21 Sep
2015
21 Sep
'15
9:15 a.m.
From: tony duell
In some cases it should be possible to write a machine
code program
that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton sets.
I have this bit set that I was told (or something, the memory is _very_
vague) that early versions of the KL-10 had this hack; the root block on the
disk was the boot block both the PDP-10 and the PDP-11 front end machine, and
the first instruction or two was very cleverly construced and sent the two
machines different ways. Alas, I looked in the front-end PDP-11 code (in the
KLDCP; directory) and saw no signs of this, so maybe it was an urban legend?
Noel
21 Sep
21 Sep
9:17 a.m.
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 09:15:13AM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Perhaps you are thinking of the 1984 ioccc winner:
http://www.ioccc.org/1984/mullender.c
http://www.ioccc.org/1984/mullender.hint
/P
From: tony
duell
In some cases it should be possible to write a
machine code program
that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton sets.
I have this bit set that I was told (or something, the memory is _very_
vague) that early versions of the KL-10 had this hack; the root block on the
disk was the boot block both the PDP-10 and the PDP-11 front end machine, and
the first instruction or two was very cleverly construced and sent the two
machines different ways. Alas, I looked in the front-end PDP-11 code (in the
KLDCP; directory) and saw no signs of this, so maybe it was an urban legend?
Noel 
10:31 a.m.
On 2015-09-21 15:15, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I suspect that would be an urband legend, as the KL10 is booted by the
PDP-11, and does not, on its own, start reading something from the disk
to start executing. Or at least that is how I remember things...
However, the PDP-11 FE filesystem exists, as a plain file, in the
PDP-10s file system (TOPS-10 or Tops-20).
Johnny
From: tony
duell
In some cases it should be possible to write a
machine code program
that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton sets.
I have this bit set that I was told (or something, the memory is _very_
vague) that early versions of the KL-10 had this hack; the root block on the
disk was the boot block both the PDP-10 and the PDP-11 front end machine, and
the first instruction or two was very cleverly construced and sent the two
machines different ways. Alas, I looked in the front-end PDP-11 code (in the
KLDCP; directory) and saw no signs of this, so maybe it was an urban legend? 
23 Sep
23 Sep
7:15 p.m.
On 21/09/15 14:15, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I can't find a definitive reference right now, but I *think* that the
ODS-1 disk format
was first used on the PDP-11 and then later used in early versions of
VMS. I *think*
that it was arranged such that a PDP-11 booting and a VMS system booting
could
be done from the same disk by arranging for each to interpret the boot
block in
a way that each was happy with.
Antonio
arcarlini at iee.org
From: tony
duell
In some cases it should be possible to write a
machine code program
that executes on 2 processors with wildly different instruciton sets.
I have this bit set that I was told (or something, the memory is _very_
vague) that early versions of the KL-10 had this hack; the root block on the
disk was the boot block both the PDP-10 and the PDP-11 front end machine, and
the first instruction or two was very cleverly construced and sent the two
machines different ways. Alas, I looked in the front-end PDP-11 code (in the
KLDCP; directory) and saw no signs of this, so maybe it was an urban legend?
8:36 p.m.
On 2015-09-24 01:15, Antonio Carlini wrote:
On 21/09/15 14:15, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I can't find a definitive reference right now, but I *think* that the
ODS-1 disk format
was first used on the PDP-11 and then later used in early versions of
VMS. I *think*
that it was arranged such that a PDP-11 booting and a VMS system booting
could
be done from the same disk by arranging for each to interpret the boot
block in
a way that each was happy with.
I think that is incorrect, since early VMS didn't havea boot block. The
VAX-11/780 was always booted from the PDP-11, and it started with VMB.
VMB was gotten from the FE, and VMB in turn understood the file system.
It wasn't until the VAX-11/750 that DEC did a VAX that used boot blocks.
And then, of course, the boot block is just the first block(s) on the
disk. Don't matter what file system you might have...
Johnny
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From:
tony duell
In some cases it should be possible to write a
machine code
program
that executes on 2 processors with wildly
different instruciton
sets.
I have this bit set that I was told (or something, the memory is _very_
vague) that early versions of the KL-10 had this hack; the root block
on the
disk was the boot block both the PDP-10 and the PDP-11 front end
machine, and
the first instruction or two was very cleverly construced and sent the
two
machines different ways. Alas, I looked in the front-end PDP-11 code
(in the
KLDCP; directory) and saw no signs of this, so maybe it was an urban
legend?
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