18 Jul
2016
18 Jul
'16
4:39 p.m.
Liam, thank you so much for this information!
I did not know about all the HACKINTOSH action out there!
Good to hear that one system will use SATA drive > I will just have to
find some old installable OS for it.
The family of the deceased engineer that passed these on to us at the
SMECC Museum project tossed most any paperwork or media , so we have
what is installed on the system and of course for the diskless one we are
empty handed.
We we were out scrounging now I wish I had picked up more vintage MAC
paperwork and discs now.
We saved stuff related to the early MAC and of course ANYTHING we could
find for the APPLE II.
We do also have something that looks like an APPLE LISA but not the
twiggi (sp?) drive model I have heard reference to. it turned on last time I
tried but just a bunch of diddle crap all over the screen. (bogus
contents of memory mapped video or!?? <this machine is a mystery to me I saw
it when it came out but that is abut the only experience I have had with
LISA remember I was a HP guy in the business days... I do remember going
over to a store in Metrocenter in AZ and seeing one for the first time
with a MOUSE on it! I was amazed...
Again... thanks for the hints and help now and in the future.
Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
In a message dated 7/18/2016 12:03:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
lproven at gmail.com writes:
On 18 July 2016 at 20:18, <COURYHOUSE at aol.com> wrote:
Ed, *please* will you get a proper email client? They work fine with
AOL mail. I know, I am also liamproven at aol.com & have been for 20y!
will not load curvet os because?
"This is caused by the lack of the 64 bit EFI bios. The hardware of the
Mac Pro 1.1 is already complete 64bit capable but they do ship the efi
bios
only in 32bit version."
Ed says..... OK whatever an EFI Bios is....
There are ways around it.
http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2015/3/2/how-to-resurrect-a-2006-m
ac-pro-11-so-it-can-run-osx-yosemit.html
Ask the Hackintosh community:
http://hq-a.weebly.com/
---------------------
ok we also have a -
"The Power Macintosh G5 shipped from 2003 until 2006. All models pack
64-bit PowerPC 970 (G5) processors in an easy-to-upgrade aluminum tower
case
design with a single external optical drive
bay"
This one is missing disc drives... this has the neatest form
fitting
insides of any of the macs I have seen.
Takes any old SATA drive, as far as I recall. No special firmware needed.
Will run up to OS X 10.5, nothing later.
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18 Jul
18 Jul
4:50 p.m.
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
Liam, thank you so much for this information!
I did not know about all the HACKINTOSH action out there!
If you've got an Intel cpu, you can run it with VMWare too. :)
g.
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19 Jul
19 Jul
9:37 a.m.
On 18 July 2016 at 22:50, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
I've heard that but I have never once got it to work, either in VMware
or VirtualBox. :-(
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Liam, thank you so much for this information!
I did not know about all the HACKINTOSH action out there!
If you've got an Intel cpu, you can run it with VMWare too. :)
9:44 a.m.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
On 18 July 2016 at 22:50, geneb <geneb at
deltasoft.com> wrote:
You have to patch VMWare to turn on the MacOS support - it's not available
by default.
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, COURYHOUSE at aol.com
wrote:
I've heard that but I have never once got it to work, either in VMware
or VirtualBox. :-( Liam, thank you so much for this information!
I did not know about all the HACKINTOSH action out there!
If you've got an Intel cpu, you can run it with VMWare too. :)
9:48 a.m.
On 19 July 2016 at 15:44, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
You have to patch VMWare to turn on the MacOS support
- it's not available
by default.
Ah. Well, since I don't own it and prefer FOSS, I'll stick to
VirtualBox and try to uncover the secret. I know people manage to do
it.
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10:30 a.m.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
On 19 July 2016 at 15:44, geneb <geneb at
deltasoft.com> wrote:
VMWare Player can do it as well, but does need the patch tweak to make it
work properly.
g.
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http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
You have to patch VMWare to turn on the MacOS
support - it's not available
by default.
Ah. Well, since I don't own it and prefer FOSS, I'll stick to
VirtualBox and try to uncover the secret. I know people manage to do
it. 
10:08 a.m.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Liam Proven wrote:
I've heard that but I have never once got it to
work, either in VMware
or VirtualBox. :-(
IMHO, it's a PITA and not really worth it. Hardware-based Hackintoshes can
be fast and somewhat well supported. You just have to be very careful
about what hardware you pick. If one decides to build one, I'd recommend
checking the Buyers Guide on http://www.tonymacx86.com.
As far as VMware or VirtualBox goes, that's a different story. I've used
both of them and as of about a year or so ago, I didn't get satisfactory
results. For one, even when you use an EFI BIOS, you still need to load
EFI hackery-loaders, and driver-hacks to get it working. I tried to do it
the "legal way" by buying a copy of OSX Server standalone etc...
https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&c…
Eventually I got a working guest VM with OSX on it, but I think the
graphics drivers and other niggly bits were non-optimal to the point it
was just painful and slow to use. It took quite a bit of time even to get
it that far (lots of trial and error with the guest VM settings). Perhaps
things are easier these days, but I certainly couldn't recommend the
process unless you just wanted/needed OSX Server running in a VM for some
kind of infrastructure stuff. That's probably exactly what Apple intended,
too.
BTW, I've heard it all runs peachy under OSX. Obviously, I'm talking about
the host-server being FreeBSD, Linux, or Windows.
With Mac Minis and other OSX hardware being pretty accessible, and with my
bad-attitude toward most modern commercial OSs (app store full of malware
anyone?) I'm not enthusiastic enough to jack with VM'ing it much. My
impression is that Apple seems much more interested in iPhones and perhaps
tablets these days than some "old" desktop OS.
http://www.osnews.com/story/29299/Apple_PC_sales_fall_below_market
You'd think a company with a bazillion notional dollars equity value would
have a few spare cycles for keeping the OS interesting. However, lately,
my impression is that their idea of "interesting" seems to mean they put
higher walls around the garden. Oh, wait, they are making it mo' betta'
for to read in traditional Chinese and throwing in a bunch of bundled
application tweaks that have little to do with the actual OS. Uhh.
Grreeeeaaaaat.
http://www.apple.com/osx/all-features/
Hey Apple, you might want a modern volume management scheme (ie.. not Core
Storage) before you slap "Server" on anything else. It's no small wonder
OSX Server was a failure in the marketplace.
I'd rather install a 20 year old OS I've never seen versus OSX on VMware,
but that's just me.
-Swift
10:33 a.m.
On 19 July 2016 at 16:08, Swift Griggs <swiftgriggs at gmail.com> wrote:
IMHO, it's a PITA and not really worth it.
That's my impression, yes.
Hardware-based Hackintoshes can
be fast and somewhat well supported.
I know, because I hackintoshed my PC in London before I left.
It was a decent machine off the local Freecycle group -- Core 2 Quad
Extreme, 8GB RAM, SATA DVD-RW. No hard disks or graphics card, which I
cannibalised off my old PC.
As it was the first all-Intel machine I'd had in a long long time --
well over a decade -- I tried hackintoshing it. (At first, it ran
Ubuntu, natch, and I also tried Windows 8 on it for a month or so
before the eval period expired and it started nagging.)
It took days of trial and error but it worked. I intentionally used
Snow Leopard (although Mountain Lion was by then current) because [a]
I wanted PowerPC app support, mainly for MS Office 2004 and [b] it was
an old version already, so probably no patches would come along and
break my installtion.
It worked fine and was a fast, useful, stable machine. I intentionally
didn't try to get sleep/resume working -- it was a desktop; when not
in use, I turned it off. One boot in 50 might fail but a press of the
reset button and it always came up. Floppy drive and PS/2 ports didn't
work, but I could always just reboot into Ubuntu for them.
When I get the box over here, I might try to get it running a more
modern version, just for kicks.
You just have to be very careful
about what hardware you pick. If one decides to build one, I'd recommend
checking the Buyers Guide on http://www.tonymacx86.com.
I'm not that rich!
I bought a used Mac mini, with my 26Y old Apple ABD keyboard on it. :-)
As far as VMware or VirtualBox goes, that's a
different story. I've used
both of them and as of about a year or so ago, I didn't get satisfactory
results. For one, even when you use an EFI BIOS, you still need to load
EFI hackery-loaders, and driver-hacks to get it working.
Yes, tried that.
I tried to do it
the "legal way" by buying a copy of OSX Server standalone etc...
https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&c…
OK, never tried that!
Eventually I got a working guest VM with OSX on it,
but I think the
graphics drivers and other niggly bits were non-optimal to the point it
was just painful and slow to use. It took quite a bit of time even to get
it that far (lots of trial and error with the guest VM settings). Perhaps
things are easier these days, but I certainly couldn't recommend the
process unless you just wanted/needed OSX Server running in a VM for some
kind of infrastructure stuff. That's probably exactly what Apple intended,
too.
I'm tempted to, but the machine I'd want to run it on is AMD-based, so
I think the chances are not good.
BTW, I've heard it all runs peachy under OSX.
Obviously, I'm talking about
the host-server being FreeBSD, Linux, or Windows.
With Mac Minis and other OSX hardware being pretty accessible, and with my
bad-attitude toward most modern commercial OSs (app store full of malware
anyone?) I'm not enthusiastic enough to jack with VM'ing it much. My
impression is that Apple seems much more interested in iPhones and perhaps
tablets these days than some "old" desktop OS.
Up to a point, yes. But it's still a damned fine desktop, and the
least-hassle Unix there is. Ubuntu is getting close, though.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/may/17/computing-opensource
http://lifehacker.com/5993401/im-cory-doctorow-and-this-is-how-i-work
You'd think a company with a bazillion notional
dollars equity value would
have a few spare cycles for keeping the OS interesting. However, lately,
my impression is that their idea of "interesting" seems to mean they put
higher walls around the garden. Oh, wait, they are making it mo' betta'
for to read in traditional Chinese and throwing in a bunch of bundled
application tweaks that have little to do with the actual OS. Uhh.
Grreeeeaaaaat.
I have no issues with it myself. I don't use Apple phones or laptops,
I don't have a tablet, so the integration features are irrelevant to
me. I don't use Apple's email client, chat client, calendar, notes,
cloud storage, anything. Mostly I use FOSS and freeware apps, so
there's no tie-in for me.
But the integration is, I hear, amazing and best-of-breed.
I gather they're adding Siri to the next version, macOS Sierra, and
after that, there will be more AI features. Not sure that I want any
of that, but we'll see.
Hey Apple, you might want a modern volume management
scheme (ie.. not Core
Storage) before you slap "Server" on anything else. It's no small wonder
OSX Server was a failure in the marketplace.
Well, they nearly added ZFS, but bottled out, possibly due to Oracle
and its licensing. Now they're working on a new one:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/digging-into-the-dev-documentation-for…
I'd rather install a 20 year old OS I've never
seen versus OSX on VMware,
but that's just me.
Partly. ;-)
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