7 Sep
2006
7 Sep
'06
2:27 a.m.
On 9/7/06, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
Is there an equivalent to CTRL-ALT-Delete on the C64
so you don't
have to turn it on and off every time you want to run a new program?
Zane
RUN/STOP-Restore is what you're looking for, but with many programs it
doesn't work due to their hijacking of the metal from the ROM.
Wow, a question I could answer.
Josef
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7 Sep
7 Sep
2:53 a.m.
Run/Stop + Restore will break a BASIC program but it is not the
equivalant of a three fingered salute as it does not reset the
hardware. After you've issued a break and regained input control to
the BASIC interpreter you can initiate a soft reset by typing "SYS
64738" (without the quotes) and pressing RETURN. If you're just trying
to clear a BASIC program from memory you could type "NEW" and hit
RETURN. If you're running a machine langauge program (read most
commercial software) then you're probably out of luck. There is no way
to do a hard reset on a stock 64 other than cycling the power although
there are ways to add a reset button and some utility cartridges have
reset buttons.
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3:31 a.m.
I know at least on the 128 model there was a way you could drop into an
assembly monitor and reset that way.
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Subject: Re: Re: "reset" C64?
Run/Stop + Restore will break a BASIC program but it is not the
equivalant of a three fingered salute as it does not reset the
hardware. After you've issued a break and regained input control to
the BASIC interpreter you can initiate a soft reset by typing "SYS
64738" (without the quotes) and pressing RETURN. If you're just trying
to clear a BASIC program from memory you could type "NEW" and hit
RETURN. If you're running a machine langauge program (read most
commercial software) then you're probably out of luck. There is no way
to do a hard reset on a stock 64 other than cycling the power although
there are ways to add a reset button and some utility cartridges have
reset buttons.
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Dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.
8:46 a.m.
I know at least on the 128 model there was a way you
could drop into an
assembly monitor and reset that way.
Well, the 128 has a dedicated reset button on the side, for one thing.
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11:02 a.m.
At 5:46 AM -0700 9/7/06, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
OK, maybe I do have a reason to get the C128 out of storage!
Zane
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I know at
least on the 128 model there was a way you could drop into an
assembly monitor and reset that way.
Well, the 128 has a dedicated reset button on the side, for one thing.
11:03 a.m.
At 2:53 AM -0400 9/7/06, Golan Klinger wrote:
commercial software) then you're probably out of
luck. There is no way
to do a hard reset on a stock 64 other than cycling the power although
there are ways to add a reset button and some utility cartridges have
reset buttons.
Any idea which utility cartridges have a reset button?
Zane
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4:01 p.m.
commercial
software) then you're probably out of luck. There is no way
to do a hard reset on a stock 64 other than cycling the power although
there are ways to add a reset button and some utility cartridges have
reset buttons.
Any idea which utility cartridges have a reset button? 
4:43 p.m.
On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
The most notable in NTSC-land are the Super Snapshot and Final Cartridge.
Action Replay should also have one, I think.
Alas, the Epyx FastLoad does not.
As documented below, /RESET on the USER port shorted to GND will cause
a hardware reset.
http://hardwarebook.net/connector/cartridge/userioc64.html
On early C64s you can also use the serial (disk drive) port to reset the
machine. Later C64s have a buffer there and it no longer works.
/RESET to GND again:
http://hardwarebook.net/connector/serial/serialioc64.html
Many C64ers have momentary switches mounted to their cases and wired to
the backs of the USER port header for this purpose.
JP
commercial software) then you're probably out of
luck. There is no way
to do a hard reset on a stock 64 other than cycling the power although
there are ways to add a reset button and some utility cartridges have
reset buttons.
Any idea which utility cartridges have a reset button?
8 Sep
8 Sep
1:09 a.m.
Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
The most notable in NTSC-land are the Super Snapshot
and Final Cartridge.
Action Replay should also have one, I think.
Alas, the Epyx FastLoad does not.
The Mach 128 cartridge has a reset button and I found it worked better
as a fastloader on my 64 than my Epyx FastLoad did. Of course, it also
works on a 128 which makes it a pretty good utility cartridge to have
around.
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2:09 a.m.
At 1:09 AM -0400 9/8/06, Golan Klinger wrote:
Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
I found another solution that works. I have a Cartridge Expander for
the C64, it holds 3 cartridges, and more importantly it has a reset
button.
Zane
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The most notable in NTSC-land are the Super
Snapshot and Final Cartridge.
Action Replay should also have one, I think.
Alas, the Epyx FastLoad does not.
The Mach 128 cartridge has a reset button and I found it worked better
as a fastloader on my 64 than my Epyx FastLoad did. Of course, it also
works on a 128 which makes it a pretty good utility cartridge to have
around.
11:01 a.m.
Alas, the Epyx
FastLoad does not.
The Mach 128 cartridge has a reset button and I found it worked better
as a fastloader on my 64 than my Epyx FastLoad did.
11:46 a.m.
Alas, the Epyx FastLoad does not.
The Mach 128 cartridge has a reset button and I found it worked better
as a fastloader on my 64 than my Epyx FastLoad did. 
7 Sep
7 Sep
4:21 p.m.
--- "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
Any idea which utility cartridges have a reset
button?
At a place where I used to work in the late 80s, many
people used to do just that (there was a thriving C64
"underground" down at the calibration lab.
Muahahahaha). I don't remember the details, never
hacked into my 64c and did it, but it was a relatively
simple affair as I recall. A momentary push button
switch, a hole drilled in the back. Something pulled
to ground I suppose. Sorry, that's all I remember :(
There's bound to be some Commie forums somewhere in
Netland where you could find help with that.
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8:47 a.m.
And thusly were the wise words spake by Josef Chessor
On 9/7/06, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
Don't forget that you can't just hit the RESTORE key like you are
typing but you have to quickly smack it... IIRC there is a capacitor
wired in there that gives it this behaviour.
Cheers,
Bryan
Is there an equivalent to CTRL-ALT-Delete on the
C64 so you don't
have to turn it on and off every time you want to run a new program?
Zane
RUN/STOP-Restore is what you're looking for, but with many programs it
doesn't work due to their hijacking of the metal from the ROM.
7:02 p.m.
On 9/7/06, Josef Chessor <josefcub at gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/7/06, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at
aracnet.com> wrote:
Other people have pointed out the /RESET line on the User Port; I thought
I'd just point out that the RESTORE key goes right to the /NMI line. The
normal trap handler checks the keyboard for RUN/STOP and resets BASIC
(if it can). That's why it's important to press RUN/STOP, _then_ tap
RESTORE. If you try to hit both at once, you might get the timing off
just enough that you initiate the interrupt barely before you've pressed
RUN/STOP, in which case, the NMI routine will do nothing.
In any case, commercial software routinely routed the NMI vector to
a do-nothing routine to prevent you from trapping out to BASIC. Rig
up a /RESET switch off of the User Port (look up the User Port pinout
in your C= Programmer's Reference Manual to get the correct pin).
-ethan
Is there an equivalent to CTRL-ALT-Delete on the
C64 so you don't
have to turn it on and off every time you want to run a new program?
RUN/STOP-Restore is what you're looking for, but with many programs it
doesn't work due to their hijacking of the metal from the ROM.
8:56 p.m.
On 9/7/06, Josef Chessor <josefcub at gmail.com>
wrote:
Apparently this hack allows you to do a cold reset by pressing the RESTORE
key. http://commodore-gg.hobby.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=454
The idea of taking a soldering iron to one of my C64's appeals to me, I
still have the soldering Iron that was purchased to work on my VIC-20 :^)
Though I'd use a better one that I now have. Hanging the switch off the
User Port is likely to be the easiest, as I might have everything I need to
do it at home.
At the same time, I see that the "Retro Replay" cart can apparently do a
reset, and I've been threatening to get one anyway. With the optional
ethernet it looks most tempting :^) Though the "Retro Replay" cart and
RR-Net aren't cheap :^( On a related net, I managed to boot the Contiki OS
last night, and would love to be able to try the telnet client that comes
with it :^)
Zane
On 9/7/06, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at
aracnet.com> wrote:
Other people have pointed out the /RESET line on the User Port; I thought
I'd just point out that the RESTORE key goes right to the /NMI line. The
normal trap handler checks the keyboard for RUN/STOP and resets BASIC
(if it can). That's why it's important to press RUN/STOP, _then_ tap
RESTORE. If you try to hit both at once, you might get the timing off
just enough that you initiate the interrupt barely before you've pressed
RUN/STOP, in which case, the NMI routine will do nothing.
In any case, commercial software routinely routed the NMI vector to
a do-nothing routine to prevent you from trapping out to BASIC. Rig
up a /RESET switch off of the User Port (look up the User Port pinout
in your C= Programmer's Reference Manual to get the correct pin).
-ethan Is there an equivalent to CTRL-ALT-Delete on the
C64 so you don't
have to turn it on and off every time you want to run a new program?
RUN/STOP-Restore is what you're looking for, but with many programs it
doesn't work due to their hijacking of the metal from the ROM.
8 Sep
8 Sep
1:52 p.m.
And thusly were the wise words spake by Zane H. Healy
At the same time, I see that the "Retro Replay" cart can apparently do a
reset, and I've been threatening to get one anyway. With the optional
ethernet it looks most tempting :^) Though the "Retro Replay" cart and
RR-Net aren't cheap :^( On a related net, I managed to boot the Contiki OS
last night, and would love to be able to try the telnet client that comes
with it :^)
I have used the Contiki OS with the RR-Net and it works great! Pretty
cool to see the web pages it serves up from another computer.
Cheers,
Bryan
P.S. The IDE64 also has a reset switch! :)
2:38 p.m.
I have used the Contiki OS with the RR-Net and it
works great! Pretty
cool to see the web pages it serves up from another computer.
I'm still trying to figure out what can be done with Contiki, I do like that
it appears to be better than LUnix. So far I've barely had time to mess
with it.
P.S. The IDE64 also has a reset switch! :)
I'd not looked up the IDE64 till just now. A couple of questions, for
starters, is this something where you have to get a board made, and build it
yourself? The same question applies to the add-on boards. Also, is the
compact flash readable on a normal computer (in other words can it be used
to transfer files).
Zane
3:21 p.m.
And thusly were the wise words spake by Zane H. Healy
I'm still trying to figure out what can be done with Contiki, I do like that
it appears to be better than LUnix. So far I've barely had time to mess
with it.
It comes pre-built... :) Right now V4.0 is supposed to
be on the verge of being released so I would wait for that. As for
the CF card I don't know as I don't have a CF reader for my PC yet.
Cheers,
Bryan
P.S. The IDE64 also has a reset switch! :)
I'd not looked up the IDE64 till just now. A couple of questions, for
starters, is this something where you have to get a board made, and build it
yourself? The same question applies to the add-on boards. Also, is the
compact flash readable on a normal computer (in other words can it be used
to transfer files).
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