23 Oct
2000
23 Oct
'00
9:50 a.m.
I've begun to see numbers of old Mac's in the various thrift stores. Which models
are particularly interesting? I've never had much of a taste for the things, but at
$6-$10 each it might be worth snagging the things just for the disk drives, or some such.
Today I ran into a classic, a ii-lc or some such and iii-si or something like that. These
latter are both those recent-looking low-profile thingies. Do they have anything of
interest in them?
Dick
23 Oct
23 Oct
10:30 a.m.
Hi Dick,
I'll mention again that http://www.lowendmac.com has a wealth of
information on these old models. Even their rating system seems quite sane
and unbiased. A little reading and you will be able to separate the good
from the drek.
Today I ran into a classic, a ii-lc or some such and
iii-si or something
like that. These latter are both those recent-looking low-profile
thingies. Do they have anything of interest in them?
Here is my off-the-cuff list of Old Macs To Look Out For:
Macintosh 128k (M0001)
Classic II
Color Classic, Color Classic II
SE/30
LC-III
IIci, IIcx, IIfx
Any Quadra, with the possible exception of the Quadra 605 (aka LC475) with
it's lack of FPU
The IIsi - with it's optional NuBus adapter w/ integrated 68882FPU this
machine will run Linux or NetBSD.
Any PowerBook
20th Anniversary Mac (right...)
I can't think of any more right now.
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11:01 a.m.
Some of these aren't truly "classic" yet (<10 years),
but it's looking like the Color Classic is really a
CLASSIC. If you want to really get carried away with
older Macs, see about the Color Classic at
http://home.hkstar.com/~patrickn/colorclassic/
Dave
Richard Erlacher wrote:
I've begun to see numbers of old Mac's in the various thrift stores. Which
models are
particularly interesting? I've never had much of a taste for the things, but at
$6-$10
each it might be worth snagging the things just for the disk drives, or some such.
Today I ran into a classic, a ii-lc or some such and iii-si or something like that.
These latter are both those recent-looking low-profile thingies. Do they have anything
of interest in them?
Dick
11:03 a.m.
Richard Erlacher wrote:
I've begun to see numbers of old Mac's in the various thrift stores.
Which models are particularly interesting? I've never had much of a
taste for the things, but at $6-$10 each it might be worth snagging
the things just for the disk drives, or some such.
I have about 20 compact MACs in my collection. These are the ones with
the small BW screen. They include several models, Plus, Classic, Classic
II...Most interesting are the original 128K model M00001 if I remember
well...and the Color Classic....try to find an original MAC carry bag,
they are nice...The 128K and color sell for quite a bit on e-bay but I
would never pay that much for them...You will find Classics with 40 and
80 scsi drives most of the time...also check for screen burn and week
picture tubes...90% of the classic macs have bad screen burn where the
desktop in burned into the tube...Try to find some that are not too
yellowed...You might have problems finding older type keyboards and mice
for the 512k,128k,Plus models....
Today I ran into a classic, a ii-lc or some such and iii-si or
something like that. These latter are both those recent-looking
low-profile thingies. Do they have anything of interest in them?
The IICI, IISI and other MAC II's are newer machines, no real collecting
value IMO. I do have most of the II series but I would not pay more then
$20-$25 for a well equipped one. To recent to collect and to old the do
anything contructive on...I tried www/explorer on a IICI with 32M/cache
card and it's a painfull experience...
Claude
Dick
2:26 p.m.
The IICI, IISI and other MAC II's are newer
machines, no real collecting
value IMO. I do have most of the II series but I would not pay more then
$20-$25 for a well equipped one. To recent to collect and to old the do
anything contructive on...I tried www/explorer on a IICI with 32M/cache
card and it's a painfull experience...
Oh, I don't know. Until I got my 7300 I did most of my PPP on a IIsi with
5MB. A little cleverness with NCSA Telnet and Lynx, and I had a "graphical"
web browser (I wrote a program to turn portable anymaps into Tek display
commands, which NCSA Telnet then drew for me). It's just learning to make
do. The IIsi is a nice little machine, I think.
But of the 68Ks, I think the SE/30 is the most useful (to me). I use mine
as a boot server for the IIgses and as the LocalTalk server, after I stuck
a gig drive in it.
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24 Oct
24 Oct
6:36 a.m.
New subject: Mac TCP/IP networking (was Re: old MAC's)
But of the 68Ks, I think the SE/30 is the most useful
(to me). I use mine
as a boot server for the IIgses and as the LocalTalk server, after I stuck
a gig drive in it.
Is it possible to remote boot a IIgs? I wasn't aware of that. Can you point
me to info about how it's done? I doubt I'd do it, just curious. My IIgs
has a larger HD than any of my Macs, but I've been thinging of putting
a big drive in the IIfx I just obtained to use it as a LocalTalk server.
I'm also looking for info about how to gateway between TCP/IP over AppleTalk
and TCP/IP over ethernet. I've got a stand alone AppleTalk<>Ethernet box,
but it appears only to transport the LocalTalk protocol without transforming
IP into the proper format. A couple of other options I've been looking at
are putting a AppleTalk card into a Linux box or using a Dayna SCSI Ethernet
interface on one of the Macs.
Any ideas on how to proceed are appreciated.
Eric
8:40 a.m.
New subject: Mac TCP/IP networking (was Re: old MAC's)
But of the
68Ks, I think the SE/30 is the most useful (to me). I use mine
as a boot server for the IIgses and as the LocalTalk server, after I stuck
a gig drive in it.
Is it possible to remote boot a IIgs? I wasn't aware of that. Can you point
me to info about how it's done? I doubt I'd do it, just curious. My IIgs
has a larger HD than any of my Macs, but I've been thinging of putting
a big drive in the IIfx I just obtained to use it as a LocalTalk server. 
11:27 a.m.
New subject: Mac TCP/IP networking
But of the
68Ks, I think the SE/30 is the most useful (to me). I use mine
as a boot server for the IIgses and as the LocalTalk server, after I stuck
a gig drive in it.
Is it possible to remote boot a IIgs? I wasn't aware of that. Can you point
me to info about how it's done? I doubt I'd do it, just curious. My IIgs
has a larger HD than any of my Macs, but I've been thinging of putting
a big drive in the IIfx I just obtained to use it as a LocalTalk server.
I'm also looking for info about how to gateway between TCP/IP over AppleTalk
and TCP/IP over ethernet. I've got a stand alone AppleTalk<>Ethernet box,
but it appears only to transport the LocalTalk protocol without transforming
IP into the proper format. A couple of other options I've been looking at
are putting a AppleTalk card into a Linux box or using a Dayna SCSI Ethernet
interface on one of the Macs.
Any ideas on how to proceed are appreciated.
Eric 
11:22 a.m.
New subject: Mac TCP/IP networking
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ford" <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Mac TCP/IP networking
setup
>> But of the 68Ks, I think the SE/30 is the
most useful (to me). I use
mine
>> as a boot server for the IIgses and as the
LocalTalk server, after I
stuck
>> a gig drive in it.
>
>Is it possible to remote boot a IIgs? I wasn't aware of that. Can you
point
>me to info about how it's done? I doubt
I'd do it, just curious. My IIgs
>has a larger HD than any of my Macs, but I've been thinging of putting
>a big drive in the IIfx I just obtained to use it as a LocalTalk server.
>
>I'm also looking for info about how to gateway between TCP/IP over
AppleTalk
>and TCP/IP over ethernet. I've got a stand
alone AppleTalk<>Ethernet
box,
>but it appears only to transport the LocalTalk
protocol without
transforming
>IP into the proper format. A couple of other
options I've been looking
at
>are putting a AppleTalk card into a Linux box or
using a Dayna SCSI
Ethernet
interface on
one of the Macs.
Any ideas on how to proceed are appreciated.
Eric
If you want TCP/IP and want to support IIgs as well as mac, the only
solution I know of is the FastPath 4 made first by Kinetics, then Shiva.
The downside is that these boxes are not trivial to figure out how to (then again they to a LOT of tricks). I have a dozen
or so of them, with
one waiting to ship just as soon as I figure out the setup just a little
better. (I found a manual last week, which should help). The upside is
that
nobody knows about them and they sell pretty cheap
(around $25 to $50
used), and they do stuff you wouldn't even guess at like Ip tunneling. The
Fastpath 5 is newer etc., but the 4 seems from what I have read to be more
friendly to Apple II clients.
There was also a slick little series of devices made by Cayman called the
GatorBox. They would bridge pretty much any protocol (TCP/IP, Appletalk,
and even DECnet) over LocalTalk to Ethernet and back.
I don't know how easy they are to track down; I've got a GatorBox CS
Rack-mount that I was looking forward to playing with, unfortunately it
appears as if the previously owning institution (a local university) set a
password on it that I am not able to remove (apparently Cayman is no
longer assisting people with lockouts as they are in the DSL business
now, and seem rather uninterested in supporting their old product
line).
In any case, nice little devices; I just wish mine worked :)
--Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net
12:56 p.m.
New subject: Mac TCP/IP networking
There was also a slick little series of devices made by
Cayman called the
GatorBox. They would bridge pretty much any protocol (TCP/IP, Appletalk,
and even DECnet) over LocalTalk to Ethernet and back.
I don't know how easy they are to track down; I've got a GatorBox CS
Rack-mount that I was looking forward to playing with, unfortunately it
appears as if the previously owning institution (a local university) set a
password on it that I am not able to remove (apparently Cayman is no
longer assisting people with lockouts as they are in the DSL business
now, and seem rather uninterested in supporting their old product
line).
The Cayman makes the FastPath look plug and play, mostly as you notice the
support really stinks. OTOH I also have a couple Cayman boxes, and I
remember downloading all the files off the cayman ftp at some point. If you
can accept a big email attachment, email me directly and I will send it off
to you.
BTW the key item though is MacTCP encapsulation, which I don't know that
the Cayman does, and the FastPath I am sure of.
1 p.m.
New subject: Mac TCP/IP networking
There are at least two products that will perform TCP/IP "encapsulation"
into Appletalk using a Mac:
1. A current product called IPNetRouter. See:
http://www.sustworks.com/site/ipr_guide/localtalk.html
It will run on all current Macs.
2. An old Apple product called "Apple IP Gateway". See:
http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n16705
This product will not run on PCI Macs or on Macs running "Open Transport".
The documentation for these products also discusses how to set up the client
software using MacTCP or Open Transport.
25 Oct
25 Oct
11:45 a.m.
New subject: Mac TCP/IP networking
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ford" <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Mac TCP/IP networking
you
>There was also a slick little series of devices
made by Cayman called the
>GatorBox. They would bridge pretty much any protocol (TCP/IP, Appletalk,
>and even DECnet) over LocalTalk to Ethernet and back.
>
>I don't know how easy they are to track down; I've got a GatorBox CS
>Rack-mount that I was looking forward to playing with, unfortunately it
>appears as if the previously owning institution (a local university) set
a
password on it
that I am not able to remove (apparently Cayman is no
longer assisting people with lockouts as they are in the DSL business
now, and seem rather uninterested in supporting their old product
line).
The Cayman makes the FastPath look plug and play, mostly as you notice the
support really stinks. OTOH I also have a couple Cayman boxes, and I
remember downloading all the files off the cayman ftp at some point. If can accept a big email attachment, email me directly
and I will send it
off
to you.
BTW the key item though is MacTCP encapsulation, which I don't know that
the Cayman does, and the FastPath I am sure of.
Thanks for the offer!
I've actually got the software, already, though. It turns out that Cayman
has it
available on their FTP site for free now, along with the software-unlock
passwords (which are on their web site).
The problem with my particular GatorBox is that the former users of it had
set a password on it which makes it so that I cannot reconfigure the
GatorBox using the GatorConfig (if I remember correctly) utility. It asks
for the password before saving the configuration, which I do not have.
Apparently, Cayman used to have some sort of back-door for getting
back into locked GatorBoxes, but it says on their web site specifically
that they are no longer offering lock-out support for them, which is
kind of a shame, since they are extremely useful boxes.
After noticing that Cayman wasn't too interested in supporting them, I
tried changing the state of almost every jumper on the board of the
GatorBox (the "what do I have to loose" approach), but I still struck
out :)
So, unless anyone out there knows how to subvert the configuration
password on the GatorBox, I think it's going to be of rather dubious
use to me.
--Sean Caron (root(a)diablonet.net) | http://www.diablonet.net
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