I just happened to spot this on eBay while looking at something else. A VAX 4000-108, in other words a VAX that looks like a DEC Alpha PWS. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130141799752 ELI only wants $8.5k for it, while they will see you a nice DS20E dual 667Mhz system for $2.3k, even an ES45 with dual 1Ghz CPU's is cheaper. :^) At the same time this is the first photograph I've ever seen of one of these systems. Somewhere I have the golden egg describing it. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |