20 Apr
2017
20 Apr
'17
5:09 p.m.
A FAQ in my old emails show the founding of the Classiccmp mailing list as being 20 years
and 1 month ago. March 13 1997 was when Bill Whitson first set up the classiccmp list at
the University of Washington.
Tim N3QE
Sent from my VAX-11/780
20 Apr
20 Apr
9:29 p.m.
On Apr 20, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
A FAQ in my old emails show the founding of the Classiccmp mailing list as being 20 years
and 1 month ago. March 13 1997 was when Bill Whitson first set up the classiccmp list at
the University of Washington.
Tim N3QE
Sent from my VAX-11/780
That means I?ve been on this list for just short of 20 years. I think its safe to say
that a list dedicated to computer history, forgot its own history.
Zane
10:12 p.m.
wow what?
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Apr 20,
2017, at 2:09 PM, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
A FAQ in my old emails show the founding of the Classiccmp mailing list
as being
20 years and 1 month ago. March 13 1997 was when Bill Whitson
first set up the classiccmp list at the University of Washington.
Tim N3QE
Sent from my VAX-11/780
That means I?ve been on this list for just short of 20 years. I think its
safe to say that a list dedicated to computer history, forgot its own
history.
Zane
21 Apr
21 Apr
10:34 a.m.
Zane wrote...
-----
I think it's safe to say that a list dedicated to computer history, forgot its own
history.
-----
I beg to disagree with the premise. Yes, there are quite a few people here that focus on
the history and historical aspects of the hobby. But that doesn't mean the list is
"dedicated to computer history". It's a significant component, but many are
here just for the love of the old machines, the knowledge that is present, electronics,
software design, etc.
And yes, many are here just for the relationships and comradery that has developed over
decades of the lists existence.
But that being said... we should have had a party or something *grin*.
J
10:40 a.m.
On Fri, 21 Apr 2017, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
And yes, many are here just for the relationships and
comradery that has developed over decades of the lists existence.
But that being said... we should have had a party or something *grin*.
We could have the party at VCF MW in September. :-)
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
10:42 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 09:34:52AM -0500, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
But that being said... we should have had a party or something *grin*.
You could argue that years are index starting from zero. Thus the
20-year celebration is next year and we have ample time to prepare.
(It's what we did when we missed an anniversery for the computer science
programme).
/P
10:46 a.m.
Pontus wrote...
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You could argue that years are index starting from zero. Thus the 20-year
celebration is next year and we have ample time to prepare.
-----
That's a hilariously great idea for the rationalization and justification
department *grin*
J
10:54 a.m.
I am living proof that a good Fortran Programmer can write spaghetti code in any
language.
Fortran by default starts all of its array indices at 1 so I would argue that we are now
in year 21. A C programmer would disagree.
Tim N3QE
Sent from my VAX-11/780
On Apr 21, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Jay West <jwest at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
Pontus wrote...
-----
You could argue that years are index starting from zero. Thus the 20-year
celebration is next year and we have ample time to prepare.
-----
That's a hilariously great idea for the rationalization and justification
department *grin*
J
12:18 p.m.
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 09:34:52AM -0500, Jay West via
cctalk wrote:
At least in the UK it is tradition to celebrate a person's 21st birthday
(coming of age and all that). So perhaps the same applies to mailing
lists :-)
Somewhere I have a 21st birthday card that a certain classic computer
enthiast (now alas passed away) sent, not to me, but to my PDP11/45...
-tony
But that being said... we should have had a party or something *grin*.
You could argue that years are index starting from zero. Thus the
20-year celebration is next year and we have ample time to prepare.
(It's what we did when we missed an anniversery for the computer science
programme). 
12:36 p.m.
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 05:18:03PM +0100, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Pontus Pihlgren via
cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
To be fair, while we may have missed the 020th and 20th anniversaries,
we're well ahead of the 0x20th anniversary.
So --- what base are we using?
--
Thomas L. Kula | kula at tproa.net | http://kula.tproa.net/
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 09:34:52AM -0500, Jay
West via cctalk wrote:
At least in the UK it is tradition to celebrate a person's 21st birthday
(coming of age and all that). So perhaps the same applies to mailing
lists :-)
Somewhere I have a 21st birthday card that a certain classic computer
enthiast (now alas passed away) sent, not to me, but to my PDP11/45...
But that being said... we should have had a party or something *grin*.
You could argue that years are index starting from zero. Thus the
20-year celebration is next year and we have ample time to prepare.
(It's what we did when we missed an anniversery for the computer science
programme).
12:40 p.m.
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Thomas Kula via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
To be fair, while we may have missed the 020th and
20th anniversaries,
we're well ahead of the 0x20th anniversary.
So --- what base are we using?
Or what about celebrating 8192 days of the list, which I think
is a little over 22 (base 10) years.
-tony
1:33 p.m.
Oldest mailing lists prolly held by snail mail type groups. That evovled
into the digital age
On Apr 21, 2017 11:40 AM, "Tony Duell via cctalk" <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Thomas Kula via
cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
To be fair, while we may have missed the 020th
and 20th anniversaries,
we're well ahead of the 0x20th anniversary.
So --- what base are we using?
Or what about celebrating 8192 days of the list, which I think
is a little over 22 (base 10) years.
-tony
1:26 a.m.
Congratulations to us all, even if a little late.
It makes me wonder, what is the oldest still running mailinglist?
/P
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 09:09:01PM +0000, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk wrote:
A FAQ in my old emails show the founding of the
Classiccmp mailing list as being 20 years and 1 month ago. March 13 1997 was when Bill
Whitson first set up the classiccmp list at the University of Washington.
Tim N3QE
Sent from my VAX-11/780
7:27 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Congratulations to us all, even if a little late.
It makes me wonder, what is the oldest still running mailinglist?
Still running, or still getting on-topic posts to it?
--
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen
7:40 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 01:27:09PM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Pontus Pihlgren via
cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
"Active"
I suppose there are more than one consumed by spam.
/P
Congratulations to us all, even if a little
late.
It makes me wonder, what is the oldest still running mailinglist?
Still running, or still getting on-topic posts to it? 
8:09 a.m.
________________________________________
From: cctalk [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] on behalf of Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk
[cctalk at classiccmp.org]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 7:27 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Did we miss the 20th anniversary of classiccmp?
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Congratulations to us all, even if a little late.
It makes me wonder, what is the oldest still running mailinglist?
Still running, or still getting on-topic posts to it?
____________________________________
Wha about the VMS Mailing List?
bill
8:45 a.m.
On Apr 21, 2017, at 1:26 AM, Pontus Pihlgren via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Congratulations to us all, even if a little late.
It makes me wonder, what is the oldest still running mailinglist?
Don't know about *the* oldest, but one that's quite old and still very active is
the TZ mailing list (about timezone rules and their ongoing changes). This is the list
that collects and distributes the data that keeps clocks worldwide showing the correct
local time, at least when politicians give more than a few days' notice of a change.
The first message on that list is from Arthur Olson, Mon, 24 Nov 86 19:58:12 EST. Though
retired now he still occasionally contributes.
paul
6:37 p.m.
Telecom digest has been running since 1981.
I don't know if any of the Amateur Press Associations (APAs)
made the leap to digital, but an APA is fundamentally a digest
email list done with a copier/mimeograph/hectograph and the postal
service as the transport layer, and there's at least one active
one that's 80 years old.
Paul Koning via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> writes:
On Apr 21,
2017, at 1:26 AM, Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Congratulations to us all, even if a little late.
It makes me wonder, what is the oldest still running mailinglist?
Don't know about *the* oldest, but one that's quite old and still very active is
the TZ mailing list (about timezone rules and their ongoing changes). This is the list
that collects and distributes the data that keeps clocks worldwide showing the correct
local time, at least when politicians give more than a few days' notice of a change.
The first message on that list is from Arthur Olson, Mon, 24 Nov 86 19:58:12 EST. Though
retired now he still occasionally contributes.
paul
10:55 a.m.
On Apr 20, 2017, at 10:26 PM, Pontus Pihlgren via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
It makes me wonder, what is the oldest still running mailinglist?
Part of the question I?d have, is do you mean on the Internet the whole time?
I?m on one for photography that started out life on Fidonet, moved to the Internet, and
while it still has the maillist, is now sadly, mainly a Facebook group.
I know of a couple Role Playing Game lists that are definitely older than this list. The
one started in the early 90?s, on the Internet, the other in the 80?s on GEnie.
These are simply examples I?m aware of. It would also be interesting to know how many
have evolved into either Facebook or Google groups.
Zane
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