10 Jul
2001
10 Jul
'01
3:10 p.m.
I was at an auction today where they had an IBM AS/400 (or AS/200?)
mark not included in auction so I didn't bid on it :)
If someone was motivated (Will?) they could try and run the owner
to ground and see if it was going to be spit out the back end of
a lease...
Laters,
clint
PS Who besides me thinks Nascar fixed the Pepsi 400 so one of
DEI or Childress racing would win it?
10 Jul
10 Jul
4:13 p.m.
PS Who besides me thinks Nascar fixed the Pepsi 400 so
one of
DEI or Childress racing would win it?
My wife...I don't see how you'd pay off 42 other
drivers/teams to fix the outcome though, not to mention ensure that
the fix was never mentioned ever again....
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4:40 p.m.
I don't know though -- sixth or seventh place with under a yellow flag with
six laps to go, then moving up to first within a lap and a half. It just
seems a little too storybook for me.
-- Tony
At 09:13 PM 7/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:
PS Who besides
me thinks Nascar fixed the Pepsi 400 so one of
DEI or Childress racing would win it?
My wife...I don't see how you'd pay off 42 other drivers/teams to
fix the outcome though, not to mention ensure that the fix was never
mentioned ever again....
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5:06 p.m.
The only problem with AS/400s is that the OS licenses are
non-transferrable and VERY expensive.
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Clint Wolff (VAX collector) wrote:
I was at an auction today where they had an IBM AS/400 (or AS/200?)
mark not included in auction so I didn't bid on it :)
If someone was motivated (Will?) they could try and run the owner
to ground and see if it was going to be spit out the back end of
a lease...
Laters,
clint
PS Who besides me thinks Nascar fixed the Pepsi 400 so one of
DEI or Childress racing would win it?
11 Jul
11 Jul
9:13 a.m.
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10:59 a.m.
I think that was Mainframes. These are mini's.
Peace... Sridhar
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Tony Duell wrote:
The only problem with AS/400s is that the OS licenses are
non-transferrable and VERY expensive.
Are these the machines that contain a vibration switch so they can tell
if they've been moved? and if so, the license becomes invalid?
-tony
3:06 p.m.
Actually, I don't think a movement switch would be needed with
mainframe's given that they aren't likely to be moved without a great
deal of disassembly. The AS/400 comes in a numbef of different sizes
(our AS/400 is pretty small while our AS/400e is roughly 3-4 times
it's size). I've heard mention before concerning such a switch with
them though. If that's the case, and I were stuck with one, it'd
definately be time to find another OS to run on the thing! It would
seem plenty of surplus AS/400's may be headed to the scrap heap
because nobody can afford the licensing....that ranks up there with
MS and thier new subscription-only software ideas...
Jeff
I think that was Mainframes. These are mini's.
Peace... Sridhar
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Tony Duell wrote:
> >
> >
> > The only problem with AS/400s is that the OS licenses are
> > non-transferrable and VERY expensive.
>
> Are these the machines that contain a vibration switch so they can tell
> if they've been moved? and if so, the license becomes invalid?
>
> -tony
>
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3:28 p.m.
New subject: Amiga Toaster sightings....
On a tip from a coworker, I took a small drive during my
lunch to little camera shop. The guy has quite a bit of used stuff
in there, along with the new. He had two Amiga 2000's on hand,
complete with monitors, one of which was a Video Toaster setup! The
Toaster setup included all kinds of manuals and such but
unfortunately he wanted $1300 for it! Too bad the other 2000 wasn't
priced any better at $300. My coworker had told me about the
Toaster, missing the final digit in the price so I went to check out
this guy that was selling a Toaster setup for $140......bummer......
Jeff
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3:30 p.m.
Actually, I don't think a movement switch would be
needed with
mainframe's given that they aren't likely to be moved without a great
deal of disassembly. The AS/400 comes in a numbef of different sizes
(our AS/400 is pretty small while our AS/400e is roughly 3-4 times
it's size). I've heard mention before concerning such a switch with
them though. If that's the case, and I were stuck with one, it'd
definately be time to find another OS to run on the thing! It would
seem plenty of surplus AS/400's may be headed to the scrap heap
because nobody can afford the licensing....that ranks up there with
MS and thier new subscription-only software ideas...
One drawback with the AS/400 systems is there is no alternative
OS for the CISC systems (which is what you usually see selling
cheap or being scrapped).
The CISC AS/400 systems also can't run the newer releases of
the operating system.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
3:46 p.m.
One drawback with the AS/400 systems is there is no
alternative
OS for the CISC systems (which is what you usually see selling
cheap or being scrapped).
The CISC AS/400 systems also can't run the newer releases of
the operating system.
I believe our AS/400e is a RISC setup. They're attempting to
do whatever mods to it that are needed for it to run Win 2000. The
smaller AS/400 doesn't even get used any longer. It just sits on the
floor next to the larger 'e'.
Jeff
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4:14 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: IBM AS/400(?) in Denver, CO
>One drawback with the AS/400 systems is there is
no alternative
>OS for the CISC systems (which is what you usually see selling
>cheap or being scrapped).
>
>The CISC AS/400 systems also can't run the newer releases of
>the operating system.
I have one which came with it's OS still installed. Of course it would
be highly
illegal of me to use it, as the license was not transferable under any
circumstances. ;^)
Later RISC variants bound the OS license to the CPU, so the machine
would have
to be sold as a 'going concern', so it was possible to legally get
machine and license.
All of this was a customer control technique intended to nullify the 2nd
Hand market for
AS400's, which largely succeeded.
I believe our AS/400e is a RISC setup. They're
attempting to
do whatever mods to it that are needed for it to run Win 2000.
Boggle! Say again? I hesitate to say anything is impossible, but it
seems highly unlikely at best.
How? An Intel emulator on the RISC hardware? I can't think of any
other even slight viable method.
(AS400 OS actually runs on a virtual machine, independent of the
hardware type, much like Java in concept)
smaller AS/400 doesn't even get used any longer.
It just sits on the
floor next to the larger 'e'.
If it's a CISC machine, the licensing issue makes it unattractive to a
commercial user.
Okay, technically a hobbyist couldn't legally run it either.
Technically.
Cheers
Geoff in Oz
4:43 p.m.
I believe our
AS/400e is a RISC setup. They're attempting to
do whatever mods to it that are needed for it to run Win 2000.
Boggle! Say again? I hesitate to say anything is impossible, but it
seems highly unlikely at best.
How? An Intel emulator on the RISC hardware? I can't think of any
other even slight viable method.
(AS400 OS actually runs on a virtual machine, independent of the
hardware type, much like Java in concept)
4:21 p.m.
I believe our AS/400e is a RISC setup. They're
attempting to
do whatever mods to it that are needed for it to run Win 2000. The
smaller AS/400 doesn't even get used any longer. It just sits on the
floor next to the larger 'e'.
I wonder whether the mod is a coprocessor card or emulation
software?
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
4:57 p.m.
Probably an INS or whatever the spin wizards at IBM call them this week. I
have 2 systems, 1 Cisc and 1 Risc, the Risc has a P/Pro 200mhz INS
(integrated net server) running NT4 as a plugin card on the system.
Terry F
At 08:21 PM 7/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
I believe our
AS/400e is a RISC setup. They're attempting to
do whatever mods to it that are needed for it to run Win 2000. The
smaller AS/400 doesn't even get used any longer. It just sits on the
floor next to the larger 'e'.
I wonder whether the mod is a coprocessor card or emulation
software?
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
4:52 p.m.
Win2000? That would be a rather large step down.
Peace... Sridhar
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
One drawback
with the AS/400 systems is there is no alternative
OS for the CISC systems (which is what you usually see selling
cheap or being scrapped).
The CISC AS/400 systems also can't run the newer releases of
the operating system.
I believe our AS/400e is a RISC setup. They're attempting to
do whatever mods to it that are needed for it to run Win 2000. The
smaller AS/400 doesn't even get used any longer. It just sits on the
floor next to the larger 'e'.
Jeff
--
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Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
11:15 a.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Are these the machines that contain a vibration switch
so they can tell
if they've been moved? and if so, the license becomes invalid?
Jerome Fine replies:
What ever the IBM systems were that contained that feature, did
that mean that the original legal user could also not move his system
into another room?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
4:06 p.m.
Are these the
machines that contain a vibration switch so they can tell
if they've been moved? and if so, the license becomes invalid?
Jerome Fine replies:
What ever the IBM systems were that contained that feature, did
that mean that the original legal user could also not move his system
into another room? 
5:15 p.m.
The existence of the switch was in some of the manuals (the relevant
manual I seem to have chucked). I do recall that all that was required
was to call IBM for a new license, there did not seem to be anything to be
physically replaced.
Paul
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Chuck McManis wrote:
Of course not, legit owners had IBM field service move the hardware and
field service replaced the vibration switch after it was moved.
--Chuck
--
Are these
the machines that contain a vibration switch so they can tell
if they've been moved? and if so, the license becomes invalid?
Jerome Fine replies:
What ever the IBM systems were that contained that feature, did
that mean that the original legal user could also not move his system
into another room?
3:43 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: IBM AS/400(?) in Denver, CO
tell
The only problem with AS/400s is that the OS licenses are
non-transferrable and VERY expensive.
Are these the machines that contain a vibration switch so they can if they've been moved? and if so, the license
becomes invalid?
Only on the very big ones. The smaller ones (which this sounds like)
don't.
Cheers
Geoff in Oz
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