On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote: No pictures, and it's not being marketed as a "collector's item". I'm willing to be an IBM 5150 that a properly worded auction right now will fetch a decent amount. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

True and half of mine are the older 16-64's and the other half are the newer 64-256k types. I've had people locally tell me that they had an "orignal IBM PC" and when I got to look at it the thing only had one 5 pin DIN (no cassette port) and had 8 slots - of course they were 5160 XT's. I did get one free once that ended up being some sort of metwork controller built in/around a 5150 but it was toasted and I've since gotten rid of it (it had a totally different number like a 34xx or something) -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Fred Cisin -> (XenoSoft) -> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:19 AM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: RE: IBM 5150 PC -> -> -> Let's keep in mind also, that the 16-64K motherboard is far more -> valuable/rare/suckerbait than the 64-256K board. -> -> > > Someone beat you to it with 10 untested main units on ebay - how many -> > > buyers you think will know to get the right monitor? I wonder where -> > > they get the idea that dual floppy is rare on them? All of the ones I -> > > have (except 2) have dual floppies, the other two I would consider -> > > more rare as they have FH 5mb hard drives and a controller. -> -> The 5MB hard drive is third party after-market. The first hard -> drive that -> IBM marketed for it was 10M. -> Are third party after-market accessories more or less valuable than OEM? -> -> The two floppy drive is certainly the most common. -> One drive is less common, and no drives is the least common, although no -> such configuration is truly RARE. -> Strange, considering that IBM was charging $500 per drive, and using the -> same drives as the TRS-80 (~$200 after market for the same brand/model -> (Tandon TM100-1)) -> -> -> But, ... it makes the block-off plates that IBM used whenever -> there wasn't -> a drive R@RE & VALUABLE! (they're much nicer than the aftermarket -> block-offs, and have a metal backing/bracket. -> -> -> -> > No pictures, and it's not being marketed as a "collector's item". I'm -> > willing to be an IBM 5150 that a properly worded auction right now will -> > fetch a decent amount. -> -> "willing to BE an IBM 5150"????? -> Confusing. Well, ... one of my students who watches too many cop shows -> on TV told me that, at least in California, "5150" is cop radio slang for -> a person with "mental problems making them a threat to themselves or -> others". -> -> Eventually I realized that it was a typo, and he meant to say that he was -> willing to "BET". -> -> -> I'd better be careful. Noticing other people's typos could eventually -> lead to my being held accountable for my own spellling misteaks. -> -> -- -> Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com -> ->

I have a PC/XT in original trim plus an AST Sixpack+, and every IBM sleeved manual (with original working disks) you can think of, even the IBM Timesharing System and UCSD p-System. I even have the IBM Sleeved version of CP/M. Peace... Sridhar On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Mike Ford wrote:

Is it available? 8-) Peace... Sridhar On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:

Isn't this month the 20th anniversary of "Chess" the IBM PC???? Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.comTo: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.orgSent: Monday, August 06, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: RE: IBM 5150 PC Festival ---- http://www.vintage.org

Master of all that Sucks skrev: Yawn... So many PCs... why? OTOH, that IBM timesharing system sounds remotely interesting, what is it? -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. MUSIK G?R MAN AV PLAST OCH KISEL! TR?D ANV?NDER MAN TILL M?BLER!

I have a 16 bit ISA card that is a Motorola 68020 with 68881 (or is it the 68882?). Anyway the card is a complete single board computer that plugs into your AT system. It is made by a company called DSI and came with C and FORTRAN, I believe. I actually collect ISA cards that have interesting processors on them (i.e. 80186, 68000, 68020, 386 486, etc.) Eric

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, r. 'bear' stricklin wrote: I have a couple. I don't know if it is the same card you are talking about, but I have a couple of different kinds of cards which are multiprocessor i860 on an EISA. I've never had problems with EISA cards, but I've always been able to find the config disks. Don't forget about the variety of coprocessed PCI cards out there. Like the Mylex DAC960 series, which uses two identical custom Mylex chipsets and an i960CF for two-channel coprocessed RAID, and the IBM ServeRAID. The ServeRAID II has three Adaptec AIC-7880 UW-SCSI chipsets and a PowerPC 403e @ 66? MHz for three-channel coprocessed RAID. Then there are all the SGI VME64 graphics cards, etc, many of which have interesting processors on them. Peace... Sridhar

Coolest? or weirdest? how about SILLIEST?? IBM professional debug facility. An entire half length card for the sole purpose of bringing two pins of the ISA bus to a pushbutton. It made the front cover of PC Tech Journal. Eiconscript. Laser printer controller (for CX mechanism) with postscript wannabe and laserjet emulation Cordata. Laser printer controller with proprietary formatting language and fonts. Software refuses to run on 286 and above. Jlaser. Laser printer controller. various models with "add-ons", including Canon IX12? scanner controller, serial, parallel, floppy controllers. Originally made for the sole purpose to be able to peddle large amounts of RAM. Co-processor "speedup" cards 8086 80186 80286 80386 ... Quadlink. Apple 2 on a card, without the reliability of the Trackstar (70% DOA rate, and even the replacement boards were untested) Apple Turnover. fits between floppy controller and drive for reading Apple disks on PC. POS from POS company. Coolest? extender card from Hurricane labs with lots of switches and LEDs to be able to intercept and monitor some of the bus signals. P.O.S.T cards. very useful when programming to be able to out to a port to display what's going on in a program with minimal disruption Are you going to be at VCF? I have to offload several more cubic yards of stuff, including ISA cards. -- Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com PO Box 1236 (510) 558-9366 Berkeley, CA 94701-1236

"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote: Coolest, weirdest, silly, interesting...take your pick. All work! Yes, I have a POST card that I still use, or did about 3 months ago. Oh, no ya don't! I have several cubic yards myself. Worked in a computer store awhile back during the ISA to PCI switchover and pick up their decde long leftovers of ISA. I know how it goes. "You can have this group, but you must take it all!" No cherrypicking!" Sound familar? I want to cherrypick.... Eric

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Gene Buckle wrote: NO! Periscope (by Brett Salter) had several different versions, ranging from little clips to go into an ISA slot alongside a board, to a full lenghth board with "write-protectable RAM" that the debugger could be loaded into. The IBM version COULD be used with the Persicope software, particularly if you were SO unable to solder as to not be able to put a pair of extra wires ont solder pads (such as on the floppy card). What made the IBM card "SPECIAL" was that it was an entire half length card with a single trace on each side running at an angle to the pushbutton. It was the closest to a BLANK card as was ever issued. REAL BLANK, without even any holes in it, NOT a prototype card. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

Speaking of almost-blank ISA cards, I have a really neat one here (in the Mountaingate RDR I was asking about a few weeks back). The ISA bus connections are limited only to power and ground lines, I think, though I couldn't actually get it to work outside the backplane it came in. It has a 40 pin IDE header on the other edge of the card, which plugs into an IDE controller. Then it takes those signals and the power from the bus and runs it all into a laptop-style 44 pin header, so you can mount a 2.5" drive right there on the card with its provided screwholes. I think it would be even cooler to combine a card like that with a really simple IDE controller, and have the whole setup and drive on one card there. -Rob On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:

on 8/8/01 8:00 AM, Iggy Drougge at optimus(a)canit.se wrote: The DKB Rapidfire is like that and there certainly isn't much to that board at all. Jeff

Plus Development manufactured a number of them under the name 'Hardcard'. As Iggy mentioned, any number of SCSI cards for the Amiga also did similar things, as did various hard disks for the Apple IIGS I believe. Mega-haus also provided some DIY kits so that you could add your controller and drive to thier frame at one point as well. I think that was geared towards the XT and Tandy 1000 owners that lacked the additional drive bays. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Tony Duell wrote: Tony, Quantum built a Hardcard EZ with an inbuilt IDE card and 127mb IDE drive. It used cable selection to identify the drive. - don

r. 'bear' stricklin skrev: That's not fair! My CPU is only a 25 MHz '040, and you say that there are faster SCSI cards!? I think my coolest ISA card is a hybrid DCA token ring node. On one edge of the card, there's an ISA edge, on the opposite side, there's an MCA one. Then a daughter board with the blanking plate and connectors is moved to either side depending on which bus you like. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.

What's more fun is having the SCSI card serving a disk for you 4Mhz Z80 system. Now you have the "superior" 16 bit CPU of fetching disk blocks for the "inferior" 8 bit CPU :-) At 05:52 PM 8/7/01 -0400, you wrote:

On 7 Aug 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote: There are MUCH faster SCSI cards then that. I believe that the IBM ServeRAID 4L has two PowerPC 420s @ 133 MHz. Peace... Sridhar

On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:54:24 -0400 Eric Chomko <chomko(a)greenbelt.com> wrote: My all-time favourite is the Wyse 700, a two-board sandwich of fast TTL and a 6545. It could do 1280x800 graphics (monochrome) way back in 1986 or so, which was great for the first generation of PC-based Desk-Top Publishing programs like Ventura. I still have one, and the special monochrome CRT for it. -- John Honniball Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk University of the West of England

Jeff Hellige wrote: Bring it over next time. If it IS the DSI card, then I'll be able to help you with it. Eric

Jeff Hellige wrote: Check out the following link. It's a benchmark on the DSI board. http://www.spiess.ch/emme2/e2news/news02/node2.html And then of course there is this one: http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/1997-04/0693.html http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/1997-04/0292.html Hey, isn't that you, Jeff, asking about this very same board???

Well, I checked out my local Goodwill stores. What a waste. When I asked about old Apples, the computer supervisor said "we refuse those." When I asked about Sun and DEC, they looked at me like I was speaking an alien language. A few extremely overpriced 486 & Pentium 75 systems, that's it. Other than the huge box of old cards that I sorted through. Nothing of note except for a whole slew of 3Com and IBM brand Token ring cards (all say "4/16") and one Kingston KTC-9160 eight slot memory expansion board. If anyone wants any of these email me. Arthur Clark

Which Goodwill is this? (I'm assuming either York or Harrisburg?) About three years ago I got a really nice TI-99/4a with the expansion box and several boxes of books, software, and accessories at the Goodwill in York for around $30, but that was all I ever got there. The Salvation Army in York used to get Apple and 8 bit micro stuff pretty regularly, but now have absolutely nothing worth looking at. There are two Goodwills in Harrisburg that I've been to (both only once). One was pretty poor, but the other might be worth looking at as they had a good shelf of computer books and manuals. (I wish I could remember which store was which.) Tom Applefritter www.applefritter.com

On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:52:41PM -0700, Sellam Ismail wrote: I actually scored a PDP-11/23+ at a St. Vincent De Paul's (I think thats the name of the place) a few years ago here in town. I was looking for vt-compatible ascii dumb terminals; someone said "I think i saw some down there". Went down, they had some Wyse and some VT100s, but they said "if you take those, you have to take this with it" - which was a computer. Had a QIC tape drive and an OEM label, but it turned out to be a BA123 (the "bigger than a PC tower" 19"-rack-on-its-side) enclosure with an 11/23+ in it, and it even booted to RSTS/E. At the time, I was younger, stupider, and gave it away to a kid from UT when I moved and didnt want to hurt my back putting it in the truck. 8-( I think we paid $25 for the whole lot of stuff. I've never seen anything else there other than a lot of computer magazine collections (Sun Expert, etc)... they "spiffied" up and dont carry obscure nifty stuff anymore. 8-( Goodwill varies - i go 2-3 times a week when I can. latest find was a DECserver 90M for $5. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

Chad Fernandez skrev: For some reason, people tend to think that I work there whenever I visit the salvation army. It must be the familiar way I handle things there. I'd be able to shop there eyefolded. =/ -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. A bore is a man who deprives you of solitude without providing you with company.

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote: The big ones in Californa (at least here in the SF/SiVa area) are Thrift Town and Thrift Center. I believe the chain I frequented in Raleigh was also a Thrift Center, leading me to believe they are a nationwide franchise. only have to guarantee that 1% of your profits are going to a charity. So it may well be that someone saw the potential, ran the numbers, and saw dollar signs. Not in the sense I'm thinking. They're a charity. They make money to help people. Thrift Town is in it for the profit. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001, Arthur E. Clark wrote: I don't think in all my days of going to Goodwill I have ever seen anything Sun or DEC there. I do believe those types of items are diverted to depots where they conduct auctions. Goodwills and Salvation Army's are really only good for old (and cheap) computer books. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

Eric Chomko wrote: My coolest ISA card has to be the custom built DTC card. DTC stands for DSP + Transputer Card. It contains everything plus the kitchen sink on one ISA card. The specs can be found at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/7677/. It contains a T425 transputer + Motorola DSP56002 + Xilinx FPGA+ two size-2 tram slots and IDE interface, and whole lot of other features as well. Really cool looking board as well... Ram -- ,,,, /'^'\ ( o o ) -oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------- | Ram Meenakshisundaram | | Senior Software Engineer | | OpenLink Financial Inc | | .oooO Phone: (516) 227-6600 x267 | | ( ) Oooo. Email: rmeenaks(a)olf.com | ---\ (----( )-------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/

Chad Fernandez wrote: A simple google search has revealed the following FAQ and location for the software for the Trackstar: http://ground.ecn.uiowa.edu/2/apple2/Faqs/R022TRKSTAR.htm Now that wasnt hard was it ;-) Ram -- ,,,, /'^'\ ( o o ) -oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------- | Ram Meenakshisundaram | | Senior Software Engineer | | OpenLink Financial Inc | | .oooO Phone: (516) 227-6600 x267 | | ( ) Oooo. Email: rmeenaks(a)olf.com | ---\ (----( )-------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/

I remember reading about the 3DO Blaster when it first came out, it seemed like a really cool way to expand their platform, and get better gaming on the 486's of the day. IIRC, it only worked with one kind of Creative CDROM drive, though, probably one of the proprietary ones; it probably won't do much without that. -Rob On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Jason McBrien wrote:

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Eric Chomko wrote: I'll always hold in high esteem the 300 baud internal modem that let me discover 'the Internet' in ~1991. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

Rumor has it that Bill Bradford may have mentioned these words: Holey-Moley - Y'all had the big toyz! ;-) I started with my CoCo2 & a 300baud Radio Shack mumble-modem - the gray matter is rusty, but it was their "lowest-end" & still cost around $150USD - I remember hand-dialing then hanging up just right after the CD while pushing the "connect" button on the modem... With practice, I could connect correctly 2 out of every 3 tries... ;-) Nowadays in this "Internet-Infested" world, if the modems are down for 5 minutes, I've got 100 angry customers calling... :-( ...And I was dialing 400 miles away (long distance out-of-state - was cheaper than the nearest dialup in-state which was still 150 miles distant) to Tymnet or Telenet to connect to compuserve in '86 or '87... Lemme tell ya - 32x16 green-screen is *not* fun to attempt telecommunications with... but if that's allz ya gotz... Aaahhh, the good 'ol days! ;-) [[ and I doubt I could do it anymore, but I could *whistle* the characters Q & R into the handset while the modem was connected... Needless to say, back then that "talent" still didn't attract the chicks! ;-) ]] Laterz, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Roger Merchberger wrote: I had a PortaCom-110 hardcopy terminal (larger than an IBM Selectric) with integrated accoustic coupler 110 baud modem. And I walked to school everyday in 6 feet of snow, uphill both ways!! :-) bill PS. I thought it was a giant leap in technology when I saw my first TI Silent 700. -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill(a)cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

Is this true? I have a C64 and a vicmodem. I've only had the mod since VCFE, but someone there said that it would only work with the '20. John A. Ethan Dicks said:

I have an EISA card with four i860s on it. Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Eric Chomko wrote:

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I thought the first officially supported Mainframe on a card was that P/370 (an S/370 on a card -- it's not an emulator... it's an actual mainframe). I have a couple of P/390s myself. Beautiful system, if you can afford it. Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Mike Ford wrote:

joe wrote: Real cool! I'll keep my eyes open for that one... Eric

Sellam Ismail wrote: How does this sound? IBM 5150 PC from NASA auction, with NASA stickers, custon NASA modificiations for enhanced coomunications. Complete with 20 MB hard drive loaded with original NASA files, and works! Sorry, you can't have it. :) Eric P.S. This remninds me to check that serial number...

Jeff Hellige wrote: I'll drag it out next time your over. At the very least I should back up the hard drive... Eric

I think the keyboard is the most valuable part of the package. A lot of people like those keyboards. Peace... Sridhar On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:

May have just been the way I read into it as well, but even at that I've come across pallets of 5150's just this year that I could have had for $10 for the whole pallet, minus monitors and keyboards but I have no desire or need and no time to monkey with them since I already have over a dozen of them in different configs, and all (but one) working. That isn't that rare and there are still many in daily use as terminals and GP utility machines in my area. A local volunteer fire dept uses one with an older Wordstar to keep logs and do GP letters and it works great for them, even without a hard drive. -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Chad Fernandez -> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:43 AM -> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> Subject: Re: IBM 5150 PC -> -> -> Russ, -> -> I don't hink he meant that dual floppies were rare. I think his mention -> of, "Rare", in the title is simply the oligatory, "Rare", that Ebay -> requires every seller to use when selling somthing for profit, that -> isn't really worth all that much :-) -> -> Chad Fernandez -> Michigan, USA -> -> Russ Blakeman wrote: -> > -> > Someone beat you to it with 10 untested main units on ebay - -> how many buyers -> > you think will know to get the right monitor? I wonder where -> they get the -> > idea that dual floppy is rare on them? All of the ones I have -> (except 2) -> > have dual floppies, the other two I would consider more rare -> as they have FH -> > 5mb hard drives and a controller. -> > -> > See item 1262107020 at -> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1262107020 ->

I want to get my hands on a 5155. That would rule. Peace... Sridhar On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:

The case and the monitor are my favorite parts. It would be my everyday use "laptop" running UCSD p-System. Peace... Sridhar On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Tony Duell wrote: