On Jan 15 2005, 0:04, Tom Jennings wrote: ^^^^^^^^^ Where did that come from? :-) It could easily be DOS. Frameworks was a DOS office applications suite. IIRC it included a word processor, a spreadsheet, and a basic database. Borland bought out Ashton Tate but they kept Frameworks as a DOS suite. I think Frameworks is still around, and it should run under windows, so if Tore can get the files off the machine they should be usable. Ah yes, I've just found www.framework.com (they seem to have dropped the "s"). Tore, I think you should ask around and see if anyone has an old copy you could borrow. A lot of older Toshibas are plasma displays. Tore said this one is plasma, so it must be fairly old and probably runs DOS or Windows 3.1. I agree, Kermit might not be a bad way to get the files off. The .exe file from MS-Kermit will easily fit on a 720K floppy, and version 3.15 will also run under Win95 (and probably XP, I can't remember if I tried that last time I used it because I upgraded the old bench PC to Linux after a few days). You can get it from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York