30 Jan
2004
30 Jan
'04
12:56 p.m.
Mike,
ONE of today's finds :-) Also got three SUN SparcStations 20s and a
SparcServer 20 with some extra cards in them. Also lots of odds and ends.
Joe
At 05:17 PM 1/30/04 -0800, you wrote:
I suspect he's stuck at the OpenBoot prompt with no way of telling it to
boot.
An Ultra 10 will take a max of 1Gb. The CPU speeds range from 300Mhz -
440Mhz, IIRC. It should display this info on the screen when you power it
on.
It's a nice machine, but unless you can replace the IDE disk with a SCSI
controller and disk, the disk is a real bottleneck. My 300Mhz U10 came with
an ATA33 disk that didn't even run at 5400RPM! I still need to get it
switched to SCSI :^(
Zane
I just got home and opened it up. Things are looking good! It has four
sticks of Kingston KTS7030/512 memory. I looked them up online. Each pair
is 512Mb so that means it has 1Gb of RAM! The hard drive is a Seagate
Barracuda II model ST320420A. That's an Ultra ATA/66 8.5 mS 7200RPM 20.4Gb
drive. It's not SCSI but it will do! The CPU is PN 501-5040. That's a 300
Mhz UltraSpark IIi CPU with a ceramic CPU and 512k cache. It's not the
fastest thing out there but again, it will do!
Now where can I find Windeos for this thing? :-)
Seriously, I found an Adaptec AHA-2940W/2940UW PCI SCSI controller today.
Will it work in the SUN?
Joe
Joe
Found one of these today. Tried to boot it but it
goes into terminal
mode because I don't have a keyboard attached.
And won't boot as well? Odd. No idea
of the amount of memory or CPU speed since I can't get to the
OS.
Older Suns report their RAM config and at least some info about their
CPU in the ROM-generated banner. If it has the "ok " prompt the older
machines use, typing "banner" at it might do something useful. 
30 Jan
30 Jan
5:37 p.m.
ONE of today's finds :-) Also got three SUN
SparcStations 20s and a
SparcServer 20 with some extra cards in them. Also lots of odds and
ends.
Anything droolworthy in the 20s? I'm always interested in SBus stuff,
even if only to turn green at cards others have :)
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31 Jan
31 Jan
4:28 a.m.
Anything droolworthy in the 20s? I'm always
interested in SBus stuff,
even if only to turn green at cards others have :)
Oh, would that be stuff like S-Bus expansion boxes, 16-port Serial cards, or quad 100Mbit
Ethernet? Those are some of the coolest S-Bus widgets I've got. I'm also
somewhat fond of the combo 10Mbit Ethernet/Narrow SCSI cards.
Of course what I drool over are the dual 50Mhz M-Bus modules that will let you turn a
Sparc 20 into a Quad-processor box. Not that I would have any use at all for a system
with them in it.
BTW, anyone ever try the S-Bus expansion boxes, or 16-port serial cards in an Ultra 2?
I'm wondering if such things will work in a U2.
Zane
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6:13 a.m.
On Jan 31, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Of course what I drool over are the dual 50Mhz M-Bus modules that will
let you turn a Sparc 20 into a Quad-processor box. Not that I would
have any use at all for a system with them in it.
Got them - SM52 modules - and they're a recipe for disaster in an
SS20. Way too hot, way too close together, and not nearly enough
aorflow.
Want a SPARCServer1000? With a fully-populated SSA 100 and the
aforementioned SM52s? Boots, runs, has CD-ROM and original drives, 2
system boards and I think 512MB RAM. Keyswitch is gutted and ugly, but
functional. The SSA comes with the SBUS interface and a full load of
2GB drives. No fiber cable, though.
BTW, anyone ever try the S-Bus expansion boxes, or
16-port serial
cards in an Ultra 2? I'm wondering if such things will work in a U2.
Doc
6:34 a.m.
What the heck is a 75MHz SM71 SuperSPARC II Module? PN 501-2925. I
couldn't find anything about it on the SunSolve site.
Joe
At 02:13 PM 1/31/04 -0600, you wrote:
On Jan 31, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Of course what I drool over are the dual 50Mhz M-Bus modules that will
let you turn a Sparc 20 into a Quad-processor box. Not that I would
have any use at all for a system with them in it.
Got them - SM52 modules - and they're a recipe for disaster in an
SS20. Way too hot, way too close together, and not nearly enough
aorflow.
Want a SPARCServer1000? With a fully-populated SSA 100 and the
aforementioned SM52s? Boots, runs, has CD-ROM and original drives, 2
system boards and I think 512MB RAM. Keyswitch is gutted and ugly, but
functional. The SSA comes with the SBUS interface and a full load of
2GB drives. No fiber cable, though.
BTW, anyone ever try the S-Bus expansion boxes,
or 16-port serial
cards in an Ultra 2? I'm wondering if such things will work in a U2.
Doc
6:47 a.m.
On Jan 31, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Joe R. wrote:
What the heck is a 75MHz SM71 SuperSPARC II Module?
PN 501-2925. I
couldn't find anything about it on the SunSolve site.
Try here:
http://mbus.sunhelp.org/
Doc
6:54 a.m.
On Jan 31, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
That sounds like a very very nice system.
How big is it? I
run a SPARCstation 20 and a SPARCserver 20 MP.
Of course what I drool over are the dual 50Mhz M-Bus modules that will
let you turn a Sparc 20 into a Quad-processor box. Not that I would
have any use at all for a system with them in it.
Got them - SM52 modules - and they're a recipe for disaster in an
SS20. Way too hot, way too close together, and not nearly enough
aorflow.
Want a SPARCServer1000? With a fully-populated SSA 100 and the
aforementioned SM52s? Boots, runs, has CD-ROM and original drives, 2
system boards and I think 512MB RAM. Keyswitch is gutted and ugly, but
functional. The SSA comes with the SBUS interface and a full load of
2GB drives. No fiber cable, though. BTW, anyone ever try the S-Bus expansion boxes,
or 16-port serial
cards in an Ultra 2? I'm wondering if such things will work in a U2.
Doc
7:36 a.m.
On Jan 31, 2004, at 2:54 PM, John Willis wrote:
They're each - SS1000 and SSA - about a 4U-5U RM drawer. The SSA
isn't tested, but was a working pull. I actually have 2 SSA's, but
only one Sbus interface. It's a dedicated interface, too, not standard
FC.
Total weight would be very near 350lb, maybe more. That SSA is
*heavy*.
Doc
On Jan 31,
2004, at 12:28 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Want a SPARCServer1000? With a fully-populated SSA 100 and the
aforementioned SM52s? Boots, runs, has CD-ROM and original drives, 2
system boards and I think 512MB RAM. Keyswitch is gutted and ugly,
but
functional. The SSA comes with the SBUS interface and a full load of
2GB drives. No fiber cable, though.
That sounds like a very very nice
system. How big is it? I
run a SPARCstation 20 and a SPARCserver 20 MP.
6:16 a.m.
I don't know what the cards in the Sun Sparks are. I haven't ahd time to
get them out and figure out what they are. But I do have a pair of ROSS CPU
cards out of another SUN. (SparcStation 20 IIRC).
Joe
At 10:28 AM 1/31/04 -0800, you wrote:
or quad
100Mbit Ethernet? Those are some of the coolest S-Bus widgets I've
got. I'm also somewhat fond of the combo 10Mbit Ethernet/Narrow SCSI cards.
Anything
droolworthy in the 20s? I'm always interested in SBus stuff,
even if only to turn green at cards others have :)
Oh, would that be stuff like S-Bus expansion boxes, 16-port Serial cards,
Of course what I drool over are the dual 50Mhz M-Bus modules that will let
you turn
a Sparc 20 into a Quad-processor box. Not that I would have any
use at all for a system with them in it.
BTW, anyone ever try the S-Bus expansion boxes, or 16-port serial cards in
an Ultra
2? I'm wondering if such things will work in a U2.
Zane
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6:31 a.m.
Of course what I drool over are the dual 50Mhz M-Bus
modules that will let
you turn a Sparc 20 into a Quad-processor box. Not that I would have any
use at all for a system with them in it.
I have a SS20 stashed away with two SM81 CPUs. That gets hot enough that I
don't think I'd want to try two SM52 CPUs.
--
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9:48 a.m.
Anything
droolworthy in the 20s? I'm always interested in SBus
stuff, even if only to turn green at cards others have :)
Oh, would that be stuff
like S-Bus expansion boxes, 16-port Serial
cards, or quad 100Mbit Ethernet? Those are some of the coolest S-Bus
widgets I've got. I'm also somewhat fond of the combo 10Mbit
Ethernet/Narrow SCSI cards. Of course what I drool over are the dual 50Mhz M-Bus
modules that
will let you turn a Sparc 20 into a Quad-processor box. Not that I
would have any use at all for a system with them in it.
Well, I've got two CPU modules sitting idle. I'd cheerfully swap
either of them an xbox[%]; provided either NetBSD supports it or
there's enough doc for me to make NetBSD support it (and provided it
does reasonably full-featured serial lines), the same goes for a
16-port serial card. If you're interested, drop me a line and I'll dig
them out and send you the numbers and descs, and, if you're still
interested, test them.) I've also got some le/esp combo cards, such as
you expressed interest in....
[%] Note I'm talking about the sbus-to-sbus bridge, not the Microsoft
game console! :-)
BTW, anyone ever try the S-Bus expansion boxes, or
16-port serial
cards in an Ultra 2? I'm wondering if such things will work in a U2.
Well, if you take me up on my offer, I could try them; I have a U2.
(Currently sitting idle, waiting for me to collect round tuits to do
something with it, but I could do _some_ testing at least.)
Hm, I wonder if the U2's onboard ethernet is an hme. Maybe I do have a
100Mb-capable machine....
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10:20 a.m.
On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 18:48, der Mouse wrote:
Hm, I wonder if the U2's onboard ethernet is an hme. Maybe I do have a
100Mb-capable machine...
If I recall correctly, yes it is.. (If I don't, I'm sure someone here
will tell me. :-) )
David
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10:35 a.m.
my U1 is 10/100.. so the U2 should be also...
At 04:20 PM 1/31/2004, you wrote:
On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 18:48, der Mouse wrote:
Hm, I wonder if the U2's onboard ethernet is an hme. Maybe I do have a
100Mb-capable machine...
If I recall correctly, yes it is.. (If I don't, I'm sure someone here
will tell me. :-) )
David
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10:45 a.m.
On Saturday 31 January 2004 13:28, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Then you'd love the dual-90MHz ROSS module I've got (along with a
single-90 module in an SS20 to create a 3 processor "frankenstein"), or
the pair of Dual-100MHz ROSS modules I've got in another machine. The
90s are nicer that the 100s though in my opinion, since they don't take
up any s-bus slots like the 100MHz ones do. (the heatsink on the 100s
is two slots wide because those things run HOT! The 90s aren't
anywhere near as bad.)
The one thing I like about it is that even though it won't take as much
memory, and doesn't have as many SBUS slots (or drive bays), the SS20
with a pair of 100MHz procs is probably just as fast as an 8-way 50MHz
SS1000, and a small fraction of the weight. Of course, you're limited
to IIRC 512MB of ram in the machine...
Adding on the expansion box might be interesting though. I saw one of
those a few months ago, but didn't bother with it because it didn't
have a cable to connect it to a machine with (or the card for the
machine's SBUS slot).
I managed to pick up the 90's pretty cheaply on eBay about a year ago;
the 100s were "retired" from a university machine about 3 years ago -
an SS20 that served around 1000 EE/CompE students for things like
Matlab, pSpice, gcc, and g++. Can you say underpowered?
Pat
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Anything
droolworthy in the 20s? I'm always interested in SBus
stuff, even if only to turn green at cards others have :)
Oh, would that be stuff like S-Bus expansion boxes, 16-port Serial
cards, or quad 100Mbit Ethernet? Those are some of the coolest S-Bus
widgets I've got. I'm also somewhat fond of the combo 10Mbit
Ethernet/Narrow SCSI cards.
Of course what I drool over are the dual 50Mhz M-Bus modules that
will let you turn a Sparc 20 into a Quad-processor box. Not that I
would have any use at all for a system with them in it.
2:33 p.m.
Then you'd love the dual-90MHz ROSS module I've
got (along with a
single-90 module in an SS20 to create a 3 processor "frankenstein"), or
the pair of Dual-100MHz ROSS modules I've got in another machine. The
90s are nicer that the 100s though in my opinion, since they don't take
up any s-bus slots like the 100MHz ones do. (the heatsink on the 100s
is two slots wide because those things run HOT! The 90s aren't
anywhere near as bad.)
Actually the only reason I'd like the dual ROSS HyperSparc modules is to get a Quad
system up and running. I don't like HyperSparc CPU's, a 125Mhz, is about the same
speed as a 75Mhz SuperSparc II.
The one thing I like about it is that even though it
won't take as much
memory, and doesn't have as many SBUS slots (or drive bays), the SS20
with a pair of 100MHz procs is probably just as fast as an 8-way 50MHz
SS1000, and a small fraction of the weight. Of course, you're limited
to IIRC 512MB of ram in the machine...
I don't think so, here are the SpecInt/FP 92 numbers for a SS20.
Sun SS20/50 SuprSP 50 20/16 76.9 80.1
Sun SS20/HS11 HyperSP 50/100 256+8/0 104.5 127.6
While the raw power for a single process might be faster on the 100Mhz HyperSparc, overall
that 8-way 50Mhz will blow it away. Besides if I was putting an 8-way SS1000 together,
I'd be wanting to run it with SM81-2's.
Zane
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7:52 a.m.
At 02:37 AM 1/31/04 -0500, der Mouse wrote:
Nope, I'm afraid not. I opened them up today and found one SM71, one
SM50, one SM 40 and one SM 30 CPUs. One had a Turbo GX framebuffer and the
others GX framebuffers. All had 16 and 32 Mb DIMMs. There's a fair amount
of memory in total but I doubt anybody wants 16 or 32Mb sticks. All the
hard drives were pulled.
Joe
ONE of
today's finds :-) Also got three SUN SparcStations 20s and a
SparcServer 20 with some extra cards in them. Also lots of odds and
ends.
Anything droolworthy in the 20s? I'm always interested in SBus stuff,
even if only to turn green at cards others have :)
10:20 a.m.
[...20s...]
There's a fair amount of memory in total but I doubt anybody wants 16
or 32Mb sticks. All the hard drives were pulled.
I'm not short of disk at the moment, so unless they're exceptional
somehow, disk doesn't count for me; I've got some 20 drives sitting
idle right now. (Most of them are fairly small - ?G, 1G - and some
of them are those noisy 2G Seagate Barracudas, but still.)
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