25 May
2016
25 May
'16
10:01 a.m.
From: Jon Elson
the /20 was intended for very specific uses in 360
shops, and maybe as
an entry-level "foot in the door" to move totally tab card shops into
the 360 family. The only /20s I ever saw were used as offline spool
printers and card readers in large 360 shops.
I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service bureau
machine; it had (IIRC) a card reader/punch, 4 tape drives, and a 4301
printer. When I got there, they had just gotten in a System 3 (two
single-platter hard drives, a 4301 printer, and I'm not sure what else) to
replace it.
Noel
25 May
25 May
10:06 a.m.
On 05/25/2016 12:01 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I'm guessing, maybe, that would be a 1403 printer? There
were 1403 and 1443 printers.
The only language supported on the 360/20 was RPG. For a
mostly tab card type of operation, you could actually do a
lot in RPG. Otherwise, you had to write in machine language
and get it assembled on another system.
Jon
From: Jon
Elson
the /20 was intended for very specific uses in
360 shops, and maybe as
an entry-level "foot in the door" to move totally tab card shops into
the 360 family. The only /20s I ever saw were used as offline spool
printers and card readers in large 360 shops.
I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service bureau
machine; it had (IIRC) a card reader/punch, 4 tape drives, and a 4301
printer. When I got there, they had just gotten in a System 3 (two
single-platter hard drives, a 4301 printer, and I'm not sure what else) to
replace it.
10:11 a.m.
On 05/25/2016 10:06 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
The only language supported on the 360/20 was RPG.
For a mostly tab
card type of operation, you could actually do a lot in RPG.
Otherwise, you had to write in machine language and get it assembled
on another system.
My recollection was that there was a native assembler for the 20; it did
not, IIRC, include such goodies as macros, but was sufficient to write
small programs.
--Chuck
10:39 a.m.
On 05/25/2016 12:11 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 05/25/2016 10:06 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
OK, makes sense, but I didn't find any doc about it when I
did some searching a while ago.
Jon
The only language supported on the 360/20 was
RPG. For a mostly tab
card type of operation, you could actually do a lot in RPG.
Otherwise, you had to write in machine language and get it assembled
on another system.
My recollection was that there was a native assembler for the
20; it did
not, IIRC, include such goodies as macros, but was sufficient to write
small programs.
12:51 p.m.
I have a related question. All of the S/260s that I've seen had 2400
series tape drives. But my "green card" makes reference to 729 drives
as well. Does anyone recall them being installed on a S/360 system?
--Chuck
1:17 p.m.
On 5/25/2016 12:51 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I have a related question. All of the S/260s that
I've seen had 2400
series tape drives. But my "green card" makes reference to 729 drives
as well. Does anyone recall them being installed on a S/360 system?
--Chuck
Our 360/50 had 2400 drives. Read both 7 and 9 track on one. I think
the subsystem was structured similar to the 3400 which had a controller
box that powered and ran the drives. I'm not sure what the 2400 system
number was, but the 3400 series was a 3803, I think with the power
supply and channel, etc.
thanks
Jim
6:09 p.m.
On 05/25/2016 02:51 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
I have a related question. All of the S/260s that
I've seen had 2400
series tape drives. But my "green card" makes reference to 729 drives
as well. Does anyone recall them being installed on a S/360 system?
--Chuck
Well, the early 2400 tape drives had a VERY simple
interface. The read amps delivered raw analog signals to
the controller. The write amps took 9 digital signals from
the controller. There were also forward, reverse, rewind,
write gate and EOT/BOT sensors, and unit select. VERY
simple interface at the VERY lowest possible level.
I can easily imagine the 729 series of drives may have had a
very similar interface. So, it may be possible that these
could be interchanged fairly easily.
Jon
10:13 a.m.
The only language supported on the 360/20 was RPG. For a mostly tab card
type of operation, you could actually do a lot in RPG. Otherwise, you had
to write in machine language and get it assembled on another system.
I never used a /20, but I did a lot RPG/II on a model /40. It is in fact one
of my favourites...
(I can hear people laughing!). For a customer, I wrote a RPG interpretor, so
he could use the in-house RPG expertise to set up validation routines for
the data coming into the shop. The interpretor was written in Turbo Pascal
for Windows 1.50. The output was a DLL, which was then used in a nice media
conversion program (InterMedia)
/Nico
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10:19 a.m.
On 2016-05-25 2:06 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 05/25/2016 12:01 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I'm guessing, maybe, that would be a 1403 printer? There were 1403
and 1443 printers.
The only language supported on the 360/20 was RPG. For a mostly tab
card type of operation, you could actually do a lot in RPG. Otherwise,
you had to write in machine language and get it assembled on another
system.
Jon
RPG was also a very popular language on S/3, S/32, S/34, S/36, S/38 and
AS/400 however as time went by it changed a lot and I am told the RPG on
the AS/400 bears little resemblance to the original. The closest I even
got to RPG was when writing code for S/36 we needed a test file and
looked at DFU as a means of creating one, we scrapped that idea when we
found we needed to use RPG specs to describe the file, and modified a
COBOL program one of my coworkers had to create the file.
Paul.
From: Jon
Elson
the /20 was intended for very specific uses in
360 shops, and
maybe as
an entry-level "foot in the door" to
move totally tab card
shops into
the 360 family. The only /20s I ever saw were
used as offline
spool
printers and card readers in large 360 shops.
I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main
service bureau
machine; it had (IIRC) a card reader/punch, 4 tape drives, and a 4301
printer. When I got there, they had just gotten in a System 3 (two
single-platter hard drives, a 4301 printer, and I'm not sure what
else) to
replace it.
10:48 a.m.
I'm guessing, maybe, that would be a 1403 printer?
There were 1403 and 1443
printers.
There was also a 1404 printer, but I do not think many places had them.
Does anyone know what became of the two S/360 model 20 systems that
came out of Sweden a year or two ago? They were fairly complete with
MFCMs and tape units. My bid for one did not get accepted, and I do
not know who the winner(s) were.
--
Will
3:34 p.m.
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:48 AM, William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote:
Well I know LCM has at least one working... and if there was any
bidding involved they would have won by definition! But I don't know
if that's where they got it or not.
I hadn't heard about these machines; I would have been interested of course.
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I'm
guessing, maybe, that would be a 1403 printer? There were 1403 and 1443
printers.
There was also a 1404 printer, but I do not think many places had them.
Does anyone know what became of the two S/360 model 20 systems that
came out of Sweden a year or two ago? They were fairly complete with
MFCMs and tape units. My bid for one did not get accepted, and I do
not know who the winner(s) were.
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