On 11/21/15 8:09 AM, Mark Green wrote: In the embedded space, Alcyon and Green Hills Metrowerks maybe. I'm more familiar with their CodeWarrior Mac product. They were bought out by Motorola.

On 11/21/15 9:29 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote: Arg, totally forgot to include the HP 64000 and Tek 8560 development systems though I'm blanking right now on if they did their own or sold third-party C compilers.

On 11/21/15 10:44 AM, Paul Koning wrote: It would have been impossible to use GCC on the 8560, it was a V7 PDP-11 Unix. The 64000 processor is pretty much the same as the HP 9845.

On 11/21/15 2:38 PM, Al Kossow wrote: In 1983 there was Alcyon on the 8560 :-) (woa. that was a long time ago) It only worked because they #ifdef'd out the floating point support. Split I&D on a pdp-11. Not much space. I'm not aware of any native TEK C compiler for 68k on the 8560. In 1987 gcc would compile to 68k quite well. Before that I seem to recall that there was also a C compiler from Standford, from sumex (wow - do I still have those brain cells?). Remember sumex-aim ? SumMacC. Anyway, I think the Kinetics fastpath was compiled with that and I could swear I was using it as a C compiler on a vax-11/750 running mt. xinu in mid 80's. Find someone from pixar - they were using it to compile Macintosh code. I don't know the lineage of that compiler, but I think it was a port of something older. There was also another C compiler we ran on the vax but I doubt I can remember who wrote it (was it Megamax C?). It was a top down recursive decent compiler with only a peephole optimizer, but it was "good enough". I think I shipped a product or two with its output. It had a native mac version but somehow we got them to port it to the vax since it was written in C (and OMG, all of the token values were hex values in the code - like 0x45 - no use of the preprocessor at all. made my hair catch fire. still, it worked. just don't try and edit it.) Oh, and the sun-2 showed up around 1984. That had it's own C compiler, naturally, but (oddly), I never used it as a cross compiler. I was too busy trying to keep the lisa profile disk going :-) Around that time the lisa was macintosh development environment. But the pain keeps me all I can say. slow as molasses. No one mentioned Apollo. Ok, their pascal compiler probably had more strength but I know there was a C compiler in there as well, certainly in the 1983-1985 time frame. and who could forget Bill Poduska? There was also that wacky company in cambridge which made a hybrid c-compiler/c-interpreter. It worked really well but it wasn't quite right. I loved the idea but never bought one. That was around 1988, 1989? I always hoped to find the source code for that. I think gcc was the standard for 68k from 1987 on. Yes, greenhills, but it's not clear it produced better code and it was really expensive. Ask anyone at cisco or wellfleet what they used. And trust me, they were worried about code size and code speed. lol. I remember trying to route at "wirespeed" using 10baseT. Makes me laugh now. -brad

Brad Parker wrote: Perhaps originally.... But when the FastPath code arrived at Shiva it was using the SunOS 4 native compiler on Sun3. I moved it to gcc on Sun4. The 6/88 KIP release has CC=/usr/stanford/bin/cc68 Rutgers KIP c. 1989 used gcc Saber-C? It became "Code Center" by Centerline. Steve Kauffer kept it going while working on startups (TripAdvisor being the successful one). It ended up at ICS.COM: https://motif.ics.com/products/codecenter ISTR some product of that ilk that read and patched object code and only worked on RISC platforms... I never dealt with that many 68K compilers. I remember a whole slew of problematic compilers and debuggers on 32x32 (Encore) and ROMP (IBM PC/RT). At least of them couldn't handle cfront output and/or "Duff's Device" phil

On 11/25/15 8:46 AM, Brad Parker wrote: SumMacC was based on MIT/LCS/Terman's port of pcc for the NuMachine project. I thought I had the sources, but all I've been able to turn up is the MIT compiler collection tape with a bunch of obscure pcc ports.