26 Jan
2002
26 Jan
'02
6:44 p.m.
From: Ian Koller <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net>
I looked at it, then checked your "me" page,
then gave up.
If you want auctions that automatically extend, you have
that option as a seller on Yahoo.
Ian, thanks for pointing this out. For the group, here's a snippet from
Pat's Ebay "me" page:
[begin snippet]
I reserve the right not to honor any bid made during the last 2 minutes of
one of my auctions. Also, I
maintain a list of everyone who has ever "bid sniped" me on any auction
that I was a bidder on, and I
reserve the right to not honor any bids on my auction items from any bidder
on that list.
[snippet ends]
I don't have a lot of Ebay experience, but I was under the impression that
it was a fairly level playing field, albeit one where "anything goes." If
someone comes up against me with a faster machine and a faster connection,
then I may be sniped. Oh well. This guy carries grudges and does not
appear to be a trustworthy person to deal with. I'll look more closely at
"me" pages in the future. Sheesh!
Glen
0/0
Pat Barron wrote:
>
> I happened across one of these recently, and have no real interest in
> Microdata. So, I've listed the thing on eBay, check it out if
> interested...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1326034396
>
> --Pat.
26 Jan
26 Jan
7:52 p.m.
HE may have the right to do this but all buyers have the right to "snipe"
according to reality as well as ebay's rules and standards. if there is 1
second left and you pop in a winning bid then others have to deal with it
and the buyer *should* be mature enough to enjoy the money earned by the
final bid. What business is it of the seller that the final bid was posted
in the lst 2 minutes anyway? I never post a bid before the last 30 seconds.
I need to make sure that I don't ever partonize this person's auctions.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Glen Goodwin
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 11:45 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: WTF? (was Re: Microdata "Microprogramming Handbook")
From: Ian Koller <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net>
I looked at it, then checked your "me" page,
then gave up.
If you want auctions that automatically extend, you have
that option as a seller on Yahoo.
Ian, thanks for pointing this out. For the group, here's a snippet from
Pat's Ebay "me" page:
[begin snippet]
I reserve the right not to honor any bid made during the last 2 minutes of
one of my auctions. Also, I
maintain a list of everyone who has ever "bid sniped" me on any auction
that I was a bidder on, and I
reserve the right to not honor any bids on my auction items from any bidder
on that list.
[snippet ends]
I don't have a lot of Ebay experience, but I was under the impression that
it was a fairly level playing field, albeit one where "anything goes." If
someone comes up against me with a faster machine and a faster connection,
then I may be sniped. Oh well. This guy carries grudges and does not
appear to be a trustworthy person to deal with. I'll look more closely at
"me" pages in the future. Sheesh!
Glen
0/0
Pat Barron wrote:
>
> I happened across one of these recently, and have no real interest in
> Microdata. So, I've listed the thing on eBay, check it out if
> interested...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1326034396
>
> --Pat.
7:57 p.m.
If those terms were on an auction I were interested in,
I'd report it to Safe Harbor. I imagine eBay frowns on
people adding their own arbitrary auction rules.
And since these terms aren't displayed on the (or even
mentioned--there's no requirement that a potential
bidder follow the "me" link in case there are onerous
terms there to examine) auction page, if I bid and
won in the last two minutes, I would file a non-
performing seller report and leave a politely
worded but clear negative feedback.
Fortunately, Microdata isn't one of my interests.
27 Jan
27 Jan
3:40 a.m.
At 12:44 AM 1/27/2002 -0500, Glen Goodwin wrote:
[begin snippet]
I reserve the right not to honor any bid made during the last 2 minutes of
one of my auctions. Also, I
maintain a list of everyone who has ever "bid sniped" me on any auction
that I was a bidder on, and I
reserve the right to not honor any bids on my auction items from any bidder
on that list.
[snippet ends]
Does eBay allow this?
- John
4:13 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:40 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: WTF? (was Re: Microdata "Microprogramming Handbook")
At 12:44 AM 1/27/2002 -0500, Glen Goodwin wrote:
No, eBay does not, and if someone gets caught performing an action like
that, eBay will terminate their account. eBay does not recognize "sniping",
particularly since their own bidding service basically performs that same
function. It's just a matter of when you hit <return>.
--John
[begin snippet]
I reserve the right not to honor any bid made during the last 2
minutes of
one of my auctions. Also, I
maintain a list of everyone who has ever "bid sniped" me on any auction
that I was a bidder on, and I
reserve the right to not honor any bids on my auction items from
any bidder
on that list.
[snippet ends]
Does eBay allow this?
- John
6:11 a.m.
Frankly, no.
This is illeagal. Failure to honor a bid is actionable.
And frankly, I'd sue his ass if he did not honor my bid.
John Foust wrote:
At 12:44 AM 1/27/2002 -0500, Glen Goodwin wrote:
[begin snippet]
I reserve the right not to honor any bid made during the last 2 minutes of
one of my auctions. Also, I
maintain a list of everyone who has ever "bid sniped" me on any auction
that I was a bidder on, and I
reserve the right to not honor any bids on my auction items from any bidder
on that list.
[snippet ends]
Does eBay allow this?
- John 
6:30 a.m.
Glen,
Pat responded on this list, mentioning that he was considering
toning that down. His feedback is of a decent size and with no
negatives, so you should consider him to be reliable. If he
accepts your payment, he'll ship you the item.
It's just an approach to the issue of sniping which is unusual.
I pointed out to him the fact that Yahoo Auctions has the feature
which the seller can select of autoextending, which might better
suit his needs and avoid a potential conflict over a late winning
bid.
Another, more diplomatic aproach could be a randomized ending
time, so that if someone wanted the item, they would have to have
a bid in early enough, or face the possibility of having lost
their chance at it.
Some very good discussion about the issue of sniping can be
seen at ...
http://www.geocities.com/phillipcreed/myths.html
http://www.geocities.com/phillipcreed/
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/supersniper/
Ian
p.s. Pat, I didn't mean to bring "the wrath of the list" down
upon you over this. Perhaps, with ( note to self ) calm,
intelligent discussion, alternative solutions to a very
controversial issue may come to surface.
Glen Goodwin wrote:
From: Ian Koller <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net>
I looked at it, then checked your "me"
page, then gave up.
If you want auctions that automatically extend, you have
that option as a seller on Yahoo.
Ian, thanks for pointing this out. For the group, here's a snippet from
Pat's Ebay "me" page:
[begin snippet]
I reserve the right not to honor any bid made during the last 2 minutes of
one of my auctions. Also, I
maintain a list of everyone who has ever "bid sniped" me on any auction
that I was a bidder on, and I
reserve the right to not honor any bids on my auction items from any bidder
on that list.
[snippet ends]
I don't have a lot of Ebay experience, but I was under the impression that
it was a fairly level playing field, albeit one where "anything goes." If
someone comes up against me with a faster machine and a faster connection,
then I may be sniped. Oh well. This guy carries grudges and does not
appear to be a trustworthy person to deal with. I'll look more closely at
"me" pages in the future. Sheesh!
Glen
0/0
> Pat Barron wrote:
> >
> > I happened across one of these recently, and have no real interest in
> > Microdata. So, I've listed the thing on eBay, check it out if
> > interested...
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1326034396
> >
> > --Pat. 
28 Jan
28 Jan
4:24 a.m.
Just as a point of information, I asked this specific question of eBay
customer service (i.e., whether or not I could reject bids from snipers),
and was told that as long as I clearly indicated what types of bids and/or
bidders I would not accept, that this was fine. This was in June 2000; I
don't know whether or not, if I asked them the same question today, I'd
get the same answer.
In thinking about this over the weekend, though, I realize that this
policy doesn't actually do what I intended it to do (which is, to
discourage bid sniping). Actually, it just moves back the "sniping
deadline" by two minutes. So, I'm just going to delete that section from
my Me page later on today.
I still like the idea (both as a seller, and as a buyer) of just letting
an auction continue as long as there are bids still coming in, so I may
check out the Yahoo! auto-extend format auction (that Ian pointed me
towards) for some items and see how well that works out.
--Pat.
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