3 Jan
2013
3 Jan
'13
2 p.m.
I've got the first files online here:
http://www.retroarchive.org/maslin
So far it's only the Kaypro disk images.
I'd like it if one of you that knew Don could write up a small blurb I
could use as an introduction to the archive.
I'll be getting the rest of it online as I have time.
Thanks folks.
g.
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3 Jan
3 Jan
3:33 p.m.
Are you scanning them for viruses out of curiosity? I'm curious how many are truly
infected vs false positives.
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Subject: Don Maslin archive...
I've got the first files online here:
http://www.retroarchive.org/maslin
So far it's only the Kaypro disk images.
I'd like it if one of you that knew Don could write up a small blurb I
could use as an introduction to the archive.
I'll be getting the rest of it online as I have time.
Thanks folks.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
4 Jan
4 Jan
5:51 a.m.
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013, barythrin at gmail.com wrote:
Are you scanning them for viruses out of curiosity?
I'm curious how
many are truly infected vs false positives.
I would be astonished if any (and I mean _any_) virus scanner would find a
legitimate virus on any media consumed by 8 bit computers.
g.
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Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
8:59 a.m.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, geneb wrote:
I would be astonished if any (and I mean _any_) virus
scanner would find a
legitimate virus on any media consumed by 8 bit computers.
certainly not live.
But, some PC viruses, such as "Stoned" (which was also modified slightly
and re-released as a wannabe for the NON-EXISTENT "Michelangelo") can be
dumb enough to try to write themselves to track 0 sector 1 of any disk in
a drive of the PC, disunirregardless of whether that disk is capable of
transmitting it.
9:42 a.m.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, geneb wrote:
Sure, but my virus scanner only complained about the one or two instances
of Stoned (which I let it "fix"). As far as I know, there was never a
known instance of a virus on an 8 bit machine.
g.
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Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
I would be astonished if any (and I mean _any_)
virus scanner would find a
legitimate virus on any media consumed by 8 bit computers.
certainly not live.
But, some PC viruses, such as "Stoned" (which was also modified slightly
and re-released as a wannabe for the NON-EXISTENT "Michelangelo") can be
dumb enough to try to write themselves to track 0 sector 1 of any disk in
a drive of the PC, disunirregardless of whether that disk is capable of
transmitting it. 
9:48 a.m.
On 1/4/13 9:42 AM, geneb wrote:
As far as I know, there was never a known instance of
a virus on an 8 bit machine.
The issue, which most people don't seem to be getting, was that he used a PC to image
the disks.
If THAT system was infected at some point, any files touched, including the .TD0 files,
could
be effected.
10:32 a.m.
> As far as I know, there was never a known
instance of a virus on an 8 bit machine.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Al Kossow wrote:
The issue, which most people don't seem to be
getting, was that he used
a PC to image the disks.
Absolutely!
If THAT system was infected at some point, any files
touched, including
the .TD0 files, could be effected.
Boot sector viruses were much more common, and so simple that they didn't
check whether a disk was bootable before writing to it. If written BEFORE
he creted the .TDO from it, . . . then track 0 sector 1 within the image
of disks with 512 byte sectors, . . .
Executable file viruses normally went after .EXE and sometimes .COM files.
Did ANY go after .TDO files?
For most of Don't alien disk work, the disk was an image, and FILES were
not recognizable as such.
--
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11:04 a.m.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Al Kossow wrote:
On 1/4/13 9:42 AM, geneb wrote:
If the teledisk images were damaged (possible, but unlikely), the only
thing you'd have is a damaged file, not an infection vector.
Disk images for 8 inch disk systems and the Kaypro ROM collection are now
online.
g.
--
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Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
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http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
As far as I know, there was never a known
instance of a virus on an 8 bit
machine.
The issue, which most people don't seem to be getting, was that he used a PC
to image the disks.
If THAT system was infected at some point, any files touched, including the
.TD0 files, could
be effected. 
10:07 a.m.
On 1/4/2013 9:42 AM, geneb wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
With all the targeting of industrial equipment there may be some which
target it via trying to poke at serial and other interfaces from the PC
that the main infection runs on. Such would probably incorporate
exploits for input and communication to attached devices to inject code
into the targets with the objective to crash it. I don't know how many
attached devices running industrial equipment use the 8080 and 6502,
etc., but there are surely some. Perhaps a PC virus targeting such
would set of a modern day virus scan.
It would hardly be a threat, and such viruss would not be in the disk
images for 8080 systems. The sequences that the scanner would be
looking for in PC binaries might be however. "fixing" an image Don has
would likely render it damaged or useless.
Jim
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, geneb wrote:
Sure, but my virus scanner only complained about the one or two
instances of Stoned (which I let it "fix"). As far as I know, there
was never a known instance of a virus on an 8 bit machine.
g I would be astonished if any (and I mean _any_)
virus scanner would
find a
legitimate virus on any media consumed by 8 bit computers.
certainly not live.
But, some PC viruses, such as "Stoned" (which was also modified slightly
and re-released as a wannabe for the NON-EXISTENT "Michelangelo") can be
dumb enough to try to write themselves to track 0 sector 1 of any
disk in
a drive of the PC, disunirregardless of whether that disk is capable of
transmitting it. 
5 Jan
5 Jan
3:24 p.m.
On 01/04/2013 10:07 AM, jim s wrote:
With all the targeting of industrial equipment there
may be some which
target it via trying to poke at serial and other interfaces from the PC
that the main infection runs on. Such would probably incorporate
exploits for input and communication to attached devices to inject code
into the targets with the objective to crash it. I don't know how many
attached devices running industrial equipment use the 8080 and 6502,
etc., but there are surely some. Perhaps a PC virus targeting such
would set of a modern day virus scan.
One aspect of a computer virus is that there must be a means to
propagate the thing--not something that you'll easily find in old 8-bit
industrial equipment. I've never heard of a virus to infect a wire EDM
rig for example.
Much of the early (pre-web) infection was done through the "Any software
title for $3" type of wire-rack sales as well use of BBS downloads.
My understanding of Stuxnet is that it was smuggled into the facility
via USB pen drive, not by the usual Internet route.
--Chuck
8 Jan
8 Jan
3:38 a.m.
On Sat, Jan 05, 2013 at 03:24:36PM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote:
One aspect of a computer virus is that there must be a
means to
propagate the thing--not something that you'll easily find in old 8-bit
industrial equipment.
Every Ye Olde piece of computerised industrial equipment I've seen has
some way of getting data into it, most have some way of getting data out
and many have some way of updating the software on them. Often it's
just a serial port that speaks some proprietary protocol, but having a
floppy (carefully protected from airborne oil and dust!) is pretty
common.
--
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The Law of Daves: in any gathering of technical people, the
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8:50 a.m.
On 01/08/2013 03:38 AM, David Cantrell wrote:
Every Ye Olde piece of computerised industrial
equipment I've seen has
some way of getting data into it, most have some way of getting data out
and many have some way of updating the software on them. Often it's
just a serial port that speaks some proprietary protocol, but having a
floppy (carefully protected from airborne oil and dust!) is pretty
common.
Sure, but consider the CNC machine as a virus. Those floppies used to
boot the controller often never get their write-protected status
changed. Boot the machine, download the design data, run the job. No
path for propagation. The floppy is used only as a bootup medium.
--Chuck
4 Jan
4 Jan
7:09 p.m.
Sure, but my virus scanner only complained about the
one or two instances
of Stoned (which I let it "fix"). As far as I know, there was never a
known instance of a virus on an 8 bit machine.
There are 1 for MSX...
http://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/software-and-gaming/msx-virus
It is a **very** common virus in MSX computers
7:11 p.m.
Sure, but my virus scanner only complained about the
one or two instances
of Stoned (which I let it "fix"). As far as I know, there was never a
known instance of a virus on an 8 bit machine.
Another interesting and very informative link about zapp, the MSX virus:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_…
11:19 a.m.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, geneb wrote:
I would be astonished if any (and I mean _any_) virus
scanner would find a
legitimate virus on any media consumed by 8 bit computers.
"legitimate"??
Placed on the media by a PC, yes.
Capable of infecting the 8 bit machine, NO.
There did, however, exist some Apple][ viruses
12:46 p.m.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, geneb wrote:
I say "legitimate" because Norton was notorious for deciding certain H-89
programs were infected with some nasty, windows only virus. As if.
g.
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ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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I would be astonished if any (and I mean _any_)
virus scanner would find a
legitimate virus on any media consumed by 8 bit computers.
"legitimate"??
Placed on the media by a PC, yes.
Capable of infecting the 8 bit machine, NO.
11:23 a.m.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, geneb wrote:
I would be astonished if any (and I mean _any_) virus
scanner would find a
legitimate virus on any media consumed by 8 bit computers.
although a boot-sector virus might write to track 0 sector 1
of an alien disk, it would be inert to that 8 bit computer.
The virus scanner, even if it found the "boot sector" to be
infected, would then CRASH when it couldn't understand the
alien directory.
Graceful recovery from unexpected conditions is not the
strongpoint of design in this era.
8:37 a.m.
I've got the first files online here:
http://www.retroarchive.org/maslin
So far it's only the Kaypro disk images.
Thank you so much for doing this. I have a Bondwell 8 bit luggable
that I was communicating with Don before. I would be particularly
interested in the boot software for this machine when it gets up.
Thanks again.
Paxton
--
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Astoria, OR
USA
9:30 a.m.
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Paxton Hoag wrote:
You're quite welcome Paxton. I just put the Bondwell images up for you.
:)
g.
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http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!
I've got
the first files online here:
http://www.retroarchive.org/maslin
So far it's only the Kaypro disk images.
Thank you so much for doing this. I have a Bondwell 8 bit luggable
that I was communicating with Don before. I would be particularly
interested in the boot software for this machine when it gets up.
12:26 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 5:00 PM, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:
I've got the first files online here:
http://www.retroarchive.org/maslin
Thanks for the 8" images. I have a XOR I need to make a disk for.
-ethan
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