2 Apr
2021
2 Apr
'21
4:53 p.m.
?Google?Shopping?shows?the?PA2067?MMJ?die?available?at?3?online?stores.?Digi-Key?lists?it?too.
What?are?the?pros?and?cons?of?the?die?and?a?PA8000?CrimpALL,?versus?the?IEC…
7 Apr
7 Apr
3:02 p.m.
I have the IEC version. It seems to work fine for me.
Pat
On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 2:45 PM Jonathan Stone via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Google Shopping shows the PA2067 MMJ die available at 3 online stores. Digi-Key lists it
too.
What are the pros and cons of the die and a PA8000 CrimpALL, versus the IEC tool (
https://iec.net/product/modular-crimp-tool-for-rj11-dec-mmj-connectors/
) ? If one either already has an RJ45 crimp tool; or doesn't have any crimping tool
at all?
3:43 p.m.
On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 9:53 AM Jonathan Stone <kiwi_jonathan at yahoo.com> wrote:
Google Shopping shows the PA2067 MMJ die available at 3 online stores. Digi-Key lists it
too.
What are the pros and cons of the die and a PA8000 CrimpALL, versus the IEC tool (
https://iec.net/product/modular-crimp-tool-for-rj11-dec-mmj-connectors/) ? If one either
already has an RJ45 crimp tool; or doesn't have any crimping tool at all?
I can't answer the question about how the Paladin / Greenlee / Tempo
Communications PA8000 CrimpALL + PA2067 MMJ die compares to other
crimping tools. I don't have any first hand comparison knowledge.
As far as availability of the PA2067 dies, Mouser and DigiKey say
Obsolete and none in stock. The PA8035 (PA8000 with PA2067) that I
have I bought from Online Components. They now show none in stock for
both the PA8035 and PA2067.
While there might be some of these floating around in inventory
somewhere, I'm skeptical that most that show up in search results for
online stores are actually available. Most likely if an order was
placed it would be canceled after a few days when the seller realizes
they have none in stock and they can no longer order any from the
manufacturer.
6:08 p.m.
On 4/7/2021 10:43 AM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 9:53 AM Jonathan Stone
<kiwi_jonathan at yahoo.com> wrote:
I have two of the Paladin Crimpall handles.? I keep a DEC MMJ die (PA2067) in one and the
other gets swapped with RJ45 and RJ11/12 as needed.? They work well and the ratchet handle
allows a good amount of crimp pressure.
Google Shopping shows the PA2067 MMJ die
available at 3 online stores. Digi-Key lists it too.
What are the pros and cons of the die and a PA8000 CrimpALL, versus the IEC tool (
https://iec.net/product/modular-crimp-tool-for-rj11-dec-mmj-connectors/) ? If one either
already has an RJ45 crimp tool; or doesn't have any crimping tool at all?
I
can't answer the question about how the Paladin / Greenlee / Tempo
Communications PA8000 CrimpALL + PA2067 MMJ die compares to other
crimping tools. I don't have any first hand comparison knowledge. As far as availability of the PA2067 dies, Mouser and
DigiKey say
Obsolete and none in stock. The PA8035 (PA8000 with PA2067) that I
have I bought from Online Components. They now show none in stock for
both the PA8035 and PA2067.
While there might be some of these floating around in inventory
somewhere, I'm skeptical that most that show up in search results for
online stores are actually available. Most likely if an order was
placed it would be canceled after a few days when the seller realizes
they have none in stock and they can no longer order any from the
manufacturer.
There are lots of sources for the crimper handles.? Look for the PA1300 and PA8000 as
typical examples.? But the dies are fading.? As Glen mentions, the hits you get for the
PA2067 from Google are all false hits.? The most promising one I found was Gordon
Electronics, but I confirmed with a phone call this morning that it is a non-stock item
that they have to order from the factory - so no go there.? I have looked at the GreenLee
and Tempo web sites and there is very little mentioned.? Tempo has a "Discontinued
Items" section and you will find the crimper handles and dies listed. I don't
know when they went out of production.? My assumption is that Paladin was bought by
Greenlee and then sold to Tempo as it seems Tempo is the most recent source.? In any case,
the DEC MMJ die is virtually extinct in the wild and the others seem to be going away
also.
I've ordered the IEC crimper to see what it's like and to have a backup in case
something happens to my Paladin.? Hopefully, it is a good tool and IEC keeps it in
production as it seems to be the only source now.
--
John H. Reinhardt
8 Apr
8 Apr
2:37 a.m.
I've got a used Paladin ratcheting crimper handle with a new 2067 die. Works great on
my DEC MMJ connectors. So I don't need any of these very similar looking kits that
include dies that are labelled RJ11 DEC, DEC RJ11 MMJ, or similar designations.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ratcheting-Crimper-for-RJ-Style-Modular-Plugs-6-St…
$79.50 used free ship in US
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Box-Data-Voice-Kit-LAN-Pro-Tester-FT115A-Imp…
$150 "new" free ship in US. Look at the picture of the data sheet and
you'll see one of the dies is MMJ.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tele-Coax-1586-Tool-Kit-Weidmuller-Inc-Paladin-Too…
$150 plus shipping - one of the end views of the dies looks exactly like my 2067 RJ11
DEC-MMJ die set
eBay has multiple listings of "Eclipse 500-031" kit. One of the dies in the kit
is labelled RJ-11 DEC. The side view of that die looks like my 2067 die, but that
doesn't guarantee it's the same or any good. And these kits seem to also be
available new from lots of places, though I also see signs that some Eclipse crimper sets
and individual handles and dies are discontinued. An eBay search for "ECLIPSE
500-031" finds many new for $183.59 (free shipping) and up.
Searching for "DEC RJ11" on eBay finds a bunch of different looking crimpers,
many of which look like they can handle DEC RJ11 connectors with the offset latch (DEC
MMJ). But most of these look to be of lower quality. Watch out as there are also plenty
of crimpers turned up by that search that definitely won't handle the offset latch of
MMJ connectors.
-- Ron Pool
3:37 a.m.
I found some more DEC MMJ crimpers that look pretty decent out there on eBay, but
they're not well labelled.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ideal-30-558-Crimp-Die-for-RJ-11-MJ-Modular-Plug-C…
$15 plus shipping new (2 avail) MMJ die for ideal crimp frame 30-506.
There are new and used Ideal 30-506 frames on eBay for reasonable prices. Search for
"Ideal 30-506".
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ideal-Twisted-Pair-Kit-33-650-w-Plugs-and-30-506-3…
$55 plus shipping used kit (2 avail) including above die, other dies, and 30-506 crimp
frame plus cable cutter and stripper.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IDEAL-TWISTED-PAIR-KIT-45-074/301901645725 $55 free ship in US
used Ideal kit (without case) similar to above including DEC MMJ and other dies and tools,
but of a different vintage
And it could be worth searching for Crimpmaster instead of Ideal. There are lots of used
Ideal Crimpmaster frames with dies, but not all of them include Ideal in the description.
Maybe some of them are DEC RJ-11 MMJ.
-- Ron Pool
3:21 p.m.
On 4/7/2021 10:37 PM, Ron Pool via cctalk wrote:
I found some more DEC MMJ crimpers that look pretty
decent out there on eBay, but they're not well labelled.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ideal-30-558-Crimp-Die-for-RJ-11-MJ-Modular-Plug-C…
$15 plus shipping new (2 avail) MMJ die for ideal crimp frame 30-506.
There are new and used Ideal 30-506 frames on eBay for reasonable prices. Search for
"Ideal 30-506".
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ideal-Twisted-Pair-Kit-33-650-w-Plugs-and-30-506-3…
$55 plus shipping used kit (2 avail) including above die, other dies, and 30-506 crimp
frame plus cable cutter and stripper.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IDEAL-TWISTED-PAIR-KIT-45-074/301901645725 $55 free ship in US
used Ideal kit (without case) similar to above including DEC MMJ and other dies and tools,
but of a different vintage
And it could be worth searching for Crimpmaster instead of Ideal. There are lots of used
Ideal Crimpmaster frames with dies, but not all of them include Ideal in the description.
Maybe some of them are DEC RJ-11 MMJ.
-- Ron Pool
The Ideal Crimpmaster tool looks a lot like the Paladin / Greenlee / Tempo tool.?
It may be that the Ideal dies will fit.
<https://www.idealind.com/shop/30-506.html>
A search of the Ideal site finds no mention of the 30-558 RJ11 MJ crimp die though so
perhaps it's out of production there as well. If you find one and want it, get it as
who knows if they will be available again.
--
John H. Reinhardt
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