19 May
1999
19 May
'99
4:30 a.m.
Hi folks,
I'm passing this on for a friend who is not a computer collector or
subscriber to ClassicCmp.
His long-serving Mac used in his realty office had to be retired because of
some sort of video failure. He didn't want to trash it and asked me if I'd
take it. I'm not into Apple at all as that would be Yet Another Interest
which I would dig into thus spending all kinds of money and time which I
have little of either. Some of you know already that I've got enough to
handle now ;)
So, I want to let you Apple polishers (or "Mac-adamia Nuts" ;-) have a
chance at taking the system. The problem with the main box is probably
simple to fix using parts from another dead box. He says there is just a
spot on the screen about a quarter inch or so in size. The system seems to
act normally otherwise, just that he can't see anything on the screen.
Apparently to me, just the video sweep section on the CRT board failed.
Please contact him directly at esr(a)netsync.net if interested in the system.
Paul Liuzzo is his name.
Here's the list of items with the understanding that I do not know if I've
given you enough info as I don't do Mac:
** Macintosh Plus (and says 'Macintosh Plus 1MB' on the large label on the
back of the case), model M0001A. Apparently runs System 6.0.2.
** Kingston cooling fan/power switching module. Fits on top of the box to
provide additional cooling and acts as AC power control center.
** Keyboard, model M0110A
** Mouse, model M0100
** External hard drive (he recalls 40mb), CMS Enhancements (the
Computerland label for accessories they sold) model STACK/3
** Apple Personal Modem, model A9M0304
** Two Apple Imagewriter II's
1.) model A9M0320 bought w/system above
2.) model A9M0310 given to him a couple years ago and never used by
him. It's been used by previous owner though.
Software included:
** Mac Utilities, etc., for ver 6.0.2
** Filemaker Pro
** Filemaker II
** Superspool for Imagewriter
** Semantic Antivirus for Mac ver 2
** CMS SCSI Utility for Mac ver 5.3
** more misc software
** A stack of documentation for most of the s/w listed above.
He doesn't want much except to have a collector take the system, all in one
lot. I imagine paying shipping costs plus maybe a couple extra bucks would
be okay.
Again, contact Paul Liuzzo directly at esr(a)netsync.net if interested in the
system.
Jamestown, NY 14701 is the shipping point.
Thanks much!
Regards, Chris
-- --
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa
7:36 a.m.
** Kingston
cooling fan/power switching module. Fits on top of the box to
provide additional cooling and acts as AC power control center.
Does that level the top enough for wall-making stacking? 
6:32 a.m.
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1:17 p.m.
Upon the date 07:32 PM 5/19/99 +0100, Tony Duell said something like:
I had no intentions to fix the thing myself. This is a "Mac-free Zone" ;)
If one of the list members does get the system from Paul then they should
save your msg to go by. If they want it fixed before Paul sends it to them,
they should contact me to let me know. His office is just into town. I have
to find just where the heck I put those Torx drivers when I moved my shop
back in March.
BTW, I've had even more experience, in years and number of units worked on,
than you probably have. You are younger than I and I started repairing
televisions back when I was around 15. 31 years. Jeez, that's been a while
now. I'm getting old I guess ;)
-- Chris
-- --
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa
So, I want to
let you Apple polishers (or "Mac-adamia Nuts" ;-) have a
chance at taking the system. The problem with the main box is probably
simple to fix using parts from another dead box. He says there is just a
spot on the screen about a quarter inch or so in size. The system seems to
act normally otherwise, just that he can't see anything on the screen.
Apparently to me, just the video sweep section on the CRT board failed.
This sounds like the most common Mac+ fault of them all... And it's very
easy to fix. You are working on the PSU/HV board, so you should be
careful, but the capacitors seem to discharge fairly quickly on
switch-off. Perhaps I should say that only people who understand
electronics, work on monitors anyway, etc should try this.
The most difficult part is removing the case. Unplug all the cables, take
off the battery cover, and undo the 5 Torx screws on the back. You'll
need the 'long' Torx driver for the 2 in the handle.
Now look at the vertically mounted PCB - the analogue board. Near the top
is the flyback transformer. And just back from that, near the top edge,
is a 4-pin conenctor that carries the wires going to the scanning yoke.
Take the cardboard cover. There will probably be at least one dry on the
pins of that connector or on the components near it. Resolder them. Check
for burnt pins on the connector as well.
Try again. Most likely the picture will come up. If all you get is a
vertical line, then suspect the 3.9uF reversable electrolytic near that
connector.
If it still doesn't work, get back to me. I know the standard analogue
board pretty well...
20 May
20 May
9:31 a.m.
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12:03 p.m.
In message <m10kaPi-000IyHC@p850ug1>, Tony Duell writes:
[How to fix the most common Mac+ fault]
Thanks, and please keep it up. As it turns out my wife had a
Mac+ that died with very similary symptoms. I had been keeping
an eye out for a replacement analog board, but now that I know
there's a common problem with a simple fix, I'll try to repair
it myself.
I had no intentions to fix the thing myself. This
is a "Mac-free Zone" ;)
Sure. However (and this will also apply to the next paragraph] I tend to
regard this list as a 'broadcast' rather than a 1-to-1 channel. Therefore
I was providing info not only for you if you wanted to keep the machine
but also so you could fix it for Paul if he wants it fixed, or for a list
member who gets this machine, or for a list member who happens to have a
Mac+ with a similar fault. And all of us, however knowledgeable, can get shocks.
Ain't that the truth?! But my primary shock experience was with
ham radio rather than classic computers, so I won't bore you with
that here.
Brian L. Stuart
12:06 p.m.
Upon the date 10:31 PM 5/20/99 +0100, Tony Duell said something like:
[How to fix the most common Mac+ fault]
Indeed that's the exact reason I said in the same paragraph that if one of
the list members does get the machine then they should save your msg to
help them check and repair the unit.
I had no intentions to fix the thing myself. This
is a "Mac-free Zone" ;)
Sure. However (and this will also apply to the next paragraph] I tend to
regard this list as a 'broadcast' rather than a 1-to-1 channel. Therefore
I was providing info not only for you if you wanted to keep the machine
but also so you could fix it for Paul if he wants it fixed, or for a list
member who gets this machine, or for a list member who happens to have a
Mac+ with a similar fault.
Incidentally, I also _used_ to have a Mac-free zone. Then some kind
person gave me a couple of Mac+ machines with scanning probles (you
guessed it, dry joints. The local dealer had said they were beyond
repair...). And then somebody else was throwing out an LC....
I dare say that someday this may be true for me. At present, Macintosh
machines of many types are as relatively common as house flies as Allison
correctly puts it. When I cull out the collection(s) and can devote time to
concentrate on learning about the Mac world I think I would pursue getting
a system or two. Yes, this is a chance for me now if I take Paul's (if
nobody has already) but I actually have a real serious space problem around
here now and *must* start getting rid of some stuff. You'll see some of the
computer-related items offered here.
Anyhow, you do say above that you're not a Mac
person. So, presumably you
don't know the 'stock faults'...
Not with the Macs. I really don't see or hear of that many Macintosh users
around this town. That seems to correlate with the 10% to 15% of the
computers (in USA) having been Apple products. It's somewhat less now as
cheap PeeCees are upon us and folks, like my friend Paul and his wife for
example, have gone over to the Wintel side (to the Dark Side ;).
Frankly, I prefer the Motorola CPU architecture over what Intel came out
with. Hence my anxious anticipation to hack on my DEC systems and work with
my Motorola VMEbus systems (68k-based running OS-9/68k). However, the sheer
numbers of Wintel machines which populated the planet because of IBM's
marketing (and mktg of M$ and Lotus and etc. too) seemed to trample the
poor old Mac when it came out.
Apple didn't help their case by being so protective of their system (no
cloning allowed except for a short period) and keeping prices up higher
than equivalent PeeCee systems. This has been discussed before here I
think. I don't need to do much bit twiddling at the hardware level, so I
became just a lemming heading over the cliff with the rest of the Wintel
bunch because of the relatively cheap applications and very many choices of
hardware and third-party accessories.
Regards, Chris
-- --
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/awa
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5:53 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
I don't have a lack of space. I have a desire to remain married. ;)
To that end I have been going vertical, shelving, the last frontier. I have
about 10 of the typical plastic 6 foot shelf units, and I am currently
eyeballing the mother of all shelves, the Gorilla Rack (a serious steel
structure not ten cents different from the stuff Home Depot uses
themselves, just shorter topping out at 8 feet). Here is a mini review and
request for comments and suggestions.
No Name Kmart brand
Yuck, with very little weight this shelf unit is in serious trouble.
Partially my fault, never, never, never, sit one of these on something else
so that the four corner sections with the posts are not firmly supported. I
sat mine on a huge tack box I deemed too large to move. The sag is so bad
it looks like its melting.
Contico
Still yuck, but looks ok with "light" usage. Mine was fairly happy until I
put a box of transformers on a upper shelf, then it got "weak" in the
knees, but didn't fall over (yet).
Zag
The current top of the line at the CostCo reject discount store I frequent.
At about $17 a pop its hard to complain, but I don't really care for the
two adjustable shelves (since the reject store often has lost the locking
rings).
Rubbermaid
King of the shelves, I just wish I could find more at a decent price.
Sturdiest of the lot, I have one stacked high high high with a monitor on
the top and all sorts of other junk with no wobbles. Shelves have a ridge
around the outside to keep stuff from rolling off, there is a nice little
"dish" in the front to put screws etc. in, and two handle grabber things on
each side to hold a broom and or golf club.
Generic Metal
These have each corner made out of a metal V, and the shelves etc. all
fasten to that via bolts. Stronger than it looks, and the mainstay of most
serious shelf efforts.
Gorilla Racks
The same basic design used in commercial warehouse shelving, except in
"lighter" 14 guage steel. A 6' x 6' x 1.5' unit with 3 shelves is
$99 at
Home Depot and requires two people to load the box (two big ones I bet). My
neighbor went serious bananas on this, and bought several of the 6' tall
and one double 8' (shelves share a common center support section). I want
some of these pretty badly, but my lust for toys is at war with my
cheapskate nature. Tomorrow is the show down.
All of these, with the exception of the generic metal unit with all the
nuts and bolts, take just a few minutes to put together, with a rubber
mallet the only required assembly/disassembly tool required.
6:29 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
On Thu, 20 May 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
Rubbermaid
King of the shelves, I just wish I could find more at a decent price.
Sturdiest of the lot, I have one stacked high high high with a monitor on
the top and all sorts of other junk with no wobbles. Shelves have a ridge
around the outside to keep stuff from rolling off, there is a nice little
"dish" in the front to put screws etc. in, and two handle grabber things on
each side to hold a broom and or golf club.
Gorilla Racks
The same basic design used in commercial warehouse shelving, except in
"lighter" 14 guage steel. A 6' x 6' x 1.5' unit with 3 shelves is
$99 at
Home Depot and requires two people to load the box (two big ones I bet). My
neighbor went serious bananas on this, and bought several of the 6' tall
and one double 8' (shelves share a common center support section). I want
some of these pretty badly, but my lust for toys is at war with my
cheapskate nature. Tomorrow is the show down.
The plastic ones and the Gorilla Racks are by far the better choices (with
the Gorilla Rack being the better of the two, although you pay for it).
However, for a seriously big collection, the Gorilla's are just too
costly. You should try looking around at surplus shops for the heavy duty
steel shelving. Its old and ugly but it can hold 10 times the weight of a
Gorilla rack, not that you'd need that much support.
Look around at close-out sales, surplus shops, junk yards, businesses
going out of business, etc. When Home Express (a nation-wide home
furnishing store in the U.S.) went out of business a year and a half back,
they sold everything in their stores including the fixtures. The racks
they used for stored displays are superb Metro brand wire frame racks.
They were selling 2' long x 4' wide by 5' high 4-shelf racks for $80 and
half height for $50. Normal retail value on each is greater than $300. I
bought two of the former and one of the latter, and am using them for my
network closet in my upstairs office (allows cooling through the shelves,
very sturdy, holds servers, UPS, voicemail system, misc. crap) and two are
downstairs in the garage.
For my warehouse I lucked into a great deal on about 1,500sqft of heavy
duty steel shelving from a local electronics surplus shop that had an
excess of it after they movied into a smaller location. The shelving had
been sitting in their back warehouse for years taking up valuable space.
Two people prior to myself made deals to haul it off but never followed
through. I got the whole lot of shelving for $100! I had to spend
another $100 at another surplus place for additional uprights, but $200
for 1,500sqft of heavy duty steel shelving is a crime. Once it is all
erected it will form nine 18' lengths of shelving 5 shelves high.
The downside is it mostly requires nuts & bolts, although some sections
use quick install hardware (the shelf sits on a hanger hooked into the
upright).
So I suggest looking around until you find that good deal on shelving.
The greater L.A. area surely has a bounty of cheap shelving somewhere,
waiting for you to luck upon it.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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8:05 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
Gorilla Racks
The same basic design used in commercial warehouse shelving, except in
"lighter" 14 guage steel. A 6' x 6' x 1.5' unit with 3 shelves is
$99 at
Home Depot and requires two people to load the box (two big ones I bet). My
neighbor went serious bananas on this, and bought several of the 6' tall
and one double 8' (shelves share a common center support section). I want
some of these pretty badly, but my lust for toys is at war with my
cheapskate nature. Tomorrow is the show down.
The plastic ones and the Gorilla Racks are by far the better choices (with
the Gorilla Rack being the better of the two, although you pay for it).
However, for a seriously big collection, the Gorilla's are just too
costly. You should try looking around at surplus shops for the heavy duty
steel shelving. Its old and ugly but it can hold 10 times the weight of a
Gorilla rack, not that you'd need that much support.
Look around at close-out sales, surplus shops, junk yards, businesses
going out of business, etc. When Home Express (a nation-wide home
furnishing store in the U.S.) went out of business a year and a half back,
they sold everything in their stores including the fixtures. The racks
they used for stored displays are superb Metro brand wire frame racks.
They were selling 2' long x 4' wide by 5' high 4-shelf racks for $80 and
half height for $50. Normal retail value on each is greater than $300. I
21 May
21 May
5:50 a.m.
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6:52 a.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
On Thu, 20 May 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
themselves, just shorter topping out at 8 feet). Here
is a mini review and
request for comments and suggestions.
No Name Kmart brand
Yuck, with very little weight this shelf unit is in serious trouble.
I have a bunch of these in use for newspapers, letters, etc. They refuse
to stay assembled in most cases.
Generic Metal
These have each corner made out of a metal V, and the shelves etc. all
fasten to that via bolts. Stronger than it looks, and the mainstay of most
serious shelf efforts.
I used to have one of these, and while it stayed intact, the metal shelf
sagged in the middle so it looked more like a hammock. This made it rather
difficult to stack anything.
Whatever happened to wood/plywood? It is fairly cheap, since you don't
really need top quality wood, and you can easily shape it to any
length/width you want.
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is Power
11:27 a.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
Whatever happened to wood/plywood? It is fairly cheap,
since you don't
really need top quality wood, and you can easily shape it to any
length/width you want.
Good idea, I'll stop by Ikea and see what they have. ;)
Perhaps you would see the humor of your suggestion if you looked at some of
my previous constructions in wood. My carpenter fatherinlaw about busted a
gut when he looked at a door I made. Lesson one, doors don't make a good
first project. Lesson two, in addition to a saw and hammer, a plumb and
square are usefull tools.
12:41 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
first project. Lesson two, in addition to a saw and
hammer, a plumb and
square are usefull tools.
I have yet to learn this myself :)
I'm sure you will be able to get it cut to the size you need at the store
for a small extra fee.
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is Power
1:51 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
Yeah, usually fifty cents a cut, but this brings up another point: how do
you get it all home? I'm lucky to drive a 4-door Honda Civic with the
ability to put the back seat down so I can get long sections into the car.
But other people may not have such an accomodating vehicle. If you need
to have the wood deliver that's another factor, unless you want to go bug
the neighbor to borrow his pickup truck.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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first project. Lesson two, in addition to a saw
and hammer, a plumb and
square are usefull tools.
I have yet to learn this myself :)
I'm sure you will be able to get it cut to the size you need at the store
for a small extra fee. 
23 May
23 May
11:05 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
Mike Ford wrote:
I use their STEN shelving. It's cheap and goes together nicely. There
are both 50cm and 30cm deep shelves. I have mine packed with a lot of
heavy stuff (they say it can take 500Kg per shelf) and they seem to be
standing up well. They have wooden wheeled storage boxes that fit in
with it, and some their other plastic storage boxes make very good cable
boxes that fit flush in the 50cm deep shelves.
Kevan
Whatever happened to wood/plywood? It is fairly
cheap, since you don't
really need top quality wood, and you can easily shape it to any
length/width you want.
Good idea, I'll stop by Ikea and see what they have. ;)
21 May
21 May
1:13 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
Whatever happened to wood/plywood? It is fairly cheap,
since you don't
really need top quality wood, and you can easily shape it to any
length/width you want.
a) wood is not as cheap as you think
b) its a lot of work
A 2x4 and plywood rack the size of two Gorilla racks side by side would
cost about 80 dollars in wood and nails and brackets.
It will cost you about 6 hours worth of time to saw the wood and nail it
together if you are not an experienceed carpenter.
It will weigh a lot and will be a bitch to tear down if you ever wanted to
move it somewhere else.
I know all this from experience. Its better to buy Gorilla racks.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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12:43 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
It will weigh a lot and will be a bitch to tear down if
you ever wanted to
move it somewhere else.
I know all this from experience. Its better to buy Gorilla racks.
Well, you're talking about a warehouse situation. I'm thinking of a garage
or a basement of moderate dimensions.
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
http://scivault.hypermart.net: Ignorance is Impotence - Knowledge is Power
12:56 p.m.
New subject: TCPIP via ethernet under DOS? (I know that is possible...but!)
Here is I have this:
Cable modem, few classic and (few not so-classic) machines w/
ethernet cards, DOS.
Got drivers for netcards alright except:
What s/w is needed to do the ip polling to gather in ip numbers on
outset of connecting to cablemodem?
Is there's an good FAQ on this?
I have seen the FAQ's for dos and ppp, TCPIP setup by modem is easily
found by net searches but I'm not able to find any on this premises
I'm looking for.
Ever there's is a FTP program for DOS at all as well?
WHY? I had enough troubles with win9x's file mangler when d/ling
linux files and fragile files that breaks (once in a while).
Ram is no problem, I can choose any machines and/or add more than
1MB. :-)
I'm aware of web browsers for DOS but I dunno know what they're
capable of as I outlined here.
I have heard of Pmail 3.40 and Arachne solution by popping by pmail
these to be sent files in correct location for Arachne to pick up and
send it and vice vesa. Again, that's partially ppp but I wanted to
know if Arachne does it themselves too? It would be nice if there is
a addon that works with pmail so I don't have to depend on arachne
for both ways. (Remember each of two have to run seperately).
Is there's a good email for DOS that still meets standards that pmail
does? Ditto mime and uueneoded attachments.
I seems to sound like newbie, yeah it is!
Wizard
22 May
22 May
7:56 a.m.
New subject: TCPIP via ethernet under DOS? (I know that is possible...but!)
Here is I have this:
Cable modem, few classic and (few not so-classic) machines w/
ethernet cards, DOS.
Got drivers for netcards alright except:
What s/w is needed to do the ip polling to gather in ip numbers on
outset of connecting to cablemodem?
Is there's an good FAQ on this?
I have seen the FAQ's for dos and ppp, TCPIP setup by modem is easily
found by net searches but I'm not able to find any on this premises
I'm looking for.
Ever there's is a FTP program for DOS at all as well?
WHY? I had enough troubles with win9x's file mangler when d/ling
linux files and fragile files that breaks (once in a while).
Ram is no problem, I can choose any machines and/or add more than
1MB. :-)
I'm aware of web browsers for DOS but I dunno know what they're
capable of as I outlined here.
I have heard of Pmail 3.40 and Arachne solution by popping by pmail
these to be sent files in correct location for Arachne to pick up and
send it and vice vesa. Again, that's partially ppp but I wanted to
know if Arachne does it themselves too? It would be nice if there is
a addon that works with pmail so I don't have to depend on arachne
for both ways. (Remember each of two have to run seperately).
Is there's a good email for DOS that still meets standards that pmail
does? Ditto mime and uueneoded attachments.
I seems to sound like newbie, yeah it is!
Wizard
Okay, it sounds like you're looking to build a LAN around your cable modem.
Some things to consider: 1. Your cable modem probably is only going to
assign you one IP address. If you only use one machine at a time, this probably
isn't a problem. 2. If your cable modem is giving you a different IP address
each time you connect with it (I think this is called DHCP, but I'm not sure)
you're going to have problems getting classic DOS network tools to work with
it.
Having said this, there are of course ways to make this work.
I would really suggest loading Linux on an appropriate machine connected to
both the cable modem and an ethernet board, and configuring the kernel so
it can do IP forwarding and masquarading. Then set the linux box up to get the
address from the cable modem. Set a second address on the linux box to
addresses in the series 10.0.0.1 and set static addresses in that series
on all the other boxes you want to run on the network. From the internet's
perspective the only machine that's talking to the net will be the linux box
on its valid IP address. You won't be able to run servers that can be touched
by the outside world on your network, since the outside world can't see anything
but your linux box (and since the linux box's address changes each time it
connects via the cable modem.)
To make the dos boxes work, go to WUarchive and look for either CRYNWYR or CMU
packet drivers appropriate to your ethernet boards. (I'd go Crynwyr,
personally). Then look for a telnet package that works with those drivers
on the same archive. Also look for Minuette - a really nice package of e-mail
news, gopher (and maybe telnet, I forget) that the university of minnesota
put out for packet driver connected DOS machines years ago.
And welcome to the bad old days of PC networking. It worked, but it was
absolutely dependant on static IP addresses, and on several layers of TSRs
calling each other. It's hard to believe how much of an improvement winsock
was when it came out, considering how crummy a TCP implementation it is
generally speaking.
--
Jim Strickland
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25 May
25 May
2:49 a.m.
New subject: TCPIP via ethernet under DOS? (I know that is possible...but!)
At 12:56 AM 5/22/99 +0000, jpero(a)pop.cgocable.net wrote:
Here is I have this:
Cable modem, few classic and (few not so-classic) machines w/
ethernet cards, DOS.
Any luck so far? Given a spare moment, I could dig into my system to
see how I did it. I remember using a solution using a packet radio
driver and an 'ftp' program that I used before Win 3.11 networking
came along. As to be expected of DOS, it mucked with a slew of drivers
in CONFIG.SYS. I'm sure it was fixed IP, so your best bet would be
to set up a firewall Linux box to connect to the cable modem,
and run your old boxes on a subnet with fixed IPs that can talk to
the firewall to get to the net.
- John
7:48 a.m.
New subject: TCPIP via ethernet under DOS? (I know that is possible...b
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:49:52 -0500
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
From: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: TCPIP via ethernet under DOS? (I know that is
possible...but!)
At 12:56 AM 5/22/99 +0000, jpero(a)pop.cgocable.net
wrote:
Got some progress in gathering s/w from new successful searches with
right keywords. That is what I wondered about the packet drivers.
TCP to packet drivers do exist. But that caused me vast and terrible
visions of drivers atop another drivers to the final solution. Ugh!
Looks like this:
Kick the nic driver into action,
pull ip info w/ bootp, (that is the hardest part to transfer the info
between 2 programs) Invoke the tcp packet driver.
Then use any packet-aware apps like ftp, newsreaders etc.
But. The primary purpose is to d/l stuff by lynx or ftp (I like lynx
better for this) so I can "bootstrap" up to linux.
And I also found CUTCP too. What about it?
Wizard
Here is I have this:
Cable modem, few classic and (few not so-classic) machines w/
ethernet cards, DOS.
Any luck so far? Given a spare moment, I could dig into my system to
see how I did it. I remember using a solution using a packet radio
driver and an 'ftp' program that I used before Win 3.11 networking
came along. As to be expected of DOS, it mucked with a slew of drivers
in CONFIG.SYS. I'm sure it was fixed IP, so your best bet would be
to set up a firewall Linux box to connect to the cable modem,
and run your old boxes on a subnet with fixed IPs that can talk to
the firewall to get to the net.
- John
21 May
21 May
1:52 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Still.
Oh well, you need to experience it for yourself firsthand in order to
understand.
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It will weigh a lot and will be a bitch to tear
down if you ever wanted to
move it somewhere else.
I know all this from experience. Its better to buy Gorilla racks.
Well, you're talking about a warehouse situation. I'm thinking of a garage
or a basement of moderate dimensions.
7:40 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
I know all this from experience. Its better to buy
Gorilla racks.
Well, you're talking about a warehouse situation. I'm thinking of a garage
or a basement of moderate dimensions.
22 May
22 May
5:21 a.m.
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21 May
2:04 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
It will cost you about 6 hours worth of time to saw
the wood and nail it
together if you are not an experienceed carpenter.
It will weigh a lot and will be a bitch to tear down if you ever wanted to
move it somewhere else.
I can testify to this. I'm not an 'experienced carpenter' (yet.. I
really
love woodworking, even if it is just building shelves and the like...)
I'm Production Manager for my high schools's drama department (this means
that I'm the person that builds and moves all the sets around) so I have a
fairly good idea how to build things... my father, unfortunately, does
not.
When we moved into this house, he thought it would be a good idea to have
some shelves to store boxes on... great idea. Unfortunately, he apparently
had no idea whatsoever how to go about this. We're moving again now and my
parents said I could have the lumber to build new shelves for my area in
the basement. I took apart the shelves... two of them... in about four
hours... not much fun. My dad has the nasty tendancy when a nail gets
slightly bent to hammer it into the wood sideways... a realy bitch to try
to get out.. (I'm building the next with screws!)
And it also wasn't much fun hauling 24 32"x24" plywood boards up the
stairs... then the 8 6' 2x4s... oh well.
Kevin
3:54 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
Date sent: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
Send reply to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
From: Max Eskin <max82(a)surfree.com>
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Space, the next frontier
Originally to: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
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I have been using black enameled wire shelving. I'm used to the stainless
variety (I managed restaurants for 15 years -- can't beat wire shelving), but
stainless is obnoxioiusly expensive. The local Menard's and Lowe's offers units
by Wirecraft that come in white, chrome or black. 4 18x48 shelves with 74"
posts runs around $80, and is easy to configure and assemble and will hold a
hell of a lot (375lbs per shelf) without sagging. You can also get casters and
individual components to customize and installation. I've got one with an entire
bottom shelf of Kaypros and an IBM portable, a second shelf chock full o'
Macs, a third shelf piled high with old Kilobauds, Bytes, and Dr. Dobbs; and
the top shelf holds a bunch of Commies and a couple of portable Tandys.
Absolutely no sign of stress. Plus, they look nice. Even my wife approved.
Paul
On Thu, 20 May 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
Paul Braun
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themselves, just shorter topping out at 8 feet).
Here is a mini review and
request for comments and suggestions.
No Name Kmart brand
Yuck, with very little weight this shelf unit is in serious trouble.
I have a bunch of these in use for newspapers, letters, etc. They refuse
to stay assembled in most cases.
Generic Metal
These have each corner made out of a metal V, and the shelves etc. all
fasten to that via bolts. Stronger than it looks, and the mainstay of most
serious shelf efforts.
I used to have one of these, and while it stayed intact, the metal shelf
sagged in the middle so it looked more like a hammock. This made it rather
difficult to stack anything.
Whatever happened to wood/plywood? It is fairly cheap, since you don't
really need top quality wood, and you can easily shape it to any
length/width you want.
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
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4:45 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
On Fri, 21 May 1999, Paul Braun wrote:
I have been using black enameled wire shelving.
I'm used to the
stainless variety (I managed restaurants for 15 years -- can't beat
wire shelving), but stainless is obnoxioiusly expensive. The local
Menard's and Lowe's offers units by Wirecraft that come in white,
chrome or black. 4 18x48 shelves with 74" posts runs around $80, and
That's a great deal.
is easy to configure and assemble and will hold a hell
of a lot
(375lbs per shelf) without sagging. You can also get casters and
individual components to customize and installation. I've got one with
an entire bottom shelf of Kaypros and an IBM portable, a second shelf
chock full o' Macs, a third shelf piled high with old Kilobauds,
Bytes, and Dr. Dobbs; and the top shelf holds a bunch of Commies and a
couple of portable Tandys. Absolutely no sign of stress. Plus, they
look nice. Even my wife approved.
I can attest to their strength and sturdiness. On one rack I must've had
over 1000 pounds of crap and it showed no signs of failing, although
rocking it back and forth was a little scary. I had several IMSAI's, a
Sol 20, dual 8" disk drive chassis, terminals, PCs, and other crap.
I'll reiterate that the wire mesh racks are a great choice if they can be
found for cheap, and I agree they look good.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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6:36 p.m.
New subject: Space, the next frontier
Paul Braun wrote:
I have been using black enameled wire shelving. I'm used to the stainless
variety (I managed restaurants for 15 years -- can't beat wire shelving), but
stainless is obnoxioiusly expensive. The local Menard's and Lowe's offers units
by Wirecraft that come in white, chrome or black. 4 18x48 shelves with 74"
posts runs around $80, and is easy to configure and assemble and will hold a
hell of a lot (375lbs per shelf) without sagging. You can also get casters and
I sure agree with this!!! I have one 24" x 48" in stainless with three
shelves that I have been using for quite a few years. This one came from an
auction at Lobo drives when they closed down, and is loaded mainly with
luggables (Kaypro, Osborne, Corona, Compaq, etc.) and there is no sign of
sag.
However I also have a number of Gorilla shelves, and I like them a lot
although the wood is only about 3/8" - 1/2" thick. This creates the problem
of sag, but with care in arranging stuff on the shelves, they work pretty
good and are very fast to put up.
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