12 Feb
2000
12 Feb
'00
12:18 p.m.
All,
At the Texas Thrift Store in San Antonio, loop 410 just south of
Ingram, I found:
AT&T 6300 and Xerox box - these two looked identical except different
color schemes. Both $6.95, "as-is" and the Xerox says "works". Xerox
claimed to be made in Italy, I didn't check AT&T.
Apple IIGS - mmmm...$13.95? I didn't write it down. "as-is"
Franklin Ace 100? - ... $6.95?? "as-is".
All boxes were seperated from monitors, keyboards, cables, manuals,
software - bare boxes only. I did not spot any such peripherals which
looked at all related to any of the above, but didn't look very hard.
If anyone is interested, email me offline and I'll buy, pack, ship,
and let you know how much it cost to do all three. Hopefully, you'll then
send me a check for that amount...
- Mark
PS are announcements like this of value to anyone? Should I continue them?
Move them to the auction-announce list? Comments offline preferred, online
OK if they are of general interest.
12 Feb
12 Feb
3:42 p.m.
At 05:18 PM 2/12/00 -0600, you wrote:
All,
At the Texas Thrift Store in San Antonio, loop 410 just south of
Ingram, I found:
AT&T 6300 and Xerox box - these two looked identical except different
color schemes. Both $6.95, "as-is" and the Xerox says "works". Xerox
claimed to be made in Italy, I didn't check AT&T.
FWIW Both were made in Italy by Olivetti. But I've never heard of one
that was marked XEROX. That must be pretty unusual, you should think about
picking it up. Also the 6300s need special monitors with 15 (or 25?) pin
connectors.
Apple IIGS - mmmm...$13.95? I didn't write it down.
"as-is"
Franklin Ace 100? - ... $6.95?? "as-is".
All boxes were seperated from monitors, keyboards, cables, manuals,
software - bare boxes only. I did not spot any such peripherals which
looked at all related to any of the above, but didn't look very hard.
If anyone is interested, email me offline and I'll buy, pack, ship,
and let you know how much it cost to do all three. Hopefully, you'll then
send me a check for that amount...
- Mark
PS are announcements like this of value to anyone? Should I continue them?
Move them to the auction-announce list? Comments offline preferred, online
OK if they are of general interest.
Yeah, keep 'em coming. It's interesting to see what turns up and where
and what the prices are.
Joe
13 Feb
13 Feb
8:27 a.m.
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12:03 p.m.
You can plug other old monitors into it if you get an adapter, however there
are a couple of things that you should know first.
The monochrome monitor does get it's power from the video card but if you
open the case, and unplug the little orange/black power plug off of the
video card, you can then plug the AT&T color monitor into it. If you don't
unplug the video power plug first, you will melt your color monitor. If you
do a search for AT&T 6300 on altavista, you'll get a bunch of pin maps for
the 6300 video and keyboard plugs.
Also, if anyone is interested, I have a bunch of 6300 software, including
the hard to find keyboard mouse drivers. I also have UNIX System 5 release 2
for the 6300+. I can make copies for you. Does anyone else have any unusual
6300 software -I have a little ATT product catalog which lists tons and tons
of 6300 series software and add on parts.
Ernest
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Tony Duell
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:27 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Available in San Antonio, TX, moderately boring stuff.
picking it up. Also the 6300s need special monitors
with 15 (or 25?) pin
connectors.
IIRC, it's a DB25 connector, and it carries the (12V) power for the
monochrome monitor, so plugging anything else into the monitor socket is
a very bad idea.
-tony
12:37 p.m.
New subject: AT&T 6300/Xerox 6400
Xerox licensed the 6300 system from AT&T, repainted it, and called it the
6400. The machines are mostly identical inside and out, except for the
coloring. The Xerox is a little newer.
I know of a place, here in Seattle, that has lots of 6300 monitors and
keyboards for very cheap so if anyone buys the 6300 at San Antonio, I can
gather up the extra parts that you would need and ship them to you for cost
plus shipping -maybe $30 to $40 total, and as I said before, I also have a
the ATT MSDOS, and other software so that's available also. I even have an
extra mouse that I could sell, for the right price.
The 6300 is a funky machine but you won't see to many of them around in
working condition. Everything about them is proprietary, but you can add 8
bit ISA cards.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ernest
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 3:04 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Available in San Antonio, TX, moderately boring stuff.
You can plug other old monitors into it if you get an adapter, however there
are a couple of things that you should know first.
The monochrome monitor does get it's power from the video card but if you
open the case, and unplug the little orange/black power plug off of the
video card, you can then plug the AT&T color monitor into it. If you don't
unplug the video power plug first, you will melt your color monitor. If you
do a search for AT&T 6300 on altavista, you'll get a bunch of pin maps for
the 6300 video and keyboard plugs.
Also, if anyone is interested, I have a bunch of 6300 software, including
the hard to find keyboard mouse drivers. I also have UNIX System 5 release 2
for the 6300+. I can make copies for you. Does anyone else have any unusual
6300 software -I have a little ATT product catalog which lists tons and tons
of 6300 series software and add on parts.
Ernest
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Tony Duell
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:27 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Available in San Antonio, TX, moderately boring stuff.
picking it up. Also the 6300s need special monitors
with 15 (or 25?) pin
connectors.
IIRC, it's a DB25 connector, and it carries the (12V) power for the
monochrome monitor, so plugging anything else into the monitor socket is
a very bad idea.
-tony
2:57 p.m.
New subject: AT&T 6300/Xerox 6400
I thought the Olivetti was Xerox's 6060? It's an elegantly beautiful
machine, with the styling improved over the 6300, but all minor changes.
I have only seen two myself, a stripped carcass, and an almost mint set
with software that we were given.
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, Ernest wrote:
Xerox licensed the 6300 system from AT&T,
repainted it, and called it the
6400. The machines are mostly identical inside and out, except for the
coloring. The Xerox is a little newer.
I know of a place, here in Seattle, that has lots of 6300 monitors and
keyboards for very cheap so if anyone buys the 6300 at San Antonio, I can
gather up the extra parts that you would need and ship them to you for cost
plus shipping -maybe $30 to $40 total, and as I said before, I also have a
the ATT MSDOS, and other software so that's available also. I even have an
extra mouse that I could sell, for the right price.
The 6300 is a funky machine but you won't see to many of them around in
working condition. Everything about them is proprietary, but you can add 8
bit ISA cards.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ernest
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 3:04 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Available in San Antonio, TX, moderately boring stuff.
You can plug other old monitors into it if you get an adapter, however there
are a couple of things that you should know first.
The monochrome monitor does get it's power from the video card but if you
open the case, and unplug the little orange/black power plug off of the
video card, you can then plug the AT&T color monitor into it. If you don't
unplug the video power plug first, you will melt your color monitor. If you
do a search for AT&T 6300 on altavista, you'll get a bunch of pin maps for
the 6300 video and keyboard plugs.
Also, if anyone is interested, I have a bunch of 6300 software, including
the hard to find keyboard mouse drivers. I also have UNIX System 5 release 2
for the 6300+. I can make copies for you. Does anyone else have any unusual
6300 software -I have a little ATT product catalog which lists tons and tons
of 6300 series software and add on parts.
Ernest
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Tony Duell
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:27 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Available in San Antonio, TX, moderately boring stuff.
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
picking it up. Also the 6300s need special
monitors with 15 (or 25?) pin
connectors.
IIRC, it's a DB25 connector, and it carries the (12V) power for the
monochrome monitor, so plugging anything else into the monitor socket is
a very bad idea.
-tony
5:37 p.m.
New subject: AT&T 6300/Xerox 6400
Here is the pin out for the 25pin video cable on the monitor.
Connector: D25
1. horizontal sync
2. ID0 (monitor id)
3. vertical sync
4. red
5. green
6. blue
8. nothing
9. nothing
10. ID1
11. Mode0
12. nothing
13. -Degauss
14-21. gnd
22. nothing
23. nothing
24,25. +15V
for a monochrome monitor ID0 and ID1 are open
for color, ID0 is 0, and ID1 is 1, probably 5V, not 15v
I have eight different 6300s, and in every case, the monochrome systems have
the power connector plugged into the video card, and the color systems have
this connector unplugged. Also, I plugged a color monitor into one of the
systems using monochrome, plugged the power cord into the wall, turned on
the monitor, then the system and poof, the color monitor popped and went
out. Maybe it was a coincidence but now, I unplug that power connector to
the video card when I want to use a color monitor. Looking at the pin map
above, it looks like pins 24 and 25 are the hot ones, which might explain
why my color monitor popped but I'm not an electrician, so I'm not sure.
There are two other power wires that plug into the bus, where it connects to
the motherboard and video card, so I assume that is where the rest of the
system gets it's power.
Olivetti may have licensed the 6060 from Xerox but the Xerox 6400 is a
knockoff of the 6300, which is a knockoff of the Olivetti M24 (?) -the
boards inside even say Olivetti on both the 6300 and 6400. These two systems
are based on what I believe is the Olivetti M24 (1984.)To tell you the
truth, I know that Olivetti produced this system for both AT&T, and Xerox
but I'm not sure who designed it.
http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/oliv_m24.html
http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/att-6300.html
Ernest
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Merle K. Peirce
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 5:58 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: AT&T 6300/Xerox 6400
I thought the Olivetti was Xerox's 6060? It's an elegantly beautiful
machine, with the styling improved over the 6300, but all minor changes.
I have only seen two myself, a stripped carcass, and an almost mint set
with software that we were given.
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, Ernest wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Xerox licensed the 6300 system from AT&T,
repainted it, and called it the
6400. The machines are mostly identical inside and out, except for the
coloring. The Xerox is a little newer.
I know of a place, here in Seattle, that has lots of 6300 monitors and
keyboards for very cheap so if anyone buys the 6300 at San Antonio, I can
gather up the extra parts that you would need and ship them to you for
cost
plus shipping -maybe $30 to $40 total, and as I said
before, I also have a
the ATT MSDOS, and other software so that's available also. I even have an
extra mouse that I could sell, for the right price.
The 6300 is a funky machine but you won't see to many of them around in
working condition. Everything about them is proprietary, but you can add 8
bit ISA cards.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ernest
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 3:04 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Available in San Antonio, TX, moderately boring stuff.
You can plug other old monitors into it if you get an adapter, however
there
are a couple of things that you should know first.
The monochrome monitor does get it's power from the video card but if you
open the case, and unplug the little orange/black power plug off of the
video card, you can then plug the AT&T color monitor into it. If you don't
unplug the video power plug first, you will melt your color monitor. If
you
do a search for AT&T 6300 on altavista, you'll
get a bunch of pin maps for
the 6300 video and keyboard plugs.
Also, if anyone is interested, I have a bunch of 6300 software, including
the hard to find keyboard mouse drivers. I also have UNIX System 5 release
2
for the 6300+. I can make copies for you. Does anyone
else have any
unusual
6300 software -I have a little ATT product catalog
which lists tons and
tons
of 6300 series software and add on parts.
Ernest
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Tony Duell
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 11:27 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Available in San Antonio, TX, moderately boring stuff.
> picking it up. Also the 6300s need special monitors with 15 (or 25?)
pin
connectors.
IIRC, it's a DB25 connector, and it carries the (12V) power for the
monochrome monitor, so plugging anything else into the monitor socket is
a very bad idea.
-tony
14 Feb
14 Feb
7:28 a.m.
New subject: AT&T 6300/Xerox 6400
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4:54 p.m.
At 12:25 AM 2/14/00 +0000, someone wrote:
[AT&T6300]
> The monochrome monitor does get it's power from the video card but if you
> open the case, and unplug the little orange/black power plug off of the
> video card, you can then plug the AT&T color monitor into it. If you don't
> unplug the video power plug first, you will melt your color monitor. If you
No, you're wrong. Three of my close friends bought the 6300s when they
were new and one of them had the color monitor. You only had to unplug the
monochrome monitor and plug in the color one. NO other changes were needed.
Joe
5:44 p.m.
Check my posting on the ATT 6300/Xerox 6400. It shows a pin map of the video
cable for the monitor. I'm not an electrician but it looks like pins 24 and
25 are the hot ones, at least on the card for sure.
I've based the advice on my own experience, which could be pure coincidence
but now, I unplug the power to the video card when I use a color monitor. I
have collected eight of the 6300s, and in each case, the color monitors have
the power connector unplugged at the video card. Maybe that was coincidence
too.
Ernest
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 7:55 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Available in San Antonio, TX, moderately boring stuff.
At 12:25 AM 2/14/00 +0000, someone wrote:
[AT&T6300]
> The monochrome monitor does get it's power from the video card but if you
> open the case, and unplug the little orange/black power plug off of the
> video card, you can then plug the AT&T color monitor into it. If you
don't
> unplug the video power plug first, you will melt
your color monitor. If
you
No, you're wrong. Three of my close friends bought the 6300s when they
were new and one of them had the color monitor. You only had to unplug the
monochrome monitor and plug in the color one. NO other changes were needed.
Joe
12:11 p.m.
picking it up.
Also the 6300s need special monitors with 15 (or 25?) pin
connectors.
IIRC, it's a DB25 connector, and it carries the (12V) power for the
monochrome monitor, so plugging anything else into the monitor socket is
a very bad idea.
-tony
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