2 Feb
2002
2 Feb
'02
7:43 a.m.
On February 2, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Here's a question for you SUn people - if I have a
HP/Seagate ST19171WC SCA
hard drive in my server and found some drives that are Sun/Seagate ST19171WC
SCA drives, is there anything different int he Sun, ie they should work in
my HP server despite them being made for Sun by Seagate right? Just checking
and I'm guessing that they are exactly the same just labeled for the OEM by
Seagate and the firmware showing either HP or Sun when they show up in
various HD utilities.
Thanks in advance for the help, I'm just making sure I didn't do too much
acid in the 60's (no wait I was only 13 in 69...that doesn't work)
That whole "standard interfaces" thing makes this easy...just plug
it in and all should be well.
Some vendors (Auspex comes to mind) use custom firmware but I've
never seen it make the drive incompatible with something else that
speaks standard SCSI.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
2 Feb
2 Feb
8:14 a.m.
That's basically what I was wanting to validate - I got 4 Sun badged Seagte
ST19171WC drives, just like my HP badged Seagate ST19171WCs and they look
alike, etc. I just received them and they are apparently worn out as I get a
ton of viration withthem that makes my Netserver cablinet buzz, and I don't
think they spin tot he full7200 rpm so they never want to got hrough
format/init. They are seen in the controller's BIOS but things just aren't
right so I'm guessing bad spin up rather than conflict of firmware.
basically I've never worked with Suns so I wanted to make sure thet Sun
din't have Seagate make them different to be of a proprietary nature. The
place I got them from is going to ship 4 different ones on Monday.
=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
=> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:43 PM
=> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> Subject: Re: SUN SCSI vs non-SUN?
=>
=>
=> On February 2, Russ Blakeman wrote:
=> > Here's a question for you SUn people - if I have a HP/Seagate
=> ST19171WC SCA
=> > hard drive in my server and found some drives that are
=> Sun/Seagate ST19171WC
=> > SCA drives, is there anything different int he Sun, ie they
=> should work in
=> > my HP server despite them being made for Sun by Seagate right?
=> Just checking
=> > and I'm guessing that they are exactly the same just labeled
=> for the OEM by
=> > Seagate and the firmware showing either HP or Sun when they show up in
=> > various HD utilities.
=> >
=> > Thanks in advance for the help, I'm just making sure I didn't
=> do too much
=> > acid in the 60's (no wait I was only 13 in 69...that doesn't work)
=>
=> That whole "standard interfaces" thing makes this easy...just plug
=> it in and all should be well.
=>
=> Some vendors (Auspex comes to mind) use custom firmware but I've
=> never seen it make the drive incompatible with something else that
=> speaks standard SCSI.
=>
=> -Dave
=>
=> --
=> Dave McGuire
=> St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
=>
=>
9:44 a.m.
Also, if it came out of a sun, it will be formatted to a 512 byte blocksize....
At 01:14 PM 2/2/02 -0600, you wrote:
That's basically what I was wanting to validate - I
got 4 Sun badged Seagte
ST19171WC drives, just like my HP badged Seagate ST19171WCs and they look
alike, etc. I just received them and they are apparently worn out as I get a
ton of viration withthem that makes my Netserver cablinet buzz, and I don't
think they spin tot he full7200 rpm so they never want to got hrough
format/init. They are seen in the controller's BIOS but things just aren't
right so I'm guessing bad spin up rather than conflict of firmware.
basically I've never worked with Suns so I wanted to make sure thet Sun
din't have Seagate make them different to be of a proprietary nature. The
place I got them from is going to ship 4 different ones on Monday.
=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
=> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:43 PM
=> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> Subject: Re: SUN SCSI vs non-SUN?
=>
=>
=> On February 2, Russ Blakeman wrote:
=> > Here's a question for you SUn people - if I have a HP/Seagate
=> ST19171WC SCA
=> > hard drive in my server and found some drives that are
=> Sun/Seagate ST19171WC
=> > SCA drives, is there anything different int he Sun, ie they
=> should work in
=> > my HP server despite them being made for Sun by Seagate right?
=> Just checking
=> > and I'm guessing that they are exactly the same just labeled
=> for the OEM by
=> > Seagate and the firmware showing either HP or Sun when they show up in
=> > various HD utilities.
=> >
=> > Thanks in advance for the help, I'm just making sure I didn't
=> do too much
=> > acid in the 60's (no wait I was only 13 in 69...that doesn't work)
=>
=> That whole "standard interfaces" thing makes this easy...just plug
=> it in and all should be well.
=>
=> Some vendors (Auspex comes to mind) use custom firmware but I've
=> never seen it make the drive incompatible with something else that
=> speaks standard SCSI.
=>
=> -Dave
=>
=> --
=> Dave McGuire
=> St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
=>
=>
12:06 p.m.
--- Russ Blakeman <rhblakeman(a)kih.net> wrote:
That's basically what I was wanting to validate -
I got 4 Sun badged
Seagate ST19171WC drives... I wanted to make sure thet Sun
din't have Seagate make them different to be of a proprietary nature. The
place I got them from is going to ship 4 different ones on Monday.
AFAIK, while a Sun drive may have a drive ident string that mentions
"Sun" in one way or another (like the Seagate ST1488s that tell you they
are SUN424 drives), it's only important for ancient Sun formatting
software to figure out how to slice and dice the drives. Back in those
days, you had to have a proper entry in the "format.dat" file, and a
lot of effort went into maintaining those if you chose to buy non-Sun
drives (I went through it trying to put Sun0S 4.1.x on my first SPARC1
when I got a 1.8GB Quantum). I think the reason the old formatter
needed a format.dat file was all the SCSI bridge cards that would
not return enough info from an IDENT command (ACB-4000, etc).
With Solaris and its formatting program, if it's a new drive type,
you query the drive and partition it from there. One extra step.
No big deal.
I do not believe there are any protocol wierdnesses introduced on
purpose.
-ethan
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4:23 p.m.
That's what I thought too and everyone just helped me to validate that. The
seller is replacing these and I told him that I felt that the drive's
bearings were shot and that the drives don't spin up enough to
actuate/initialize. Once he sends me some from another lot I should have a
nice full server with 6 9.1's and 4 4.3's...
=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
=> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:07 PM
=> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> Subject: RE: SUN SCSI vs non-SUN?
=>
=>
=>
=> --- Russ Blakeman <rhblakeman(a)kih.net> wrote:
=> > That's basically what I was wanting to validate - I got 4 Sun badged
=> > Seagate ST19171WC drives... I wanted to make sure thet Sun
=> > din't have Seagate make them different to be of a proprietary
=> nature. The
=> > place I got them from is going to ship 4 different ones on Monday.
=>
=> AFAIK, while a Sun drive may have a drive ident string that mentions
=> "Sun" in one way or another (like the Seagate ST1488s that tell you they
=> are SUN424 drives), it's only important for ancient Sun formatting
=> software to figure out how to slice and dice the drives. Back in those
=> days, you had to have a proper entry in the "format.dat" file, and a
=> lot of effort went into maintaining those if you chose to buy non-Sun
=> drives (I went through it trying to put Sun0S 4.1.x on my first SPARC1
=> when I got a 1.8GB Quantum). I think the reason the old formatter
=> needed a format.dat file was all the SCSI bridge cards that would
=> not return enough info from an IDENT command (ACB-4000, etc).
=>
=> With Solaris and its formatting program, if it's a new drive type,
=> you query the drive and partition it from there. One extra step.
=> No big deal.
=>
=> I do not believe there are any protocol wierdnesses introduced on
=> purpose.
=>
=> -ethan
=>
=>
=> __________________________________________________
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=> Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!
=> http://auctions.yahoo.com
=>
3 Feb
3 Feb
5:15 a.m.
If they're "running out," suggesting the spindle bearing is worn out, you
should let the supplier replace them for you. I can't imagine what a drive
maker could do to the firmware to make a drive that works in a system, wobble
or "buzz" in a different manufacturer's application.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Blakeman" <rhblakeman(a)kih.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: SUN SCSI vs non-SUN?
That's basically what I was wanting to validate -
I got 4 Sun badged Seagte
ST19171WC drives, just like my HP badged Seagate ST19171WCs and they look
alike, etc. I just received them and they are apparently worn out as I get a
ton of viration withthem that makes my Netserver cablinet buzz, and I don't
think they spin tot he full7200 rpm so they never want to got hrough
format/init. They are seen in the controller's BIOS but things just aren't
right so I'm guessing bad spin up rather than conflict of firmware.
basically I've never worked with Suns so I wanted to make sure thet Sun
din't have Seagate make them different to be of a proprietary nature. The
place I got them from is going to ship 4 different ones on Monday.
=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
=> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:43 PM
=> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> Subject: Re: SUN SCSI vs non-SUN?
=>
=>
=> On February 2, Russ Blakeman wrote:
=> > Here's a question for you SUn people - if I have a HP/Seagate
=> ST19171WC SCA
=> > hard drive in my server and found some drives that are
=> Sun/Seagate ST19171WC
=> > SCA drives, is there anything different int he Sun, ie they
=> should work in
=> > my HP server despite them being made for Sun by Seagate right?
=> Just checking
=> > and I'm guessing that they are exactly the same just labeled
=> for the OEM by
=> > Seagate and the firmware showing either HP or Sun when they show up in
=> > various HD utilities.
=> >
=> > Thanks in advance for the help, I'm just making sure I didn't
=> do too much
=> > acid in the 60's (no wait I was only 13 in 69...that doesn't work)
=>
=> That whole "standard interfaces" thing makes this easy...just plug
=> it in and all should be well.
=>
=> Some vendors (Auspex comes to mind) use custom firmware but I've
=> never seen it make the drive incompatible with something else that
=> speaks standard SCSI.
=>
=> -Dave
=>
=> --
=> Dave McGuire
=> St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf
=>
=>
8:04 a.m.
That's what I'm in the process of and the seller is doing - these are used
drives, likely from Sun servers and obviously have a lot of service hours.
They run fine horizontally, but my Netserver hotswap bays are vertical and
that's when they won't initialize, and consequently buzz/vibrate.
I was basically making sure that Sun SCSI was usable in other SCSI
applications, that they hadn't made them proprietary in some way.
=> -----Original Message-----
=> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Richard Erlacher
=> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 10:15 AM
=> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
=> Subject: Re: SUN SCSI vs non-SUN?
=>
=>
=> If they're "running out," suggesting the spindle bearing is worn out,
you
=> should let the supplier replace them for you. I can't imagine
=> what a drive
=> maker could do to the firmware to make a drive that works in a
=> system, wobble
=> or "buzz" in a different manufacturer's application.
=>
=> Dick
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