17 Aug
2014
17 Aug
'14
4:23 p.m.
It seems to me that a large percentage of original PCs, XTs and ATs that I've ever
seen have been missing the plastic rear trim panels. Is there any particular reason why
those seem to have been so commonly removed and lost or discarded?
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
17 Aug
17 Aug
4:50 p.m.
I didn't even know there was supposed to be a rear trim panel!! Shows how
common they were, I guess ;)
Best,
Sean
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Mark J. Blair <nf6x at nf6x.net> wrote:
It seems to me that a large percentage of original
PCs, XTs and ATs that
I've ever seen have been missing the plastic rear trim panels. Is there any
particular reason why those seem to have been so commonly removed and lost
or discarded?
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
5:29 p.m.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Sean Caron wrote:
I didn't even know there was supposed to be a rear
trim panel!! Shows how
common they were, I guess ;)
5150 did not have any sort of plastic rear trim panel.
prob'ly the later ("Post-PC") PC/AT 5170
and, few of those still had them by the time any of us saw the machine.
18 Aug
18 Aug
9:56 a.m.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Sean Caron wrote:
I didn't even know there was supposed to be a rear
trim panel!! Shows how
common they were, I guess ;)
I've only ever seen ONE and it was on a PC/AT.
g.
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17 Aug
17 Aug
5:10 p.m.
New subject: IBM PC rear trim panels? Why are they uncommon?
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 01:23:18PM -0700, Mark J. Blair wrote:
It seems to me that a large percentage of original PCs,
XTs and ATs that I've
ever seen have been missing the plastic rear trim panels. Is there any
particular reason why those seem to have been so commonly removed and lost or
discarded?
I got my 5150 new in 1983 and I don't know what you mean.
Maybe it was only on later versions?
John Wilson
D Bit
5:38 p.m.
New subject: IBM PC rear trim panels? Why are they uncommon?
On 08/17/2014 02:10 PM, John Wilson wrote:
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 01:23:18PM -0700, Mark J.
Blair wrote:
There was a trim kit, sold through IBM and others (but probably not an
IBM-made product) that had covers for the floppy drives as well as a
rear plastic trim panel. But those weren't stock with the original
5150, but rather a later option.
I think a comparable product stream was the IBM "Options" for the PS/1
era systems, consisting of monitor power savers, etc.
--Chuck
It seems to me that a large percentage of
original PCs, XTs and ATs that I've
ever seen have been missing the plastic rear trim panels. Is there any
particular reason why those seem to have been so commonly removed and lost or
discarded?
I got my 5150 new in 1983 and I don't know what you mean.
Maybe it was only on later versions?
6:15 p.m.
New subject: IBM PC rear trim panels? Why are they uncommon?
On Aug 17, 2014, at 14:38 , Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
There was a trim kit, sold through IBM and others (but
probably not an IBM-made product) that had covers for the floppy drives as well as a rear
plastic trim panel. But those weren't stock with the original 5150, but rather a
later option.
Do you know whether the 5170 always came with its rear trim panel, or it was an optional
accessory for installations where the AT would be on a non-wall-facing desk?
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
8:59 p.m.
New subject: IBM PC rear trim panels? Why are they uncommon?
On 08/17/2014 03:15 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
Do you know whether the 5170 always came with its rear
trim panel, or
it was an optional accessory for installations where the AT would be
on a non-wall-facing desk?
To the best of my recollection, the 5170 in its native form did not
include a trim panel. However, it was included (ISTR anyway) with the
"sit the box vertically on the floor" IBM kit.
--Chuck
9:12 p.m.
New subject: IBM PC rear trim panels? Why are they uncommon?
On Aug 17, 2014, at 17:59 , Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote:
To the best of my recollection, the 5170 in its native
form did not include a trim panel. However, it was included (ISTR anyway) with the
"sit the box vertically on the floor" IBM kit.
I don't think I recall seeing that 5170 configuration before. I'll try to google
up some pictures to see if they shake out any old memories.
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
18 Aug
18 Aug
12:51 a.m.
New subject: IBM PC rear trim panels? Why are they uncommon?
On 08/17/2014 06:12 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
I don't think I recall seeing that 5170
configuration before. I'll try to google up some pictures to see if they shake out any
old memories.
That was option 0218 for the 5170.
Looking at the 5170 "Installation and Setup" guide, it does mention the
back panel. The 5170 that I owned didn't have it. It seems to be stuck
on with adhesive strips. Perhaps at some point, IBM quit shipping the
5170 with it.
--Chuck
17 Aug
17 Aug
5:23 p.m.
On Aug 17, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
It seems to me that a large percentage of original
PCs, XTs and ATs that I've ever seen have been missing the plastic rear trim panels.
Is there any particular reason why those seem to have been so commonly removed and lost or
discarded?
Do you have a picture of one? I've never seen one.
6:02 p.m.
On Aug 17, 2014, at 14:23 , Geoff Oltmans <oltmansg at gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 17, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote:
I may have been mistaken about the 5150 and 5160 having them, but the 5170 did. Here's
one that I just bought, for a machine that I don't have yet. I just gambled that
whatever 5170 I eventually acquire will probably be missing it. :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271579204114
This page has pictures both with and without the trim panel:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/ibmpcat.shtml
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
It seems to me that a large percentage of
original PCs, XTs and ATs that I've ever seen have been missing the plastic rear trim
panels. Is there any particular reason why those seem to have been so commonly removed and
lost or discarded?
Do you have a picture of one? I've never seen one. 
18 Aug
18 Aug
5:33 a.m.
"Mark J. Blair" <nf6x at nf6x.net> writes:
It seems to me that a large percentage of original
PCs, XTs and ATs
that I've ever seen have been missing the plastic rear trim panels.
On my AT, the plastic panel's held on with self-adhesive velcro
strips. By the time I got it in the late 90s, the velcro was just
barely hanging on -- so by now, I'd expect most ATs to need some
assistance retaining their panels...
(I don't know if the velcro was original, or a replacement for something
that was even less effective!)
--
Adam Sampson <ats at offog.org> <http://offog.org/>
4:57 p.m.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:33:17AM +0100, Adam Sampson wrote:
On my AT, the plastic panel's held on with self-adhesive velcro
strips. By the time I got it in the late 90s, the velcro was just
barely hanging on -- so by now, I'd expect most ATs to need some
assistance retaining their panels...
(I don't know if the velcro was original, or a replacement for something
that was even less effective!)
My 5170 came with a plastic panel still in its sealed
transparent bag. It has four velcro straps glued on with the
mating side with adhesive tape with peel off paper protection.
So it was original.
/P
5:46 p.m.
On Aug 18, 2014 2:00 PM, "Pontus Pihlgren" <pontus at update.uu.se>
wrote:
My 5170 came with a plastic panel still in its sealed
transparent bag. It has four velcro straps glued on with the
mating side with adhesive tape with peel off paper protection.
So it was original.
Sounds just like what is shown in the pictures for this item:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330706874111
6:21 p.m.
On 08/18/2014 02:46 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
Sounds just like what is shown in the pictures for
this item:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330706874111
Yours for a shade less than $100! BARGAIN!
--Chuck
19 Aug
19 Aug
2:22 a.m.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2014, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
My 5170 came with a plastic panel still in its sealed
transparent bag. It has four velcro straps glued on with the
mating side with adhesive tape with peel off paper protection.
So it was original.
So, there wasn't any such thing INSTALLED. It's still in a sealed
transparent bag, in the box, with the rest of the packing materials.
I saw one, on a 5170 that had a gold, instead of silver, front badge.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
3:05 a.m.
New subject: IBM PC rear trim panels�^@� Why are they uncommon
The 5150 also had covers for unused drive bays, and filler brackets for
unused slots. Both of those are pretty common.
The TRS80 had a cover for each cable port. The only one of those that is
commonly still around is the one for the RS232 port. In FPUIB last
year, I had had a handful of those unused, still in the plastic bags.
There was also a cover that went over each port WITH a cable.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
3:48 p.m.
New subject: IBM PC rear trim panels^"^@^æ Why are they uncommon
The 5150 also had covers for unused drive bays, and filler brackets for
unused slots. Both of those are pretty common.
The TRS80 had a cover for each cable port. The only one of those that is
Actually, it awas _2_ covers. for each conencotr. One if you didn't use
it, one if you connected a cable there.
On the keyboard/CPU unit there was a little lift-up flap as standed. If
you conencted the EI, you ftted a different cover aorudn the cable ddge
conenctor, which jsut pushed on.
On the EI there were flat plates with ridges on the inside to fit onto
card deges thte were not used. And hoods to fit round the edge conenctors
on cables fo ones you did use.
Actually, I don't think they suppleid a blanking cover for the CPU cable
conencotr on the EI, since that _had_ to be used. So just the cable hood
there.
commonly still around is the one for the RS232 port.
In FPUIB last
I think I used all the cagles on my EI. If there was one I didn;'t use it
would ahve been the paralell printer port.
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