28 Jan
2002
28 Jan
'02
4:29 p.m.
I started internal medicine rotation at the Loma Linda VA Hospital today
and noted that the entire place is crawling with WinTerms (by Wyse, no less),
running WinCE, connected via Citrix to a Win2K Advanced Server host. There
are only a few "real" PCs there -- in fact, I think the Macs might outnumber
them.
Before all of you cry off-topic, doesn't it seem odd to anyone we're now
full circle and back to low-power terminals connected to a "mainframe," now
that corporate America has gotten off its fat client kick?
Compared to the WinTerms, my old Wyse terminal looks so nice.
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28 Jan
28 Jan
5 p.m.
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Subject: Not-so-OT point of philosophy
I started internal medicine rotation at the Loma Linda VA Hospital today
and noted that the entire place is crawling with WinTerms (by
Wyse, no less),
running WinCE, connected via Citrix to a Win2K Advanced Server host. There
are only a few "real" PCs there -- in fact, I think the Macs
might outnumber
them.
Before all of you cry off-topic, doesn't it seem odd to anyone we're now
full circle and back to low-power terminals connected to a
"mainframe," now
that corporate America has gotten off its fat client kick?
[snip]
It's becaused system administrators have realized that in certain
environments, primarily where it's not compute intensive, that the rollout
and maintainence issues of full blown OSs on PCs become impractical.
Centralized computing also makes sure files are backed up, everyone gets the
new version at the same time, yada yada yada.
There are a number of advantages in centralized computing. That's one of
the reasons X-terms are so popular in some environments. Centralized
computing, graphics display clients.
--John
6:53 p.m.
> I started internal medicine rotation at the Loma
Linda VA Hospital today
> and noted that the entire place is crawling with WinTerms [...]
:
> Before all of you cry off-topic, doesn't it
seem odd to anyone we're now
> full circle and back to low-power terminals connected to a
> "mainframe," now that corporate America has gotten off its fat client
kick?
There are a number of advantages in centralized
computing. That's one of
the reasons X-terms are so popular in some environments. Centralized
computing, graphics display clients.
Oh, I know. I just thought it was intriguing how wide the pendulum swings.
At PLNU, up until around nine or ten years ago people preferred dummy
terminals hooked up to an AIX server running WordPerfect for Unix. In fact,
the idea of desktop PCs was resisted until the campus network allowed them
to do the same thing over Telnet, and then they got accustomed to Word,
and demanded P3s so they could have k3wl 3-D transitions in their PowerPoint,
and now the pendulum is swinging the other way. There has been some talk
about setting up WinTerm-like systems around there, although I stick my
Mac-lovin' nose up at that idea.
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5:01 p.m.
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Before all of you cry off-topic, doesn't it seem
odd to anyone we're now
full circle and back to low-power terminals connected to a "mainframe," now
that corporate America has gotten off its fat client kick?
A bunch of the Linux-heads here are heavily into the LTSP - Linux
Terminal Server Project. They're actually doing some healthy commercial
stuff with it.
My opinion, as a relative newcomer in the field, is that the price of
CPU cycles and storage vs the price of bandwidth drives that swing back
& forth. With a little Security consciousness thrown in.
Doc
29 Jan
29 Jan
8:54 p.m.
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Before all of you cry off-topic, doesn't it seem
odd to anyone we're now
full circle and back to low-power terminals connected to a "mainframe,"
now that corporate America has gotten off its fat client kick?
Some never left. For instance, the cash registers at the local Hastings
'entertainment superstore' have always been dumb terms connected to a
physically large Dell-branded box that lives in the same room as the safe.
Speaking of cash registers: I wish there was a SHL operation that took
mine as an operand.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
28 Jan
28 Jan
5:11 p.m.
IMHO, it started down that road with client/server and HTML......
The only problem is, we're using an operating system made for a single user
and a modest number of processes, and we've allowed Mickeysoft to turn it
into a pseudo multi-user "enterprise" server platform.
I've been using W2K for a little while now for my development platform, and
it still sucks compared to WinNT 4. It's sad that as the computing
community, we've allowed Mickeysoft to peddle this desktop "operating
system" as a server platform.
These are just my opinions, YMMV. For the small market I deal with, and the
situations that my software is called upon, MS is an absolutely stupid
choice for a server.
- Matt
At 07:29 PM 1/28/2002 -0800, you wrote:
I started internal medicine rotation at the Loma Linda
VA Hospital today
and noted that the entire place is crawling with WinTerms (by Wyse, no less),
running WinCE, connected via Citrix to a Win2K Advanced Server host. There
are only a few "real" PCs there -- in fact, I think the Macs might outnumber
them.
Before all of you cry off-topic, doesn't it seem odd to anyone we're now
full circle and back to low-power terminals connected to a "mainframe," now
that corporate America has gotten off its fat client kick?
Compared to the WinTerms, my old Wyse terminal looks so nice.
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ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu
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7:11 p.m.
Quothe Matthew Sell, from writings of Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 10:11:43PM -0600:
The only problem is, we're using an operating
system made for a single user
and a modest number of processes, and we've allowed Mickeysoft to turn it
into a pseudo multi-user "enterprise" server platform.
Hey, all of M$ is annoying, but at least Micro$oft gives us a few
laughs in a perverse sort of way...
I've been using W2K for a little while now for my
development platform, and
Why? When did you first become aware of having a masochistic tendency
to crave being abused by sadistic computer software? If only someone
had found those copies of PC-World magazines hidden under your
mattress in time to help you... ;-)
it still sucks compared to WinNT 4. It's sad that
as the computing
Which, like all of the other OS wannabees from M$, sucks when compared
to UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, MVS, MPE-IV, Accent, POS, and even CP/M. M$-DOS
may have it's limited uses when it's windowing interface isn't
attached; however, thinking of that as a useful OS is hypothetically
able to induce usefulOSophobia in some people predisposed to various
disorders preventing them from differentiating useful operating
systems from computer viruses pretending to be useful operating
systems.
community, we've allowed Mickeysoft to peddle this
desktop "operating
system" as a server platform.
Please don't included me in that "we've," since I don't use those
viruses from Micro$oft.
These are just my opinions, YMMV. For the small market
I deal with, and the
situations that my software is called upon, MS is an absolutely stupid
choice for a server.
Isn't M$ an insipid choice for anything, except for inspiring dark
humor? :-)
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http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
7:18 p.m.
eeewwwwww.........
You said all the things I *really* wanted to say.... : )
Actually - I don't read those PC-trash mags. Useless in my opinion. They
all say the same thing - "Everyone needs to go out and buy the very latest
from xxxxxx".
I stopped reading PC Mags when Compute! stopped putting program listings in
them......
You are excused from my general classification of "we". You gave a good
enough reason.
W2K does have a decent game of pinball..... I play it while my Linux box
does the stuff I don't trust Windows to do..... : )
- Matt
At 01:11 AM 1/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Quothe Matthew Sell, from writings of Mon, Jan 28, 2002
at 10:11:43PM -0600:
Matthew Sell
Programmer
On Time Support, Inc.
www.ontimesupport.com
(281) 296-6066
Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST!
http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...
The only problem is, we're using an operating
system made for a single
user
and a modest number of processes, and we've
allowed Mickeysoft to turn it
into a pseudo multi-user "enterprise" server platform.
Hey, all of M$ is annoying, but at least Micro$oft gives us a few
laughs in a perverse sort of way...
I've been using W2K for a little while now
for my development platform,
and
Why? When did you first become aware of having a masochistic tendency
to crave being abused by sadistic computer software? If only someone
had found those copies of PC-World magazines hidden under your
mattress in time to help you... ;-)
it still sucks compared to WinNT 4. It's sad
that as the computing
Which, like all of the other OS wannabees from M$, sucks when compared
to UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, MVS, MPE-IV, Accent, POS, and even CP/M. M$-DOS
may have it's limited uses when it's windowing interface isn't
attached; however, thinking of that as a useful OS is hypothetically
able to induce usefulOSophobia in some people predisposed to various
disorders preventing them from differentiating useful operating
systems from computer viruses pretending to be useful operating
systems.
community, we've allowed Mickeysoft to peddle
this desktop "operating
system" as a server platform.
Please don't included me in that "we've," since I don't use those
viruses from Micro$oft.
These are just my opinions, YMMV. For the small
market I deal with, and
the
situations that my software is called upon, MS is
an absolutely stupid
choice for a server.
Isn't M$ an insipid choice for anything, except for inspiring dark
humor? :-)
--
Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify
such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. 
29 Jan
29 Jan
12:31 a.m.
I started internal medicine rotation at the Loma Linda
VA Hospital today
and noted that the entire place is crawling with WinTerms (by Wyse, no less),
running WinCE, connected via Citrix to a Win2K Advanced Server host. There
are only a few "real" PCs there -- in fact, I think the Macs might outnumber
them.
Software, not hardware makes the world go round. If the best software uses
terminals etc. then thats what places will have. Best of course might
translate to cheapest.
5:56 a.m.
I started internal medicine rotation at the Loma Linda
VA Hospital today
and noted that the entire place is crawling with WinTerms (by Wyse, no less),
running WinCE, connected via Citrix to a Win2K Advanced Server host. There
are only a few "real" PCs there -- in fact, I think the Macs might outnumber
them.
Verizon out here uses a Citrix plugin for inputing phone
requests from the corporate/Government side and they push a whole
NT/2000 desktop over the line to the remote computer, which also must
be running NT at least. It's so slow that most of the time it
appears to be locked up. Our LAN is no slouch either, as we stream
over it to the 'net a couple of times a week.
Jeff
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