31 Jan
2003
31 Jan
'03
3:38 p.m.
I play games on mine mostly, but want to get a HD to
do some programming on
the system. Flipping floppies is starting to get annoying.
Is there a SCSI adapter for the A500, and how hard would it be to get? The
HD expansions I've always seen don't strike me as being very reliable in
this day and age.
If you want to do programming, I'd recommend getting a newer Amiga, or doing
it under Emulation. I've had Amiga OS 3.9 running on both my A3000/25 and
on my PC, I hate to admit it, but unless you're running something that
requires the HW, emulating the Amiga on a modern system blows the real HW
away. I couldn't believe the difference. Of course I've got to admit, that
you really should have an accelerator board, if you're going to try and run
AmigaOS 3.9.
Now what I'd like to get a chance to play with is Amiga OS 4.0 on the new
hardware! I gather the OS will finally be released in March.
Zane
31 Jan
31 Jan
4:31 p.m.
I find those older scsi HD's never die (unlike the newer ones). I wanted to
try programming on the original hardware since I have the monitor for the
500. I dont need any of the newer os's just to play around with and I think
OS 4 and the hardware platform will be stillborn anyway.
Emulation is ok if you dont have the real thing to mess around with.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Any Amiga users on this list?
Is there a SCSI adapter for the A500, and how hard would it be to get?
The
HD expansions I've always seen don't strike me
as being very reliable in
this day and age.
If you want to do programming, I'd recommend getting a newer Amiga, or
doing
it under Emulation. I've had Amiga OS 3.9 running
on both my A3000/25 and
on my PC, I hate to admit it, but unless you're running something that
requires the HW, emulating the Amiga on a modern system blows the real HW
away. I couldn't believe the difference. Of course I've got to admit,
that
you really should have an accelerator board, if
you're going to try and
run
AmigaOS 3.9.
Now what I'd like to get a chance to play with is Amiga OS 4.0 on the new
hardware! I gather the OS will finally be released in March.
Zane
1 Feb
1 Feb
11:26 a.m.
I find those older scsi HD's never die (unlike the
newer ones). I wanted to
try programming on the original hardware since I have the monitor for the
500. I dont need any of the newer os's just to play around with and I think
OS 4 and the hardware platform will be stillborn anyway.
My point is that the HD expansions that I've seen for the A500, don't use
SCSI disks. That's why I question their reliability.
Zane
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11:50 a.m.
I thaught most if not all were SCSI hd's
http://www.amiga-society.de/ahwbook/scsi.html
The amiga A590 used a rare XT IDE drive but allowed use of scsi using a
different connector.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: Any Amiga users on this list?
>I find those older scsi HD's never die (unlike
the newer ones). I wanted
to
>try programming on the original hardware since I
have the monitor for the
>500. I dont need any of the newer os's just to play around with and I
think
OS 4 and the
hardware platform will be stillborn anyway.
My point is that the HD expansions that I've seen for the A500, don't use
SCSI disks. That's why I question their reliability.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | 
2 Feb
2 Feb
3:57 a.m.
--- teo zenios <teoz(a)neo.rr.com> wrote:
I thaught most if not all were SCSI hd's
http://www.amiga-society.de/ahwbook/scsi.html
The amiga A590 used a rare XT IDE drive but allowed use of scsi using a
different connector.
There was at least one expansion that was IDE - the IVS Trumpcard,
perhaps? Most were SCSI. One real problem going forward with 68K
Amiga hardware is the limitation of 4GB per *device* (not partition).
The newest ROMs, AFAIK, accomodate larger sizes, but, much like the
rest of the computing world, when they were young, drives grew vast
beyond initial expectations. Certainly in 1983-1985, drives over 4GB
were not a worry (back when DOS was struggling with 30MB partitions).
As for SCSI reliability in Amiga enclosures, I wouldn't be surprised
if a) they were dodgy drives to begin with (Connor, Kalok, etc.), or
b) there was insufficient cooling. I always did my own enclosures
for external Amiga drives (recycled older boxes were larger, but
much cheaper) and never had a problem.
-ethan
4 Feb
4 Feb
1:54 p.m.
The A590 IS a SCSI interface... SCSI-2 FAST if I remember correctly. Also
has an external SCSI connector.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: Any Amiga users on this list?
The
> I play games on mine mostly, but want to get a HD
to do some programming
on
the system.
Flipping floppies is starting to get annoying.
Is there a SCSI adapter for the A500, and how hard would it be to get? HD expansions I've always seen don't strike me
as being very reliable in
this day and age.
If you want to do programming, I'd recommend getting a newer Amiga, or
doing
it under Emulation. I've had Amiga OS 3.9 running
on both my A3000/25 and
on my PC, I hate to admit it, but unless you're running something that
requires the HW, emulating the Amiga on a modern system blows the real HW
away. I couldn't believe the difference. Of course I've got to admit,
that
you really should have an accelerator board, if
you're going to try and
run
AmigaOS 3.9.
Now what I'd like to get a chance to play with is Amiga OS 4.0 on the new
hardware! I gather the OS will finally be released in March.
Zane
5 Feb
5 Feb
5:53 a.m.
New subject: A590 (was Re: Any Amiga users on this list?)
--- Tomer Gabel <tomerg(a)bigmail.co.il> wrote:
The A590 IS a SCSI interface... SCSI-2 FAST if I
remember correctly. Also
has an external SCSI connector.
It has an XT-IDE interface (40-pin) inside _and_ a SCSI interface (50-
pin). The external connector is a DB-25 wired for SCSI like a MacPlus.
The SCSI chip inside is a Western Digital WD33C93. Given the external
connector, I don't _think_ that it's SCSI-2 Fast, but it's been a long
time since I've had to configure an Amiga SCSI chain.
Anyway... the critical info is a) SCSI & XT-IDE, b) SCSI external via
DB-25, c) WD33C93 chip to drive it all, and d) vertical clearance for
a 1.6"-tall 3.5" drive. Given all of that, you should be able to
determine compatibility with what you want to hookup.
-ethan
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