4 Jun
2004
4 Jun
'04
7:22 p.m.
Whilst thrifting for Atari joysticks today, I came across a barely
interesting looking desk calculator and a hunch compelled me to take a
chance on it. It is the Unicom 141P made by Unicom Systems, Inc. The
label indicates, "Made in Japan".
"Hmmm...Unicom...Unicom...Japan..." It sounded familiar. Of course I was
thinking "Busicom", which is the name of the Japanese company that
ordered the development of what became the 4004 for a new calculator they
were designing. But I couldn't quite remember the name. At $5, I figured
it was worth taking a chance. It was, as I mentioned, a barely
interesting desktop calculator, so worst case it would serve as a good
example of a 1970s desktop calculator (I was pretty certain it was circa
1970s).
So I just opened it up and <surprise> it's got an Intel 4004 inside!
Unfortunately, I'm not able to test it out because it requires a funky
squarish three prong power cord. I'll have to look around and see if I
can find one.
There's only one (out of two) relevant Google results, that being this
guy's website:
http://www.devidts.com/be-calc/index.html
With this calculator listed on his "Alphabetic catalog of Electronic
Calculators" list.
http://www.devidts.com/be-calc/catalog_U.asc.htm
Might anyone (Rick Bensene?) have any info about this calculator? Rick's
site lists the Busicom 141 in his wanted section:
http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/wanted.html#WANTED-BUSICOM
Is this in fact a re-badged Busicom? Or just coincidence? Rick's
description indicates that the Busicom 141 is based on discrete
diode/transistor logic with a Nixie tube display, whereas this one has a
printing mechanism only.
In searching for info, I came across another interesting website here:
http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber/cmhistory.htm
...with this interesting article:
http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber/e_walther.htm
Oddly enough (perhaps), this represents the only 4004-based computing
device in my archive.
I'm relatively stoked ;)
(And I haven't been thus about a new find in a long time...)
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4 Jun
4 Jun
8:06 p.m.
New subject: Interesting video
While the new OQO handheld computer will not be on-topic for another 10
years the
promotional video they are showing on their web site :
http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/
has a very interesting introduction sequence which shows many of our
favorite machines.
-- Hans P
5 Jun
5 Jun
1:38 a.m.
New subject: Interesting video
http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/
has a very interesting introduction sequence
which shows many of our favorite machines.
Seconded. Boy they sure know how to play to This audience..
John A.
2:47 a.m.
New subject: Interesting video
Great video thanks for sharing. :-)
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To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 3:06 AM
Subject: Interesting video
While the new OQO handheld computer will not be
on-topic for another 10
years the
promotional video they are showing on their web site :
http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/
has a very interesting introduction sequence which shows many of our
favorite machines.
-- Hans P
3:12 a.m.
New subject: Interesting video
Careful frame by frame viewing shows a computer I had once, and wish I
had again..
The Televideo (mumble model cuz I forgot) CGA+10mb IBM AT
Or the next one, Televideo portable... :^)
On Jun 5, 2004, at 1:06 AM, Hans B PUFAL wrote:
While the new OQO handheld computer will not be
on-topic for another
10 years the
promotional video they are showing on their web site :
http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/
has a very interesting introduction sequence which shows many of our
favorite machines.
-- Hans P
11:05 a.m.
New subject: "Fond memories", was "Re: Interesting video"
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Careful frame by frame viewing shows a computer I had
once, and wish I
had again..
The Televideo (mumble model cuz I forgot) CGA+10mb IBM AT
Or the next one, Televideo portable... :^)
Sounds like the TS-803H and the TPC-1.
- don
7 Jun
7 Jun
3:12 p.m.
New subject: "Fond memories", was "Re: Interesting video"
On Jun 5, 2004, at 4:05 PM, Don Maslin wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
I think the TS-803H was a CPM machine... Televideo made those and they
looked
the same but never a cga like screen
Monitor that tilts attached to a vertical motherboard with two floppies
stacked
sideways (short edges - stacked tall)
TPC was the portable - I don't think they ever
made a cpm portable.
Careful frame by frame viewing shows a computer I
had once, and wish I
had again..
The Televideo (mumble model cuz I forgot) CGA+10mb IBM AT
Or the next one, Televideo portable... :^)
Sounds like the TS-803H and the TPC-1.
- don
8 Jun
8 Jun
6:17 a.m.
New subject: "Fond memories", was "Re: Interesting video"
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
On Jun 5, 2004, at 4:05 PM, Don Maslin wrote:
Yes, the TS-803H was a CP/M machine and its monitor was not CGA.
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
I think the TS-803H was a CPM machine... Televideo made those and they
looked
the same but never a cga like screen
Monitor that tilts attached to a vertical motherboard with two floppies
stacked sideways (short edges - stacked tall) Careful frame by frame viewing shows a computer I
had once, and wish I
had again..
The Televideo (mumble model cuz I forgot) CGA+10mb IBM AT
Or the next one, Televideo portable... :^)
Sounds like the TS-803H and the TPC-1.
- don
TPC was the portable - I don't think they ever
made a cpm portable.
Au contraire! The TPC-1 was a CP/M machine. I have one.
- don
9:25 a.m.
New subject: "Fond memories", was "Re: Interesting video"
On Jun 8, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Don Maslin wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Is the TPC-1 a monitor next to a slab next to a floppy hd or floppy
pair?
+--------------------------------+ +----+-----+
| +----------------------------+ | | | F |
| | monitor | | |cpu | L |
| | | | | | P |
| | | | | | Y |
| | | | | | |
| | | | | |-----|
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | H |
| | | | | | D |
| | | | | | |
| +----------------------------+ | | | |
+--------------------------------+ | | |
+----------------------------------+ | |
\----------------------------------+----+-----/
I though it was more the osbourn
On Jun 5, 2004, at 4:05 PM, Don Maslin wrote:
Yes, the TS-803H was a CP/M machine and its monitor was not CGA.
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
I think the TS-803H was a CPM machine... Televideo made those and they
looked
the same but never a cga like screen
Monitor that tilts attached to a vertical motherboard with two
floppies
stacked sideways (short edges - stacked tall) Careful frame by frame viewing shows a computer I
had once, and
wish I
had again..
The Televideo (mumble model cuz I forgot) CGA+10mb IBM AT
Or the next one, Televideo portable... :^)
Sounds like the TS-803H and the TPC-1.
- don
TPC was the portable - I don't think they
ever
made a cpm portable.
Au contraire! The TPC-1 was a CP/M machine. I have one.
- don
9:31 a.m.
New subject: "Fond memories", was "Re: Interesting video"
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 16:25, Ron Hudson wrote:
On Jun 8, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Don Maslin wrote:
No, that's the 803 they talked about above.
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Is the TPC-1 a monitor next to a slab next to a floppy hd or floppy
pair? On Jun 5, 2004, at 4:05 PM, Don Maslin wrote:
Yes, the TS-803H was a CP/M machine and its monitor was not CGA.
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
> Careful frame by frame viewing shows a computer I had once, and
> wish I
> had again..
>
> The Televideo (mumble model cuz I forgot) CGA+10mb IBM AT
> Or the next one, Televideo portable... :^)
Sounds like the TS-803H and the TPC-1.
- don
I think the TS-803H was a CPM machine... Televideo made those and
they looked
the same but never a cga like screen
Monitor that tilts attached to a vertical motherboard with two
floppies
stacked sideways (short edges - stacked tall) TPC was the portable - I don't think they
ever
made a cpm portable.
Au contraire! The TPC-1 was a CP/M machine. I have one. I though it was more the osbourn
Yep, looked sorta like an O-1.
There was also a TPC-II that was an 8088 (pc compatible) version of the
TPC-I, which is what I had when I was a kid.
First hit in google:
http://www.total.net/~hrothgar/museum/TPC1/
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a TPC-I or TPC-II again.
Pat
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10:10 a.m.
New subject: "Fond memories", was "Re: Interesting video"
I would really like to get ahold of the machine I used to have
It looked like my previous ascii art (a monitor on the left that
tilts, a tower on the right with two "drives" and a big motherboard.
It's an IBM clone 8088 (nec V80?) with a CGA screen 80x24 color
(If I remember correctly it was pretty bright)
Anyone got one of these?
What was it called (duh and I used to **work** for televideo too )
12:09 p.m.
New subject: "Fond memories", was "Re: Interesting video"
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Ron Hudson wrote:
Is the TPC-1 a monitor next to a slab next to a floppy hd or floppy
pair?
It looks more like my revision below. (np is nameplate)
+---------------------------------------------+
| +----------------------+ |
| +---+ | monitor | +-----+-----+|
| | np| | | | | ||
| +---+ | | | F | F ||
| | | | L | L ||
| | | | P | P ||
| | | | Y | Y ||
| | | | | ||
| | | | | ||
| | | | | ||
| | | +-----+-----+|
| +----------------------+ |
+---------------------------------------------+
I think the TS-803H was a CPM machine... Televideo
made those and they
looked
the same but never a cga like screen
Monitor that tilts attached to a vertical motherboard with two
floppies
stacked sideways (short edges - stacked tall)
Yes, the TS-803H was a CP/M machine and its monitor was not CGA.
TPC was the portable - I don't think they
ever
made a cpm portable.
Au contraire! The TPC-1 was a CP/M machine. I have one. I though it was more the osbourn
Well, in that the keyboard is housed in the front cover, there is
a similarity.
- don
5 Jun
5 Jun
6:02 a.m.
New subject: Interesting video
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Hans B PUFAL wrote:
While the new OQO handheld computer will not be
on-topic for another 10
years the
promotional video they are showing on their web site :
http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/
has a very interesting introduction sequence which shows many of our
favorite machines.
I also rather liked the blurb they had stuck in their HTML code: "for
those who view the source, we salute you." Sounds like people with their
hearts in the right place. :)
(O'course, the embedded comment about IE's lack of usefulness was a nice
indicator as well. <g>)
-O.-
6:01 a.m.
Hi, Sellam (and all),
Unicom was a company that was started up as a spinoff of IC maker American
Microsystems (AMI).
There's little out there about the history of the company in its early days,
but it's possible that Unicom
initially started out simply OEMing machines from Busicom, until they had
developed their own chips.
Busicom for a time had an exclusive on the 4004 as the result of their joint
effort with Intel to develop a
reconfigurable general purpose calculator chipset, which ended up morphing
into a microprocessor.
I do know that Busicom did OEM their machines to a number of different
marketers of early electronic
calculators, and perhaps Unicom was one of them. Busicom's machine with
the 4004 was the 141PF
(they weren't shy about recycling model numbers, as the 141 was a lower-cost
version of Busicom's first machine,
the 162, which was indeed a discrete transistor machine). The 141PF was a
printing only machine.
Looking at patent information, the architecture of the design was such that
it could be adapted (part of
the whole idea that spurred the development of the 4004 in the first place)
to use a display rather than a printer.
So, my guess (and it's just that at this point) is that the machine you have
is an adaptation of the original 141PF
design, done either by Busicom either on their own, or under contract to
Unicom, which was sold under the Unicom
brand name in North America. Later, AMI sold off the Unicom division to
Rockwell, and for a while, Rockwell
sold handheld calculators under this brand, then abandoned the Unicom brand
and sold their machines (using their own chips)
under the Rockwell brand, as well as through other OEMs.
In any case, this is an AWESOME find! I want pix!
I don't blame you for being stoked about this one. Hope that you can get
it running!
Regards,
Rick Bensene
The Old Calculator Web Museum
http://oldcalculatormuseum.com
6:40 a.m.
At 11:01 AM 6/5/04 -0700, Rick Bensene wrote:
Hi, Sellam (and all),
Unicom was a company that was started up as a spinoff of IC maker American
Microsystems (AMI).
There's little out there about the history of the company in its early days,
but it's possible that Unicom
initially started out simply OEMing machines from Busicom, until they had
developed their own chips.
Busicom for a time had an exclusive on the 4004 as the result of their joint
effort with Intel to develop a
Yes, "for a time" is correct. But after Intel had designed the 4004 but
before they started delivery of them to Busicom, Busicom wanted to
re-negotiate the price for the 4004. One of the more insightful engineers
at Intel said OK but insisted that they (Intel) in turn get Busicom to drop
their exclusive rights to the 4004. The two companies meet and agreed to
both items and everybody went away happy. That was a very smart move on
Intel's part and the rest, as they say, is history.
Joe
reconfigurable general purpose calculator chipset,
which ended up morphing
into a microprocessor.
I do know that Busicom did OEM their machines to a number of different
marketers of early electronic
calculators, and perhaps Unicom was one of them. Busicom's machine with
the 4004 was the 141PF
(they weren't shy about recycling model numbers, as the 141 was a lower-cost
version of Busicom's first machine,
the 162, which was indeed a discrete transistor machine). The 141PF was a
printing only machine.
Looking at patent information, the architecture of the design was such that
it could be adapted (part of
the whole idea that spurred the development of the 4004 in the first place)
to use a display rather than a printer.
So, my guess (and it's just that at this point) is that the machine you have
is an adaptation of the original 141PF
design, done either by Busicom either on their own, or under contract to
Unicom, which was sold under the Unicom
brand name in North America. Later, AMI sold off the Unicom division to
Rockwell, and for a while, Rockwell
sold handheld calculators under this brand, then abandoned the Unicom brand
and sold their machines (using their own chips)
under the Rockwell brand, as well as through other OEMs.
In any case, this is an AWESOME find! I want pix!
I don't blame you for being stoked about this one. Hope that you can get
it running!
Regards,
Rick Bensene
The Old Calculator Web Museum
http://oldcalculatormuseum.com
10:22 a.m.
So I just opened it up and <surprise> it's
got an Intel 4004 inside!
Does it contain the other related chips (4001 ROM, 4002 RAM)?
Unfortunately, I'm not able to test it out because it requires a funky
squarish three prong power cord. I'll have to look around and see if I
can find one.
This machines is the sort of thing you don't just power up!. It's
sufficiently rare, and the chips are also rare (4004s are difficult to
find, the ROMs with the right code in them are presumably impossible to
get) that you _must_ find a way to test that power supply on a dummy
load. Get the 4004 etc data shsets to work out vhat voltages to expect (I
can dig these out if you can't get them any other way).
If in doubt, stop and ask. This sounds like a very interesting machine,
and it would be a great pity to do damage to it.
-tony
11:58 a.m.
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004, Tony Duell wrote:
Probably. But the lighting was bad and I was too far gone at that point
to tell, so I decided to put it back together to re-examine it later when
I was in a better state of mind :)
So I just
opened it up and <surprise> it's got an Intel 4004 inside!
Does it contain the other related chips (4001 ROM, 4002 RAM)? This machines is the sort of thing you don't just
power up!. It's
sufficiently rare, and the chips are also rare (4004s are difficult to
find, the ROMs with the right code in them are presumably impossible to
get) that you _must_ find a way to test that power supply on a dummy
load. Get the 4004 etc data shsets to work out vhat voltages to expect (I
can dig these out if you can't get them any other way).
If in doubt, stop and ask. This sounds like a very interesting machine,
and it would be a great pity to do damage to it.
Ok, I'll open it up tonight (time permitting) and take some photos for
Rick and also survey the rest of the unit.
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7 Jun
7 Jun
5:22 p.m.
I need to find a trashed out calc it seems just so we can get a 4004 for the
microprocessor collection here!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 12:22 AM
Subject: Cool 4004 based calculator
Whilst thrifting for Atari joysticks today, I came across a barely
interesting looking desk calculator and a hunch compelled me to take a
chance on it. It is the Unicom 141P made by Unicom Systems, Inc. The
label indicates, "Made in Japan".
"Hmmm...Unicom...Unicom...Japan..." It sounded familiar. Of course I was
thinking "Busicom", which is the name of the Japanese company that
ordered the development of what became the 4004 for a new calculator they
were designing. But I couldn't quite remember the name. At $5, I figured
it was worth taking a chance. It was, as I mentioned, a barely
interesting desktop calculator, so worst case it would serve as a good
example of a 1970s desktop calculator (I was pretty certain it was circa
1970s).
So I just opened it up and <surprise> it's got an Intel 4004 inside!
Unfortunately, I'm not able to test it out because it requires a funky
squarish three prong power cord. I'll have to look around and see if I
can find one.
There's only one (out of two) relevant Google results, that being this
guy's website:
http://www.devidts.com/be-calc/index.html
With this calculator listed on his "Alphabetic catalog of Electronic
Calculators" list.
http://www.devidts.com/be-calc/catalog_U.asc.htm
Might anyone (Rick Bensene?) have any info about this calculator? Rick's
site lists the Busicom 141 in his wanted section:
http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/wanted.html#WANTED-BUSICOM
Is this in fact a re-badged Busicom? Or just coincidence? Rick's
description indicates that the Busicom 141 is based on discrete
diode/transistor logic with a Nixie tube display, whereas this one has a
printing mechanism only.
In searching for info, I came across another interesting website here:
http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber/cmhistory.htm
...with this interesting article:
http://www.dotpoint.com/xnumber/e_walther.htm
Oddly enough (perhaps), this represents the only 4004-based computing
device in my archive.
I'm relatively stoked ;)
(And I haven't been thus about a new find in a long time...)
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5:35 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:22:00PM -0700, ed sharpe wrote:
I need to find a trashed out calc it seems just so we
can get a 4004 for the
microprocessor collection here!
I have two 4004s... one came from a non-UPC barcode reader I picked up at
Dayton 20+ years ago for $5, the other from a commercial kitchen scale with
LED readout.
They were used in more than just calculators.
-ethan
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PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -77 F (-60.6 C) Windchill -115.5 F (-82 C)
APO AP 96598 Wind 11.1 kts Grid 026 Barometer 669 mb (11042. ft)
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8 Jun
8 Jun
1:46 a.m.
>>>> "Ethan" == Ethan Dicks
<dickset(a)amanda.spole.gov> writes:
Ethan> On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:22:00PM -0700, ed sharpe wrote:
> I need to find a trashed out calc it seems just so
we can get a
> 4004 for the microprocessor collection here!
Ethan> I have two 4004s... one came from a non-UPC barcode reader I
Ethan> picked up at Dayton 20+ years ago for $5, the other from a
Ethan> commercial kitchen scale with LED readout.
Ethan> They were used in more than just calculators.
Indeed. A classmate of mine made a "PC" out of one, back in 1974, as
a college honors project. Designed the whole thing, and built it
(over 100 ICs, mostly 7400 series SSI, wire wrapped).
It sufficiently impressed Fermi Labs that they wanted to make some
copies of it...
paul
12 Jun
12 Jun
3:52 p.m.
so you have a 400 you can share with us?
does ups pick up at the south pole? <grin>
ed!
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Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Cool 4004 based calculator
with
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:22:00PM -0700, ed sharpe
wrote:
> I need to find a trashed out calc it seems just so we can get a 4004 for
the
microprocessor
collection here!
I have two 4004s... one came from a non-UPC barcode reader I picked up at
Dayton 20+ years ago for $5, the other from a commercial kitchen scale LED readout.
They were used in more than just calculators.
-ethan
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Z
South Pole Station
PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -77 F (-60.6 C) Windchill -115.5 F
(-82 C)
APO AP 96598 Wind 11.1 kts Grid 026
Barometer 669 mb (11042.
ft)
Ethan.Dicks(a)amanda.spole.gov
http://penguincentral.com/penguincentral.html
5:05 p.m.
On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 08:52:12PM -0700, ed sharpe wrote:
so you have a 400 you can share with us?
Not at this time... I acually have a couple of projects I'd like to put
a 4004 into (like a clock).
does ups pick up at the south pole? <grin>
Ah, no. USPS only, and not for 5 more months.
-ethan
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South Pole Station
PSC 468 Box 400 Temp -71.3 F (-57.4 C) Windchill -117 F (-82.8 C)
APO AP 96598 Wind 18.8 kts Grid 027 Barometer 687 mb (10365 ft)
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14 Jun
14 Jun
11:07 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 08:52:12PM -0700, ed sharpe
wrote:
does ups pick up at the south pole? <grin>
Ah, no. USPS only, and not for 5 more months.
-ethan
I figured they would leave that task to the New York Air National Guard,
the folks who support Operation Deep Freeze down there at the bottom of
the world.
3:28 p.m.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 04:07:04PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
Ethan Dicks wrote:
NYANG does the flying, but the USPS accepts the packages before they enter
the Military APO system at SFO.
It makes some things a pain, like when I was ordering parts this summer
to build my Popular Electronics Elf... I had to use vendors that were
willing to put a package in the U.S. Mail (B.G. Micro was great about it).
I ordered a lens for my digital camera, and it had to go home first (Olympus
America only ships UPS), then _they_ put it in the mail... took weeks longer
than it needed to, and I had to pay shipping twice!
-ethan
P.S. - Operation Deep Freeze is no longer - the Navy disbanded its
detachments about five years ago, after they handed all the land-based
operations to civilian contractors, and the flying to NYANG (LC-130s)
and PHI (helos).
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APO AP 96598 Wind 7.7 kts Grid 062 Barometer 684.3 mb (10464. ft)
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On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 08:52:12PM -0700, ed
sharpe wrote:
does ups pick up at the south pole? <grin>
Ah, no. USPS only, and not for 5 more months.
I figured they would leave that task to the New York Air National Guard,
the folks who support Operation Deep Freeze down there at the bottom of
the world. 
8 Jun
8 Jun
7:35 a.m.
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, ed sharpe wrote:
I need to find a trashed out calc it seems just so we
can get a 4004 for the
microprocessor collection here!
There are a few other sources of 4004's.
I used to have half a dozen DTC-300 [HiType I]
daisy wheel terminals that used 4004's.
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allain＠panix.com -
ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk -
cisin＠xenosoft.com -
dickset＠amanda.spole.gov -
donm＠cts.com -
esharpe＠uswest.net -
gsutton9503＠wavecable.com -
hansp＠citem.org -
jrkeys＠concentric.net -
ohh＠drizzle.com -
pat＠computer-refuge.org -
pkoning＠equallogic.com -
rickb＠bensene.com -
rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com -
ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net -
vcf＠siconic.com