20 Jan
20 Jan
12:39 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jay West
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:50 PM
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test through new mx host
working a-ok
5:37 a.m.
New subject: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
I have a number nine VGA card vintage 1987, TMS 34010 processor, It looks
like a pepper ISA card?
The bits have failed in the ODD side of the eprom set. Does anyone have a
set of firmware?
It appears I have half of the set intact (even rom), NNIOS "3.10" hand
penciled into the labels.
Thanks,
This is the card: http://alkaspace.com/is.php?i=148222&img=video-1.jpg
JimD.
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jay West
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:50 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: test
test through new mx host
working a-ok
1:26 p.m.
New subject: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 02:37:48AM -0800, jim davis wrote:
It appears I have half of the set intact (even rom),
NNIOS "3.10" hand
penciled into the labels.
Oh man, THAT brings back mixed memories! My company had a #9 Revolution 2048x4
ISA board that we used for internal demos. The version of NNIOS for that board
(which was a TSR -- I don't think there it had any ROM?) was too slow so I
wrote a driver from scratch. That model had a Hitachi HD63484 processor, which
was decent, and the 1280x960 display sure was purdy (way better than an EA).
Can't help with ROM images though. Good luck!
John Wilson
D Bit
2:50 p.m.
New subject: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
I actually used to have one of those cards.... but it went to the bin eons ago....
J
On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:26 PM, John Wilson wrote:
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 02:37:48AM -0800, jim davis
wrote:
It appears I have half of the set intact (even
rom), NNIOS "3.10" hand
penciled into the labels.
Oh man, THAT brings back mixed memories! My company had a #9 Revolution 2048x4
ISA board that we used for internal demos. The version of NNIOS for that board
(which was a TSR -- I don't think there it had any ROM?) was too slow so I
wrote a driver from scratch. That model had a Hitachi HD63484 processor, which
was decent, and the 1280x960 display sure was purdy (way better than an EA).
Can't help with ROM images though. Good luck!
John Wilson
D Bit 
21 Jan
21 Jan
12:02 a.m.
New subject: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
I haven't even seen many for sale. I saw an "Artist" board on one of the
other auctions places, and something moderately interesting at a Trenton show. Stuff like
that is sure tough to find.
?I think the TMS34010 or whatever was used in the DEC 486 pizza box I had years ago. That
unit hooked right up to a fixed frequency monitor. I think it's the only computer/card
besides a Mac that I ever was able to use w/the million I used to have (natively that
is).
12:11 a.m.
New subject: Targa, was Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
On 01/21/2013 12:02 AM, Chris Tofu wrote:
I haven't even seen many for sale. I saw an
"Artist" board on one of
the other auctions places, and something moderately interesting at a
Trenton show. Stuff like that is sure tough to find. I think the
TMS34010 or whatever was used in the DEC 486 pizza box I had years
ago. That unit hooked right up to a fixed frequency monitor. I think
it's the only computer/card besides a Mac that I ever was able to use
w/the million I used to have (natively that is).
Related, but not exactly CAD/CAM, I have an ISA AT&T Targa board. If
anyone is hot to have this, drop me an email and make me a nice swap offer.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
12:27 a.m.
New subject: Targa, was Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
? Related, but not exactly CAD/CAM, I have an ISA AT&T Targa board.? If
anyone is hot to have this, drop me an email and make me a nice swap offer.
C: Any drivers or whatever with it? What are you looking for in trade? What about gringo
dollars?
4:43 p.m.
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On 01/21/2013 12:27 AM, Chris Tofu wrote:
Related, but not exactly CAD/CAM, I have an ISA
AT&T Targa board. If
anyone is hot to have this, drop me an email and make me a nice swap offer.
C: Any drivers or whatever with it? What are you looking for in trade? What about gringo
dollars?
I have no accessories or software, just the two-board sandwich.
Gringo dollars works for me, make me any ol' offer. One thing I know
I'm looking for is a video cable that'll make an Amiga 1000 talk to a
composite monitor like a Commodore 1701. Gots?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
22 Jan
22 Jan
4:56 a.m.
New subject: Targa, was Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
One thing I know I'm looking for is a video cable
that'll make an
Amiga 1000 talk to a composite monitor like a Commodore 1701.
Isn't that just a plain phono-to-phono cable? This FAQ suggests that the
A1000 has a colour composite output already:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/a1000faq.html
(Failing that, it also says the extremely common A520 modulator -- which
also provides a colour composite output -- will work with an A1000.)
Thanks,
--
Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> <http://offog.org/>
2:04 p.m.
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On 01/22/2013 04:56 AM, Adam Sampson wrote:
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
Duh, thanks, I'd forgotten about the standard composite output on the
RCA jack. I was thinking I needed to use the DB23 connector. Nevermind.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
One thing I know I'm looking for is a video
cable that'll make an
Amiga 1000 talk to a composite monitor like a Commodore 1701.
Isn't that just a plain phono-to-phono cable? This FAQ suggests that the
A1000 has a colour composite output already:
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/a1000faq.html
(Failing that, it also says the extremely common A520 modulator -- which
also provides a colour composite output -- will work with an A1000.) 
2:31 p.m.
New subject: Amiga 1000 (Was: Targa, was Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
Duh, thanks, I'd forgotten about the standard
composite output on the
RCA jack. I was thinking I needed to use the DB23 connector. Nevermind.
The 1000 had all sorts of neat connectors!
DB25 for serial and parallel,
Dx23 floppy
Dx23 video,
DE9 mouse
RJsomething keyboard
phono audio
phono composite
I think that thwere was even a connector to p[ower it.
3:58 p.m.
New subject: Targa, was Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
Duh, thanks, I'd forgotten about the standard
composite output on the
RCA jack. I was thinking I needed to use the DB23 connector. Nevermind.
You'd better use the db23, the amiga image deserves RGB quality.
If you have a Syncmaster 510, 710, 910 or a LG M1721A, or M1921A LCDs,
you can connect 15KHz RGB directly to the VGA input, and it works.
10:13 a.m.
New subject: Targa, was Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com
? Related, but not exactly CAD/CAM, I have an ISA
AT&T Targa board.? If
anyone is hot to have this, drop me an email and make me a nice swap offer.
C: Any drivers or whatever with it? What are you looking for in trade? What about gringo
dollars?
? I have no accessories or software, just the two-board sandwich.
Gringo dollars works for me, make me any ol' offer.? One thing I know
I'm looking for is a video cable that'll make an Amiga 1000 talk to a
composite monitor like a Commodore 1701.? Gots?
C: No video cables like that that I know of. All I have is a couple of 5 pin din to rca
and an 8 pin din to rca, probably for Atari, TI, or NEC.
12:05 p.m.
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
I have no accessories or software, just the
two-board sandwich.
Gringo dollars works for me, make me any ol' offer. One thing I know
I'm looking for is a video cable that'll make an Amiga 1000 talk to a
composite monitor like a Commodore 1701. Gots?
What connector does a 1701 have? I used composite out of an Amiga 1000
with RCA Phono to RCA phono, RCA phono to UHF? (PL-59?), RCA Phono to BNC,
and RCA phono to clip leads.
1:40 p.m.
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On 01/22/2013 12:05 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
UHF? (PL-59?.... PL-259
UHF (sic) connector was ont of the three common, BNC and RCA(aka phono) were
the other two and followed behind that with card edges.
The real oddball cases I've seen are SMA, SMC, plus XLR!
Allison
I have no accessories or software, just the
two-board sandwich.
Gringo dollars works for me, make me any ol' offer. One thing I know
I'm looking for is a video cable that'll make an Amiga 1000 talk to a
composite monitor like a Commodore 1701. Gots?
What connector does a 1701 have?
I used composite out of an Amiga 1000
with RCA Phono to RCA phono, RCA phono to UHF? (PL-59?), RCA Phono to BNC,
and RCA phono to clip leads.
2:52 p.m.
New subject: Composite video (Was: . . . from the dawn of time was
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013, Allison wrote:
UHF? (PL-59?.... PL-259
Thanks!
I couldn't remember the right name, so I questioned it
That is what I cabled my TRS80 model 1 to.
UHF (sic) connector was ont of the three common, BNC
and RCA(aka phono) were
the other two and followed behind that with card edges.
The real oddball cases I've seen are SMA, SMC, plus XLR!
When I taught in Evans10 at UCBerkeley thirty years ago, The overhead
monitors were connected to a wall jack with a connector that was about
two inches long, and about 3/8" diameter, with a center coaxial pin. I
found some at Electronics Etc. (which is now LONG gone), but never knew
what they are called.
I was SUPPOSED to go across campus, and fill out a form to check out a
cable for a few hours for each and every class session. I think that they
deliberately went with a weird connector to prevent people like me from
being able to connect. So, I made a cable. The half dozen enormous (by
early 1980s standards) monitors worked just fine from TRS80, and then
later 5150 and Amiga 1000. SUPERZAP, Trakcess, XenoXap on the
big-screens for talking about directory structures!
2:05 p.m.
New subject: Targa, was Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
On 01/22/2013 12:05 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
It has RCA jacks, but I was thinking I'd need to use the DB23 on the
Amiga...I'd forgotten about the RCA output on there. (it's in another room)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I have no accessories or software, just the
two-board sandwich.
Gringo dollars works for me, make me any ol' offer. One thing I know
I'm looking for is a video cable that'll make an Amiga 1000 talk to a
composite monitor like a Commodore 1701. Gots?
What connector does a 1701 have? I used composite out of an Amiga 1000
with RCA Phono to RCA phono, RCA phono to UHF? (PL-59?), RCA Phono to BNC,
and RCA phono to clip leads. 
21 Jan
21 Jan
4:17 p.m.
New subject: Targa, was Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
On 01/21/2013 12:02 AM, Chris Tofu wrote:
Also somewhat related, but neither CAD/CAM or an ISA card : I have a X
terminal called a 'Princeton UltraX'. It has an 80188 for I/O (serial
port, ethernet, keyboard, mouse) and runs the X server on a TMS34010.
I haven't even seen many for sale. I saw an
"Artist" board on one of
the other auctions places, and something moderately interesting at a
Trenton show. Stuff like that is sure tough to find. I think the
TMS34010 or whatever was used in the DEC 486 pizza box I had years
ago. That unit hooked right up to a fixed frequency monitor. I think
it's the only computer/card besides a Mac that I ever was able to use
w/the million I used to have (natively that is).
Related, but not exactly CAD/CAM, I have an ISA AT&T Targa board. If
anyone is hot to have this, drop me an email and make me a nice swap offer. From what I rmember there';s a daughterboard in it
stuffed with EPROMs
containing the X server and fonts
-tony
12:29 a.m.
New subject: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
On 01/20/2013 09:02 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
I haven't even seen many for sale. I saw an
"Artist" board on one of
the other auctions places, and something moderately interesting at a
Trenton show. Stuff like that is sure tough to find. I think the
TMS34010 or whatever was used in the DEC 486 pizza box I had years
ago. That unit hooked right up to a fixed frequency monitor. I think
it's the only computer/card besides a Mac that I ever was able to use
w/the million I used to have (natively that is).
Every once in awhile a TIGA card shows up on Erik Klein's VC forum.
Superlative for CAD use. Many will do basic VGA modes, but it seems to
take some careful convincing of the proud new owner that the TIGA chips
require separate drivers to be useful.
And that can be hard to find.
--Chuck
12:46 a.m.
New subject: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
Every once in awhile a TIGA card shows up on Erik Klein's VC forum. Superlative for
CAD use.? Many will do basic VGA modes, but it seems to take some careful convincing of
the proud new owner that the TIGA chips require separate drivers to be useful.
And that can be hard to find.
C: Drivers for what? Autocad? I think that's what my DEC pizza box had by the way. Yes
it emulated basic VGA.
5:22 a.m.
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
Namens Chris Tofu
Verzonden: maandag 21 januari 2013 6:46
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for
bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
Every once in awhile a TIGA card shows up on Erik Klein's VC forum.
Superlative
for CAD use.? Many will do basic VGA modes, but it
seems to take some
careful
convincing of the proud new owner that the TIGA chips
require separate
drivers
to be useful.
And that can be hard to find.
C: Drivers for what? Autocad? I think that's what my DEC pizza box had by
the
way. Yes it emulated basic VGA.
I have two and I'm open for offers.
Both Datapath one Harlequin DGC25D and the other one is a Merlin DGC08D with
Intel i860 coprocessor and manual.
For both the original cab le sets are included no drivers.
Items are located in the Netherlands.
-Rik
5:42 a.m.
New subject: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
I have two and I'm open for offers.
Both Datapath one Harlequin DGC25D and the other one is a Merlin DGC08D
with Intel i860 coprocessor and manual.
For both the original cab le sets are included no drivers.
Items are located in the Netherlands.
-Rik
And I found some drivers at the site of Datapath
http://www.datapath.co.uk/support/driver-downloads/past-products-downloads/i
tem/157-TIGA-based-graphics-card-drivers
-Rik
9:50 a.m.
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> I have two and I'm open for offers.
> Both Datapath one Harlequin DGC25D and the other one is a Merlin
> DGC08D with Intel i860 coprocessor and manual.
> For both the original cab le sets are included no drivers.
> Items are located in the Netherlands.
>
Placed some pics of the boards on www.flickr.com/hp-fix
-Rik
9:11 a.m.
New subject: Truevision - Re: CAD/CAM boards from the dawn of time was Re: Looking for bits for Number nine pepper ISA 1987 video card
On 21/01/13 12:02 AM, Chris Tofu wrote:
I haven't even seen many for sale. I saw an
"Artist" board on one of the other auctions places, and something moderately
interesting at a Trenton show. Stuff like that is sure tough to find.
I think the TMS34010 or whatever was used in the DEC 486 pizza box I had years ago.
That unit hooked right up to a fixed frequency monitor. I think it's the only
computer/card besides a Mac that I ever was able to use w/the million I used to have
(natively that is).
I still own the Targa's big brother - the Truevision NuVista+ board -
one of the first to support Colour QuickDraw in all bitdepths up to
24/32; did video overlaying with 1 bit alpha, and video capture. NuBus
for Mac II series. Had a TI DSP on it but I was never able to find the
developer tools for that.
--Toby
20 Jan
20 Jan
7:59 a.m.
New subject: migration pretty much complete
That's just freaking awesome :)
The archives appear to be up as well. There seems to be an older period of time that is
missing from the re-generated archives (1997 and thereabouts). They are there 'behind
the scenes' but just not displaying in the web interface. Other years appear fine.
I've yet to test the search function that AEK mentioned. Due to time-constraints I
need to put those on the back burner for a bit and move on to migrating other client
machines. Once that's done I'd appreciate a nudge to remind me to get back to
that. If anyone notices any major issues, please let me know asap.
And now... back to out regularly scheduled programming :)
J
On Jan 19, 2013, at 11:39 PM, jim davis wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jay West
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:50 PM
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test through new mx host
working a-ok
9:56 a.m.
New subject: migration pretty much complete
Well done, man! Thank a lot :)
---
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<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:59 AM
Subject: migration pretty much complete
That's just freaking awesome :)
The archives appear to be up as well. There seems to be an older period of
time that is missing from the re-generated archives (1997 and
thereabouts). They are there 'behind the scenes' but just not displaying
in the web interface. Other years appear fine. I've yet to test the search
function that AEK mentioned. Due to time-constraints I need to put those
on the back burner for a bit and move on to migrating other client
machines. Once that's done I'd appreciate a nudge to remind me to get back
to that. If anyone notices any major issues, please let me know asap.
And now... back to out regularly scheduled programming :)
J
On Jan 19, 2013, at 11:39 PM, jim davis wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jay West
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:50 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: test
test through new mx host
working a-ok
3 p.m.
New subject: migration pretty much complete
On 01/20/2013 07:59 AM, Jay West wrote:
That's just freaking awesome :)
Yes. :-)
The archives appear to be up as well. There seems to
be an older
period of time that is missing from the re-generated archives (1997
and thereabouts). They are there 'behind the scenes' but just not
displaying in the web interface. Other years appear fine. I've yet to
test the search function that AEK mentioned. Due to time-constraints
I need to put those on the back burner for a bit and move on to
migrating other client machines. Once that's done I'd appreciate a
nudge to remind me to get back to that. If anyone notices any major
issues, please let me know asap.
Much awesomeness.
And now... back to out regularly scheduled programming
:)
Thank you for your efforts!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
3:34 p.m.
New subject: migration pretty much complete
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
Namens Jay West
Verzonden: zondag 20 januari 2013 14:00
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: migration pretty much complete
That's just freaking awesome :)
The archives appear to be up as well. There seems to be an older period of
time
that is missing from the re-generated archives (1997
and thereabouts).
They are
there 'behind the scenes' but just not
displaying in the web interface.
Other years
appear fine. I've yet to test the search function
that AEK mentioned. Due
to
time-constraints I need to put those on the back
burner for a bit and move
on to
migrating other client machines. Once that's done
I'd appreciate a nudge
to
remind me to get back to that. If anyone notices any
major issues, please
let me
know asap.
And now... back to out regularly scheduled programming :)
J
On Jan 19, 2013, at 11:39 PM, jim davis wrote:
Great work..
Thanks,
-Rik
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jay West
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:50 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: test
test through new mx host
working a-ok
3:56 p.m.
New subject: migration pretty much complete
thank you for your efforts Jay, I appreciate moving stuff around is
time-consuming and arduous activity.
We noticed a small difference if you or someone could checkout please:
This link:
http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2009-January/062342.html
points to a different post than the google-cache:
cache:http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2009-January/062342.html
I would have hoped(expected) the MSG identifiers (062342) would not
move around, since there will be inbound links from various places.
I am searching for IBM Displaywriter material (I hope to find one
soon), and was a little surprised the historical message IDs seemed to
have changed?
22 Jan
22 Jan
7:10 p.m.
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William Donzelli wrote:
thank you for
your efforts Jay, I appreciate moving stuff around is
time-consuming and arduous activity.
As do I. Thank you for making everything possible.
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