5 Aug
2001
5 Aug
'01
10:59 p.m.
A couple days back, there was talk of using PC systems with MCA busses
to
identify and test commercial cards (AS/400, etc). I've got a few, IBM
PS/2
model 76S. They're cheesy DX2-66, but they're tested and running well
under OS/2. Was going to use them as a test cluster, but my source of
cheap
MCA periph dried up. They come with 500M SCSI drives and either 4x slot
load CDROMs or 16x drives I have left over from some AS/400 I scrapped.
If you'd like one for testing, free to good home for those that live in
MI and
cost of shipping to those that ain't.
6 Aug
6 Aug
8:22 a.m.
I wouldn't call a 9576 "Cheesy". They're really nice machines. PS/2s
are
some of the best-built (and heaviest) PCs ever built.
Peace... Sridhar
On Sun, 5 Aug 2001, Jim Tuck wrote:
A couple days back, there was talk of using PC systems
with MCA busses
to
identify and test commercial cards (AS/400, etc). I've got a few, IBM
PS/2
model 76S. They're cheesy DX2-66, but they're tested and running well
under OS/2. Was going to use them as a test cluster, but my source of
cheap
MCA periph dried up. They come with 500M SCSI drives and either 4x slot
load CDROMs or 16x drives I have left over from some AS/400 I scrapped.
If you'd like one for testing, free to good home for those that live in
MI and
cost of shipping to those that ain't.
11:07 a.m.
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:22:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Master of all that Sucks <vance(a)ikickass.org>
To: Jim Tuck <technos(a)nerdland.org>
Cc: "Classiccmp (E-mail)" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: MCA systems
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
I wouldn't call a 9576 "Cheesy". They're really nice machines. PS/2s
are
some of the best-built (and heaviest) PCs ever built.
Peace... Sridhar
True.
Only time I ever come across minimum low-end and heavy was model 35.
25lbs just in chassis and cover, floppy tray (good 1lb itself
without floppy drive itself), PSU.
I've P75 and Model 70-Axx, three days ago, came across storage
expansion box (based on stripped 95xx tower and refitted with 7 drive
bays (2 or 3 of them is for 5.25" FH) no drives and still weighs
like 30lbs. all of them except 70 and P75 (mostly plastic) are thick
gauge steel and PSUs which are very HEAVY.
But other items that made the P7x heavy were in display panel,
PSU (IBM tried to lighten it unsucessfully by using tin sheets
wrapped around plastic chassis to keep PSU in shape, fault is using
copper heatsinks and heavy transformers. Completely stipped
P7x shell weighs about 3 to 4lbs.
With care IBM can make strong machines with less steel and less
massive PSUs, besides they have knowledge already. They should talk
to apple who designed quality plastic boxens in past.
Cheers,
Wizard
4:26 p.m.
But you can't run over a G4 with a truck. I once ran over a 9595 with a
1979 Dodge Power Ram with a three-axle conversion and a Cummins
engine. Didn't even crash the disks.
Peace... Sridhar
On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
Only time I ever come across minimum low-end and heavy
was model 35.
25lbs just in chassis and cover, floppy tray (good 1lb itself
without floppy drive itself), PSU.
I've P75 and Model 70-Axx, three days ago, came across storage
expansion box (based on stripped 95xx tower and refitted with 7 drive
bays (2 or 3 of them is for 5.25" FH) no drives and still weighs
like 30lbs. all of them except 70 and P75 (mostly plastic) are thick
gauge steel and PSUs which are very HEAVY.
But other items that made the P7x heavy were in display panel,
PSU (IBM tried to lighten it unsucessfully by using tin sheets
wrapped around plastic chassis to keep PSU in shape, fault is using
copper heatsinks and heavy transformers. Completely stipped
P7x shell weighs about 3 to 4lbs.
With care IBM can make strong machines with less steel and less
massive PSUs, besides they have knowledge already. They should talk
to apple who designed quality plastic boxens in past.
Cheers,
Wizard
12:44 p.m.
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:26:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Master of all that Sucks <vance(a)ikickass.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: MCA systems
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
But you can't run over a G4 with a truck. I once ran over a 9595 with a
1979 Dodge Power Ram with a three-axle conversion and a Cummins
engine. Didn't even crash the disks.
Remarkable.
Meaning this is where that machines even 95xx is not meant to be out
there like this. Outside enviroment will do number on steel and
hard drives when wet.
Please tell this story because running over that 9595 is a quite a
accident or on purpose?
Just good design case shouldn't have to be heavy and useful indoors.
If needs toughness and weatherproofing, has to be industial chassis.
Cheers,
Wizard
Peace... Sridhar
On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
6:27 p.m.
Heavy is putting it lightly on the 9595's - my 9595-OPT has a 4.3 3.5" boot
drive and two seagate FH 5.25" 9 gb drives besides the 1.2mb floppy and the
included 2.88 3.5" floppy and all the cards that go in it, including 2
ethernet cards, XGA-2 card, 2 SCSI/2 F/W controllers, etc. It's a hernia in
the making.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of jpero(a)sympatico.ca
-> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:44 PM
-> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> Subject: Re: MCA systems
->
->
-> > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:26:41 -0400 (EDT)
-> > From: Master of all that Sucks <vance(a)ikickass.org>
-> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> > Subject: Re: MCA systems
-> > Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
->
-> >
-> > But you can't run over a G4 with a truck. I once ran over a
-> 9595 with a
-> > 1979 Dodge Power Ram with a three-axle conversion and a Cummins
-> > engine. Didn't even crash the disks.
->
-> Remarkable.
->
-> Meaning this is where that machines even 95xx is not meant to be out
-> there like this. Outside enviroment will do number on steel and
-> hard drives when wet.
->
-> Please tell this story because running over that 9595 is a quite a
-> accident or on purpose?
->
-> Just good design case shouldn't have to be heavy and useful indoors.
->
-> If needs toughness and weatherproofing, has to be industial chassis.
->
-> Cheers,
->
-> Wizard
->
-> >
-> > Peace... Sridhar
-> >
-> > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
-> >
->
->
8:39 p.m.
Russ Blakeman skrev:
Heavy is putting it lightly on the 9595's - my
9595-OPT has a 4.3 3.5" boot
drive and two seagate FH 5.25" 9 gb drives besides the 1.2mb floppy and the
included 2.88 3.5" floppy and all the cards that go in it, including 2
ethernet cards, XGA-2 card, 2 SCSI/2 F/W controllers, etc. It's a hernia in
the making.
My 8595 has got a yellow warning label in the back stating that it weighs 18
kg+. I wonder if that's before or after adding full-height drives (only one in
mine =).
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
Age is a high price to pay for maturity.
7:15 p.m.
Just good design case shouldn't have to be heavy
and useful indoors.
If needs toughness and weatherproofing, has to be industial chassis.
Even a lot of the non-IBM systems I've seen have had really
solid cases but it does certainly hold true for the true blue IBM
machines as well. As you know, even the P70 has a pretty solid case.
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
11:19 p.m.
But you
can't run over a G4 with a truck. I once ran over a 9595 with a
1979 Dodge Power Ram with a three-axle conversion and a Cummins
engine. Didn't even crash the disks.
Remarkable. Meaning this is where that machines even 95xx is not
meant to be out
there like this. Outside enviroment will do number on steel and
hard drives when wet.
This was sitting on my driveway temporarily. No exposure to weather. I
have a feeling that even short exposure to weather wouldn't make much of a
difference, if the machine were cleaned before it rusted.
Please tell this story because running over that 9595
is a quite a
accident or on purpose?
It was quite by accident. I ran it over with the outer wheel. I thought
I was running over a rock.
Just good design case shouldn't have to be heavy
and useful indoors.
It's light enough for me to carry, and I am a small man.
If needs toughness and weatherproofing, has to be
industial chassis.
The PS/2 series was designed to be operated in hotter and dustier
environments than other PCs. Look at the ratings. Remarkable.
Peace... Sridhar
4:34 p.m.
I once (just to prove it could be done) held my 1990 Toyota Camry Sedan up
on six PS/2 model 80s.
Peace... Sridhar
On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Geoff Reed wrote:
In case of Earthquake, snuggle up to the side of your
PS/2 Full towers
:) they'll practically hold a building up...
At 09:22 AM 8/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
I wouldn't call a 9576 "Cheesy".
They're really nice machines. PS/2s are
some of the best-built (and heaviest) PCs ever built.
4:47 p.m.
They do pretty well at supporting a solid core door for a temp table too.
Not bad for a plastic material.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Geoff Reed
-> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:16 PM
-> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> Subject: Re: MCA systems
->
->
-> In case of Earthquake, snuggle up to the side of your PS/2 Full towers
-> :) they'll practically hold a building up...
->
->
-> At 09:22 AM 8/6/01 -0400, you wrote:
->
-> >I wouldn't call a 9576 "Cheesy". They're really nice
machines.
-> PS/2s are
-> >some of the best-built (and heaviest) PCs ever built.
->
->
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