21 Aug
2000
21 Aug
'00
6:51 a.m.
How about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for
trade/sale/free at the VCF
I'll start right here:
-pocket computers
-programmable calculators
-beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to pay
up this VCF.)
-laptops
-software and accessories for the above
-MSX machines
-European models (Amstrad, Oric, Sinclair....)
Keep on adding.
Thanks
Francois
21 Aug
21 Aug
6:13 a.m.
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, FBA wrote:
How about starting a request list of stuff we're
hoping to find for
trade/sale/free at the VCF
I'll start right here:
-pocket computers
-programmable calculators
-beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to pay
up this VCF.)
-laptops
-software and accessories for the above
-MSX machines
-European models (Amstrad, Oric, Sinclair....)
I know for sure that so far there will be at least 10 complete Apple //e
systems, 4 with Duodrives, 4 with color monitors, 2 with Imagewriter
printers. CHEAP! (less than $50 with prices dropping as time goes on)
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking for a six in a pile of nines...
VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1
San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California
See http://www.vintage.org for details!
7:25 a.m.
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How about starting a request list of stuff we're
hoping to find for
trade/sale/free at the VCF
I'll start right here:
-pocket computers
YES YES YES YES YES!
-programmable calculators
-beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to pay
up this VCF.)
Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better.
Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as a fountain
drink, at least here in So. Cal.
-laptops
-software and accessories for the above
-MSX machines
-European models (Amstrad, Oric, Sinclair....)
I'd love to get my hands on more Timex/Sinclair stuff. Looking in particular
for a 2068.
Also, someone PLEASE be selling M100 RAM modules there -- my 8201A needs a
brain upgrade.
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7:56 a.m.
On 21 Aug 2000, at 12:25, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb
even better.
Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as a
fountain drink, at least here in So. Cal.
It does in the stores here in Texas. I prefer the DP but gave it up
recently.
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12:33 p.m.
Do you mean
YES YES YES YES YES! I'll bring some or
YES YES YES YES YES! I want some?
Francois
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From: "Cameron Kaiser" <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: VCF Requests
fountain
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pay
How about starting a request list of stuff
we're hoping to find for
trade/sale/free at the VCF
I'll start right here:
-pocket computers
YES YES YES YES YES!
> -programmable calculators
> -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to
up this VCF.)
Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better.
Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as a drink, at least here in So. Cal.
particular
-laptops
-software and accessories for the above
-MSX machines
-European models (Amstrad, Oric, Sinclair....)
I'd love to get my hands on more Timex/Sinclair stuff. Looking in for a 2068.
Also, someone PLEASE be selling M100 RAM modules there -- my 8201A needs a
brain upgrade.
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http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ --
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ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu
-- TODAY'S DUMB TRUE HEADLINE: Enfield Couple
Slain; Police Suspect
Homicide --
1:14 p.m.
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Do you mean
YES YES YES YES YES! I'll bring some or
YES YES YES YES YES! I want some?
YES YES YES YES YES! I want some!
Particularly the PC-6 -- I'm very curious about that one. I wasn't too
impressed with the PC-2, but I love my PC-4.
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2:48 p.m.
Yes the PC-4 was a casio PB-100 relabelled for tandy. My first pocket
computer was a PB-100, I bought it when I went to college and didn't have a
TV to plug my ZX 81 into. I loved that thing; had to sell it to eat...
Francois
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From: "Cameron Kaiser" <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: VCF Requests
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Do you mean
YES YES YES YES YES! I'll bring some or
YES YES YES YES YES! I want some?
YES YES YES YES YES! I want some!
Particularly the PC-6 -- I'm very curious about that one. I wasn't too
impressed with the PC-2, but I love my PC-4.
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22 Aug
22 Aug
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7:57 a.m.
The PC6 was a disapointment :-(. It's a Casio
clone, of course (I forget
which model). It's got the same BASIC (essentially) as the PC4, with the
same 10 'program areas' and common variables for all programs. It does
have more memory (8K IIRC).
The 'assembler' is a cheat!. It's not an assembler for the PC6's CPU,
it's an assembler for a mythical 16 bit CPU. There's also a simulator for
said CPU in the machine so you can run your 'assembly language' programs.
But it's pretty limited in what it can do, and you certainly can't access
hardware features of the PC6.
Well, heck, that *does* suck. I take it back. What does the "assembly
language" look like, though, just for laughs?
The PC2 on the other hand (Sharp PC1500 almost-clone)
is a very nice
machine. A decent 8-bit CPU (similar-ish to the Z80, it's a custom Sharp
chip called an LH5801). A proper expansion bus (16 bit address, 8 bit
data, etc). PEEK, POKE, CALL in the BASIC so you can load machine code
programs (real machine code for the LH5801) and run them. An optional
RS232 interface, etc. Incidentally, the Sharp interface is
RS232/Cetronics, the Tandy one is RS232 only. The only difference is that
Tandy missed out the 3rd circuit board containing the buffers for the
Centronics port -- the I/O chip (LH5811) and ROM code to drive it are
there. The little 4 colour plotter is fun too :-)
I had nothing but trouble with them. The first one I got, the plotter's
range of movement was an imperceptible twitch. Since you can't get the
rechargeable batteries anymore (what a dumb design -- why not just have
it directly driven off a wall-wart or a proper battery pack?), I tried
jury-rigging my own with one matching the specs from, of course, Rat Shack.
I got the printhead to move a whole line and *then* go back to twitching.
The second one I had was actually a Sharp PC1510? (I think) and it quit
working after two days!
To be fair, neither came with a manual, so I didn't know about the
advanced features. At that point the only Tandy Pocket Computer I had
personally owned was my trusty PC-4.
The thing I really liked about the PC-4, and missed on the PC-2, was the
segmented program space. Only having one big program on the -2 was annoying.
Too bad the PC-4 has a max RAM size of 1,568 bytes, but it's impressively
economical with it. I was using it last year to do concentration gradient
calculations in the bio lab when I was doing research, a facility in
which it did admirably, and still had enough space to do atomic weights and
a game of blackjack. :-)
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25 Aug
25 Aug
9:18 a.m.
> Particularly the PC-6 -- I'm very curious
about that one. I wasn't too
> impressed with the PC-2, but I love my PC-4.
The PC6 was a disapointment :-(. It's a Casio
clone, of course (I forget
which model). It's got the same BASIC (essentially) as the PC4, with the
same 10 'program areas' and common variables for all programs. It does
have more memory (8K IIRC).
PB 1000 ?
The 'assembler' is a cheat!. It's not an
assembler for the PC6's CPU,
it's an assembler for a mythical 16 bit CPU. There's also a simulator for
said CPU in the machine so you can run your 'assembly language' programs.
But it's pretty limited in what it can do, and you certainly can't access
hardware features of the PC6.
Well, as you prefer - I thought of the assembler as quite nice
tool to write programs with faster execution than in basic,
and you could access (most?) hardware - I did some nice graphic
games with it, impossible in basic.
Also, when is an assembler real ? Maybe with an exeptinon of
early PDP8s, where the coding did realy trigger the hardware
parts, Assm is almost always just an abstraction layer one or
two layers above the real gates. In some architectures real
implementations are an exeption...
Gruss
H.
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28 Aug
11:49 p.m.
> > The PC6 was a disapointment :-(. It's a
Casio clone, of course (I forget
> > which model). It's got the same BASIC (essentially) as the PC4, with the
> > same 10 'program areas' and common variables for all programs. It does
> > have more memory (8K IIRC).
> PB 1000 ?
No idea. I don't bother too much with Casio
machines...
It's a black clamshell case, hinged along the back
edge (a bit like most
palmtops, e.g. the HP95LX, etc). The upper part has a 1-line alphanumeric
LCD and a 3 row membrane keyboard, containing the letters (it's
essentially QWERTY layout) and some special keys.
The lower part has the numeric keypad,
'calculator' function keys (SIN,
LN, etc) and the power swtich (a slide switch at the far left).
I belive it is the PB1000 model
> > The 'assembler' is a cheat!.
It's not an assembler for the PC6's CPU,
> > it's an assembler for a mythical 16 bit CPU. There's also a simulator
for
> > said CPU in the machine so you can run your 'assembly language'
programs.
> > But it's pretty limited in what it can do, and you certainly can't
access
> > hardware features of the PC6.
> Well, as you prefer - I thought of the assembler
as quite nice
> tool to write programs with faster execution than in basic,
> and you could access (most?) hardware - I did some nice graphic
> games with it, impossible in basic.
That's exactly the point. The main use of assembly
language (especially
on these small machines) is to allow you to do things that you can't do
from BASIC (display non-standard characters, detect multiple keys down at
the same time, have key down and key up 'events', toggle I/O port lines,
control individual dots on the display, etc, etc) or to do things faster
than BASIC would allow.
Now, this 'assembler' didn't do any of
that. It was slow. As slow as
BASIC IIRC. And the _only_ I/O was to input a value to one of the 4 GR
registers (either in decimal or hex) or to display one of the GR
registers in decimal or hex, in a predermined format (it was something
like 'GR0(10)=1234'). Not even the ability to output a string of characters.
Maybe I useda wrong wording here, I _did_ a graphics game on the
Casio using the assembler - and it was quite faster than the
same game in BASIC.
And, of course, no access to the real machine's
hardware.
Depends how to define access.
> Also, when is an assembler real ? Maybe with an
exeptinon of
> early PDP8s, where the coding did realy trigger the hardware
Hmmmm.... I've never had any problems visualising
what a given assembly
language instruction does to the real machine, at least not at the level
of the lowest available documentation.
In other words, if I have the gate-level scheamtics
and the microcode
flows (if appropriate), then I can work out what an instruction does to
each gate in the CPU. If it's a micro, well, I can work out what will
appear on the buses, and thus what the rest of the hardware will do. Etc.
And given the same documentation you can do it for the Assembler
instructions in here ... the difference between a 'real' assm
code interpreted by some micro code, and a the Casio ting, run
by a interpreter written in 'real' assm is non existent the
behavior is determistic in both ways. Even when you consider
that you may now have 3 levels (Hardware/Real/Pseudo) is not
uncommon, there have been microprocessors with 2 build in
levels of interpretation The 'real' assm code was run by
microcode, where some microcode instructions itself did use
'nano'code to perform. Of course you may name it as some
special kind of sub function code - bust still you may use
the same abstractions on any scheme (like the Casio).
Gruss
H.
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11:49 p.m.
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BTW: who is inserting this rubbish ?
> How about starting a request list of stuff
we're hoping to find for
> trade/sale/free at the VCF
> -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to pay
> up this VCF.)
Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb
even better.
Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to
only exist as a fountain
drink, at least here in So. Cal.
Well, I agree for the Beer part, but what the
heck you are talking about ?
Also, someone PLEASE be selling M100 RAM modules there
-- my 8201A needs a
brain upgrade.
don't they accept plain 6116/6264 ?
Gruss
H.
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http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
29 Aug
29 Aug
1:40 a.m.
Also, someone
PLEASE be selling M100 RAM modules there -- my 8201A needs a
brain upgrade.
don't they accept plain 6116/6264 ? 
2:35 a.m.
Hans Franke wrote:
Actually I think the M100 does accept one of those but the 8201A doesn't.
It needs a different set of modules. One of these days I'm going to sit
down and just adapt a 512K chip to it and be done with it.
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Also, someone
PLEASE be selling M100 RAM modules there -- my 8201A needs a
brain upgrade.
don't they accept plain 6116/6264 ? 
5:17 a.m.
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Hans Franke wrote:
Classic Coke and Cherry Coke... In grand quantities!
-jim
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> How about starting a request list of stuff
we're hoping to find for
> trade/sale/free at the VCF
> -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to pay
> up this VCF.)
Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr.
Pibb even better.
Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems
to only exist as a fountain
drink, at least here in So. Cal.
Well, I agree for the Beer part, but what the
heck you are talking about ?
5:53 a.m.
> > > How about starting a request list of
stuff we're hoping to find for
> > > trade/sale/free at the VCF
> > > -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance
> > > to pay up this VCF.)
> > Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon.
Mr. Pibb even better.
> > Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as a
> > fountain drink, at least here in So. Cal.
> Well, I agree for the Beer part, but what the
> heck you are talking about ?
Classic Coke and Cherry Coke... In grand quantities!
Blasphemy. :-P
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7:42 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: VCF Soft Drink Requests
> How about
starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for
> trade/sale/free at the VCF
> -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance
> to pay up this VCF.)
Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better.
Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as a
fountain drink, at least here in So. Cal.
Well, I agree for the Beer part, but
what the
heck you are talking about ?
8:36 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: VCF Soft Drink Requests
> > How
about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for
> > trade/sale/free at the VCF
> > -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance
> > to pay up this VCF.)
> Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better.
> Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as a
> fountain drink, at least here in So. Cal.
Well, I agree for the Beer part, but what the
heck you are talking about ?
Classic Coke and Cherry Coke... In grand quantities!
5:19 a.m.
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