28 Jun
2006
28 Jun
'06
1:23 a.m.
I think maybe one of the current
sparc versions
of solaris may drop support of the Ultra 2, so solaris 9 might be a
better bet.
Solaris 10 drops Sun4m support (8? (maybe 9) dropped 4c and 4d support)
Solaris 9 is (comparing apples to oranges, x86 to SPARC) noticably faster than 10
(10 on x86-633, 9 on U1 200E).
I think that Sun only makes available the current release of Solaris :-((((
not very much use to the classic community (be nice if they had older SPARCcompilers,
too)
but I guess (a) they want to show off the latest and greatest technology and (b) it
doesn't hurt if it
stimulates hardware sales.
xBSD is rumored to mount Solaris filesystems R/W, Linux is still experimental (I think-
haven't poked around
in there too much, just select "y" and buld from there.) although it is stable.
Any Solaris 2.x or 7+ CD should mount enought to be able to read the disk.
The Ultra2 is a nice machine- dual-processor capable etc. You can drop in a UPA
framebuffer to get graphics easily
(Creator class graphics are quite cheap and 24-bit).
29 Jun
29 Jun
2:45 a.m.
Scott Quinn wrote:
Solaris 9 is (comparing apples to oranges, x86 to SPARC) noticably faster than 10
(10 on x86-633, 9 on U1 200E).
That's a pretty useless comparison :-) You're not comparing apples to
oranges, you're comparing hammers to fish.
I think that Sun only makes available the current
release of Solaris :-((((
No, you can download ISO images for older releases; dig harder.
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5:40 a.m.
On 6/29/06, Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> wrote:
I am only able to find solaris 8 (x86 and sparc)...that's the most vintage..
It'd be great if we have a community download from solaris 2.7 all the
way down to SunOS 4 and below!! :-)
I think that Sun only makes available the current
release of Solaris :-((((
No, you can download ISO images for older releases; dig harder. 
10:21 a.m.
jim stephens wrote:
Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
I'm interested to know why there's a SPARCServer 1000 board on there with a
BIN of over $300US - I don't suppose those machines turn up *that* often, but
I thought the system boards were just SPARC4's or 5's with several CPU boards
fitted...
I've got an Ultra1 that's off to EBay soon, just in case anyone was interested
beforehand. Fairly standard framebuffer as I recall, but a decent amount of
memory for the machine. (I was going to use to to replace the desktop PC at
one point, but lack of decent audio put me off in the end)
cheers
Jules
I am only able to find solaris 8 (x86 and sparc)...that's the most
vintage..
There is a nice Solaris 2.7 sparc server on Epay right now 
10:02 a.m.
On 6/29/06, Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I'm interested to know why there's a
SPARCServer 1000 board on there with a
BIN of over $300US - I don't suppose those machines turn up *that* often, but
I thought the system boards were just SPARC4's or 5's with several CPU boards
fitted...
ISTR the SPARCserver 1000 is a sun4d machine. Internally, it's
nothing like a SPARC 5.
I used to take care of one at Lucent, but I never had to open the box
- it just ran and
ran and ran. I wouldn't mind one, except I think it has a low
Computron/KwH ratio.
For the juice one consumes, I'd rather run a 3000 - pedestal case,
room for several
internal SCA drives, and you can really load it up with CPUs and memory.
Read about a guy on the suns-at-home list a while back that got a 3000
from his former employer for like 100 euros! I'd
take that deal!
Dunno if I'd spring for $300 for a SS1000
if I had to pay shipping on top of that - they are *tanks*. Might be
an OK price at Dayton.
-ethan
11:27 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
On 6/29/06, Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at
yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
ISTR the SPARCserver 1000 is a sun4d machine. Internally, it's
nothing like a SPARC 5.
Fair enough - I'm sure the local sysadmin said it was basically just a
headless version of one of their other machines, but I must be misremembering
the SPARC 5 bit :)
Dunno if I'd spring for $300 for a SS1000
if I had to pay shipping on top of that - they are *tanks*. Might be
an OK price at Dayton.
I've been putting off picking up a couple from someone as the boat-anchor
alarm bells were ringing :-) Maybe it is worth my while to go get them even if
they only realistically sell for a fraction of that price. I suppose Sun fans
like to use them for their intended purpose (for which they'll do a capable
job) - and unlike the desktop workstations they just don't turn up that often.
cheers
Jules
9:05 a.m.
Wai-Sun Chia wrote:
On 6/29/06, Jim Leonard <trixter at
oldskool.org> wrote:
I am only able to find solaris 8 (x86 and sparc)...that's the most
vintage..
It'd be great if we have a community download from solaris 2.7 all the
way down to SunOS 4 and below!! :-)
My question is, why? Not all the releases are worth running. Only the
decent milestones are worth installing. Solaris 2.5.1 IIRC is the last
version to run on sparc pizza boxes (5/10/20s) and possibly earier;
Solaris 9 is the last version to run on all 64-bit Ultras; Solaris 10 is
very impressive from a networking and virtualization standpoint (plus
ZFS kicks some serious ass) and is what you should be running if at all
possible. All other versions can hit the road for all I care (unless
you need BSD SunOS 4.x for 1980s hardware).
--
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Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/
Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
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I think that Sun only makes available the current
release of Solaris
:-((((
No, you can download ISO images for older releases; dig harder. 
9:48 a.m.
My question is, why? Not all the releases are worth running. Only the
decent milestones are worth installing. Solaris 2.5.1 IIRC is the last
version to run on sparc pizza boxes (5/10/20s) and possibly earier;
Solaris 9 runs quite happily on sparc pizza boxes with decent memory.
I think it runs all sun4m systems. I have not compared speed with
2.5.1. But Solaris 9 is still supported with patches and security
releases etc.
Dan
9:56 a.m.
On 6/29/06, Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> wrote:
My question is, why? Not all the releases are worth
running. Only the
decent milestones are worth installing. Solaris 2.5.1 IIRC is the last
version to run on sparc pizza boxes (5/10/20s) and possibly earier;
sun4c (SPARC 1/1+/2) support lasted through Solaris 7
sun4m (SPARC 5/10/20/LX/Classic) support lasted through at least Solaris 8
I have Solaris 8 on my SPARC 5/110. You can still run Solaris 7 on a
SPARC 2, but with memory being an issue, I don't know if you'd want
to. I think the Solaris 7/Solaris 8
transition was right about the time I upgraded from a SPARC 2 to a
SPARC 5 (once I
could get a SPARC 5 for under $100). I'll be retiring the SPARC 5 in
favor of an Ultra when I get home. There's a lot more Linux work than
Solaris work these days, but I gotta stay up to date and flexible for
whatever opportunities come down the pike.
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/solaris/versions/
http://www.clock.org/~fair/computers/suns.html
-ethan
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