way before 802.11b and so they did their own thing. Once 802.11b became the way to go the firmware changed to follow the rest of the world. (I don't recall whether the previous scheme was in any way better or worse than 802.11b, but it was incompatible). The latest 802.11b firmware *was* available at the dnpg site until quite recently but the last time I looked the page(s) for their "legacy" stuff were not responding. The *older* firmware is no longer easily available. I know people have looked for it before now, so if you do find it, it's worth hanging on to. I have no idea if it's possible to extract the firmware from the device (probably not). Your problem could, of course, be something else entirely. If you have some 802.11b gear around, you could see if either set will talk to (or even just see) that. Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org