On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote: You mean like the one on this page? http://www.darigold.com/heritage.asp I'm not EVEN going into what my connection with it is, but they do still maintain one old milk truck (similar but not identical to the one on that page). They used to have information on their actual truck on the page, but it seems to have been taken down recently. They even have a genuine classic milkman to drive it in parades and at other promotional events. ok r.

My choice would be the Volvo XC: http://new.volvocars.com/models/xc/images/cc_gallery_ext5_lrg.jpg Converted to a Spectrum Saloon Car. (That's Sedan in the US) http://members.tripod.com/chris_bishop_ca/img207.gif John A. Oops, doin' that OT thing.

Jochen Kunz wrote: No ... what a collector really needs is not to live on the third floor.:) -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: I'm a mainframe collector. If I have parts of my collection on the second floor of the building in which I live, and there isn't an elevator, it will suck. I have several machines which would crush a minivan. Forklifts aren't really worth the effort. Give me a truck with a liftgate and a 20T GVW, and I'll be a happy man. Peace... Sridhar

I have a three year old Grand Caravan, and other than the door catch, it is quite nice for moving racks around. Two DEC 6 footers fit nicely. I once managed to cram two KS10s in it at one time. The real hauler is a simple (but not cheapie) flatbed trailer and a hitch. Most cars can tow at least 1500 pounds, so if you get (or rent) a nice flatbed, you can get 800-odd pounds off your rear axle with even a medium sedan. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

Why stop the discussion, you're right: a 7.5 ton (metric tons, as per old class II driving license in Germany) car like a Mercedes-Benz 813 or 814 is a good thing. In ancient times, I owned half of a little company owning such a truck. The largest freight (in terms of computers) it ever had to take besides company stuff was a pair of VAX8600s plus two HSC50s and a couple of four-high RA disk closets (the SA482, IIRC). Yes, we used a forklift to get that stuff onto the truck. And it was something like half loaded with that. Today, I own a Passat Variant (1991 model). It can take a single 19" rack if you can tilt it to load, but some of the rack will stick out at the back (tested, that's where my PDP-11/34A now lives). Way back in the 70s, when I was in Nebraska for a visit, I noticed that what we call the "Passat" was known as the "Dasher" in the States. -- Andreas Freiherr Vishay Semiconductor GmbH, Heilbronn, Germany http://www.vishay.com